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GeraldDarko
03/29/23 8:02:28 AM
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Does the United States need to invest more in public transportation?




Does the United States need to invest more in public transportation?

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Prismsblade
03/29/23 8:10:14 AM
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No, It's really not that necessary or convenient in most places here.

Nevermind the money it'd cost that we don't have nor can print anymore at this point.

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Beveren_Rabbit
03/29/23 8:11:10 AM
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imagine being able to take a bus to work any time of the day.

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emblem-man
03/29/23 8:13:29 AM
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Oh definitely. We mainly need to learn to build faster and cheaper as well

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Antifar
03/29/23 8:14:34 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
No, It's really not that necessary
Only if you don't believe in climate change

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BlueTigerLion
03/29/23 8:19:27 AM
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Yes but it is too late. NIMBYs took over so that along with the huge costs mean it may never happen.

Im in NYC and there is supposed to be this thing called the 2nd avenue line that is being built well that got delayed.

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Psyloshsr
03/29/23 8:53:53 AM
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No, it doesn't work here on large scale. This isn't Europe where everything is right next to each other. Let the cities big enough to get use out of them fund it themselves.

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Beveren_Rabbit
03/29/23 9:06:29 AM
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people saying no are part of the problem. all because you don't use it , it doesn't mean it won't be useful to others.

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bluezero
03/29/23 9:08:47 AM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
people saying no are part of the problem. all because you don't use it , it doesn't mean it won't be useful to others.
So in winter when it's-50F wind chill, how far am I expected to walk to my job? A bus is not going to deliver me to my building.

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emblem-man
03/29/23 9:11:48 AM
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bluezero posted...
So in winter when it's-50F wind chill, how far am I expected to walk to my job? A bus is not going to deliver me to my building.

Feels like you missed the whole second sentence on their post.

Anyway, if there's an area where it truly doesn't make sense, then obviously don't do it. But if it makes sense, and it does in many places, then there should be investments into it.

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Questionmarktarius
03/29/23 10:14:01 AM
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The only "national" mass transit is Amtrak, and that's a disastrous moneyhole outside of the Boston-DC route.
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Krojen
03/29/23 10:18:19 AM
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Absolutely, but there's like only a small handful of politicians in the entire country that wouldn't actively fight against the idea.

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HBKick18
03/29/23 10:20:59 AM
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hell yea but it's an impossible problem to fix. our government only works when it comes to serving their rich masters and will grind to a halt when it comes to making our lives easier.

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Beveren_Rabbit
03/29/23 10:21:02 AM
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when I was doing interviews for my first job it always bothered me when employers asked me about my main mode of transportation. Employers wanted someone with a car and you can't get a car without a job. Better transportation would help so many people out.

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Questionmarktarius
03/29/23 10:22:58 AM
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In 'Merica, once there's a sense that any given public service is for "the poors", nobody else wants anything at all to do with it.
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asdf8562
03/29/23 10:24:16 AM
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Wouldn't go far as to say top priority given the other problems we are facing. But definitely should be investing way more than we are now.
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Beveren_Rabbit
03/29/23 10:25:28 AM
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Your car breaks down and you will go a few days without a car. With better public transportation you'd only be paying $4 for a day pass to get to and from work instead of paying $60+ for 2 uber rides.

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Questionmarktarius
03/29/23 10:28:59 AM
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Beveren_Rabbit posted...
With better public transportation you'd only be paying $4 for a day pass to get to and from work instead of paying $60+ for 2 uber rides.
Directly there and directly back is worth the 1500% markup over walking to the bus stop closest to your home (assuming there even is one), and then walking from the nearest bus stop to your workplace, then doing it in reverse at the end of the day (assuming the busses are still running then).
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BlueTigerLion
03/29/23 10:29:41 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
In 'Merica, once there's a sense that any given public service is for "the poors", nobody else wants anything at all to do with it.

