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Cotton_Eye_Joe
04/17/23 7:46:40 PM
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They should've only used Disney villains

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TheSavageDragon
04/17/23 7:47:32 PM
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Nah, Billy Zane's Ansem was awesome incarnate.
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PowerOats
04/17/23 7:47:56 PM
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Don't you p much fight 3 versions of the same guy across KH 1-3?
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Zikten
04/17/23 7:49:00 PM
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I have long felt that the only Squaresoft characters should have been Sora, his girlfriend and that grey haired boy

Everything else should have been pureDisney. I only played 1. But I did watch a lets play of 2 and the organization 13 stuff is stupid
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Hambo
04/17/23 7:49:52 PM
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It is a shame that Disney villains got such a downgrade in the rest of the games. Maleficent is still scurrying about, but she's practically just comic relief compared to Xehanort and Xehanort and Xehanort and...

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TheSavageDragon
04/17/23 7:50:53 PM
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PowerOats posted...
Don you p much fight 3 versions of the same guy across KH 1-3?

5 versions IIRC

Ansem
Xemnas
Xehanort
Young Xehanort
Xehanort in Terra's body

They really should have just stuck with the one
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DarkChozoGhost
04/17/23 7:51:07 PM
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PowerOats posted...
Don you p much fight 3 versions of the same guy across KH 1-3?

Not 3 versions, 13+ versions

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TheSavageDragon
04/17/23 7:52:11 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Not 3 versions, 13+ versions

Oh yeah, forgot about the Xehanort Squad
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PowerOats
04/17/23 8:31:42 PM
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TheSavageDragon posted...


5 versions IIRC

Ansem
Xemnas
Xehanort
Young Xehanort
Xehanort in Terra's body

They really should have just stuck with the one


It's so dumb, its like the main villain has alt accounts
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Kloe_Rinz
04/17/23 8:33:49 PM
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What was the difference between ansem and xehanort again
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Irony
04/17/23 8:36:51 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
What was the difference between ansem and xehanort again
One was a bearded scientist and the other was Leonard Nimoy until he was Christopher Lloyd

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TheSavageDragon
04/17/23 8:45:14 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
What was the difference between ansem and xehanort again

Ansem The Wise was a scientist researching Heartless and the hearts of worlds. Xehanort was an old Keyblade Master.
Xehanort stole Terra's body in Birth By Sleep, became Ansem's apprentice. Betrayed him, split himself in a Heartless called Ansem Seeker of Darkness (KH1 main villain) and Xemnas (KH2 main villain)
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Letsago
04/17/23 8:48:14 PM
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Ansem is one of my favorite fictional characters.

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Prestoff
04/17/23 8:57:23 PM
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Yeah seriously, when they revealed Heartless Ansem I was like, wtf did he come from? My older sister had to point out to me that he was the one in the cloak at the beginning of the game lol.

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Srk700
04/17/23 8:58:13 PM
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Funny thing is that Xehanort isn't the only characters with multiple versions of him.

There's like 5 Soras and 4 Kairis as well. Plus like 2 or 3 Rikus.
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VerisimiIitude
04/17/23 9:03:26 PM
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I dunno it was kind of obvious to me that Ansem in KH1 was going to wind up being the main baddy. After collecting his reports throughout the game. Perhaps a last minute addition but narrative-wise, Squaresoft did stuff like this before.

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Kloe_Rinz
04/17/23 9:03:36 PM
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wait who are the soras other than roxas and data sora
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Full_Pokedex
04/17/23 9:06:10 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
wait who are the soras other than roxas and data sora
Ven?

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Irony
04/17/23 9:07:57 PM
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Full_Pokedex posted...
Ven?
Technically Xion is Sora and Kairi

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Hambo
04/17/23 9:10:04 PM
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List of Soras:
Sora
Data Sora
Roxas
Xion
Vanitas
Namin

List of Rikus:
Riku
Riku Replica
Riku Replica Replica
Data Riku

List of Kairis:
Kairi
Namin
Xion

List of Xehanorts:
Everyone else, including some of the people listed above

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Rharyx211
04/18/23 8:09:15 PM
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Yeah, it felt pretty obvious that Ansem was a late-minute addition, but he was used effectively. I don't think Maleficent would've had quite the same oomph as the final boss. Especially since collecting the Ansem Reports should've had some building intrigue towards who this guy was.

But I do agree the Disney villains should've kept being relevant threats after the first game. In KH2, Maleficent and Pete just kinda bumble around enacting Naruto filler episodes, and then KH3 somehow makes them even less relevant than that -- to the point where if they were completely cut, the plot wouldn't change.

And after Birth by Sleep, most Disney worlds don't even have actual Disney villains as bosses anymore. It's just some giant Heartless/Unversed/Dream Eater/etc. Which is a real shame.

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