A part of it is NIMBYs. They feel it would drive down their property values if a subway went through their neighborhood. Or dont want to deal with all that construction noise. Im in NYC and the unfortunate thing is a lot of the gentrification took place in areas near subway stations since it is the opposite. It is seen as a selling factor if you live close to the subway.

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averagejoel
03/29/23 10:44:34 AM
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bluezero posted...
So in winter when it's-50F wind chill, how far am I expected to walk to my job? A bus is not going to deliver me to my building.
this issue is actually more broadly applicable to cars. because cars take up so much space, the parking lots to contain them have to be really big, and your actual destination is often a pretty significant distance from where you park

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voldothegr8
03/29/23 10:49:36 AM
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I'm all for it, less jackasses on the road makes my drive easier.

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MonumentValley
03/29/23 10:52:01 AM
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No thanks. I'll keep my car and stay out of places like NYC.

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NoMeLx22x
03/29/23 10:52:31 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Directly there and directly back is worth the 1500% markup over walking to the bus stop closest to your home (assuming there even is one), and then walking from the nearest bus stop to your workplace, then doing it in reverse at the end of the day (assuming the busses are still running then).

Which is why we're saying to invest in public transportation so that your nearest bus stop isn't that far away. That's the point.

Like obviously if you live out in the country than no, but if you live in a major metro area and we develop good light rail/train/busses and make streets more bicycle safe it would be tremendously helpful.

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Solar_Crimson
03/29/23 10:53:08 AM
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Krojen posted...
Absolutely, but there's like only a small handful of politicians in the entire country that wouldn't actively fight against the idea.


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Questionmarktarius
03/29/23 10:56:14 AM
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NoMeLx22x posted...
Which is why we're saying to invest in public transportation so that your nearest bus stop isn't that far away. That's the point.
Until people who don't need public transportation are willing to use it, it's a lost cause.

There'd probably be a huge market opportunity for a "bougie bus" with an incorporated Starbucks in the morning and cocktail bar in the evening.
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LightHawKnight
03/29/23 10:58:32 AM
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NoMeLx22x posted...
Which is why we're saying to invest in public transportation so that your nearest bus stop isn't that far away. That's the point.

Like obviously if you live out in the country than no, but if you live in a major metro area and we develop good light rail/train/busses and make streets more bicycle safe it would be tremendously helpful.

Even if you live out in the country, it would be nice if they updated the rail system.

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emblem-man
03/29/23 11:29:40 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
In 'Merica, once there's a sense that any given public service is for "the poors", nobody else wants anything at all to do with it.


This is actually a reason why focus on making public transportation free isn't the best. You really just need to make public transportation better and make it appeal to middle class people. By having more frequent routes that are easily accessible to people so that they optionally choose to use it, even if it costs money.
Remove the stigma of it being for the poor


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CADE_FOSTER
03/29/23 11:35:30 AM
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we need to invest in more walkable cities and towns and public transport but that will never happen the oil and car industry has to much power
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LightHawKnight
03/29/23 11:55:42 AM
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CADE_FOSTER posted...
we need to invest in more walkable cities and towns and public transport but that will never happen the oil and car industry has to much power

Even without big oil and car fighting it, walkable cities isnt something easy to do in the US. Specific stores on every corner, or at least on enough corners for it to be walkable is a tough task let alone getting the land to get this setup and people moved in. Converting regular cities is going to be insanely difficult.

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Questionmarktarius
03/29/23 12:00:31 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Specific stores on every corner, or at least on enough corners for it to be walkable is a tough task let alone getting the land to get this setup and people moved in.
The closest we have to this is the classic American "stroad", and those are the exact opposite of walkable.
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averagejoel
03/29/23 12:06:39 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Even without big oil and car fighting it, walkable cities isnt something easy to do in the US. Specific stores on every corner, or at least on enough corners for it to be walkable is a tough task let alone getting the land to get this setup and people moved in. Converting regular cities is going to be insanely difficult.
North American cities weren't always horrific dystopian car-centric wastelands. LA used to have the most extensive electric streetcar network in the world. most cities in Canada and the US used to have more extensive transit service

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theAteam
03/29/23 12:12:03 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
The only "national" mass transit is Amtrak, and that's a disastrous moneyhole outside of the Boston-DC route.

Can we sit here and say public transit doesn't work when we barely even attempt to invest in it?

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Questionmarktarius
03/29/23 12:20:13 PM
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theAteam posted...
Can we sit here and say public transit doesn't work when we barely even attempt to invest in it?
Amtrak constantly gets money thrown at it.
https://railroads.dot.gov/grants-loans/directed-grant-programs/federal-grants-amtrak

There's just no point to it (again, outside of the Boston-DC line), when you can fly wherever you're going for a third the cost and probably a twentieth the time.
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averagejoel
03/29/23 12:26:58 PM
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theAteam posted...
Can we sit here and say public transit doesn't work when we barely even attempt to invest in it?
not only does the US not attempt to invest in it; they actively work against it. the automotive industry bought up all the rail lines specifically so they could dismantle them and force people to become reliant on cars. they literally created the term "jaywalking" to shame people for not using cars

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LightHawKnight
03/29/23 12:46:48 PM
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averagejoel posted...
North American cities weren't always horrific dystopian car-centric wastelands. LA used to have the most extensive electric streetcar network in the world. most cities in Canada and the US used to have more extensive transit service

Wasnt used to are the keywords though. They are now and fixing that is going to be a massive undertaking even without people lobbying against it for money. Public transit is a far easier prospect to fix before we get to walkable cities.

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Questionmarktarius
03/29/23 12:48:20 PM
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averagejoel posted...
North American cities weren't always horrific dystopian car-centric wastelands. LA used to have the most extensive electric streetcar network in the world. most cities in Canada and the US used to have more extensive transit service
We can blame GM all we want for supposedly buying and shitcaning all the streetcars, but why were they sold to GM in the first place?
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Intro2Logic
03/29/23 12:49:25 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
They are now and fixing that is going to be a massive undertaking even without people lobbying against it for money
Anything good is going to be a massive undertaking. But you should also understand the pileup of inconveniences caused by the current state of affairs to be a massive amount of small undertakings. Equally burdensome, but without the benefit of improvement at the end.

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Antifar
03/29/23 12:51:28 PM
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A lot of this topic is people saying that public transit sucks and is inconvenient now, so we shouldn't do anything to improve it. Baby brain shit.

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Questionmarktarius
03/29/23 12:56:12 PM
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Antifar posted...
A lot of this topic is people saying that public transit sucks and is inconvenient now, so we shouldn't do anything to improve it. Baby brain shit.
You got to get over the hurdle of convincing people to pay for improving something they never use and probably won't.
That's why the only real vector for this is a fancy new street car that goes nowhere but "touristy" areas.
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kelemvor
03/29/23 1:01:30 PM
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Psyloshsr posted...
No, it doesn't work here on large scale. This isn't Europe where everything is right next to each other. Let the cities big enough to get use out of them fund it themselves.

This is an accurate statement. Even our cities are spread out. New York and San Francisco are dense, but tons of cities in the USA just spread out into all the suburbs and low cost land around them.

However, as the country continues it's exodus to the Southern states, I could see more rail projects up and down the I-95 and I-85 corridors. I mean, it will take decades, but it will happen.

Florida already has high speed rail from Miami to West Palm Beach and is about to finish the line to Orlando. Tampa is already planned to be the next connection in the not so distant future.
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NoxObscuras
03/29/23 1:04:11 PM
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I think enough funding is going into it in my country. I live in Los Angeles and in the last 30 years, they've built over 100 miles of railway lines. Our public transportation still sucks, but it's slowly getting better.

I have no idea about on a national level though

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CADE_FOSTER
03/29/23 1:28:10 PM
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Houston where i live isnt walkable at all we are all freeways and no sidewalks anywhere city
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Antifar
03/29/23 3:31:07 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
I live in Los Angeles and in the last 30 years, they've built over 100 miles of railway lines.
My dude that is 3 miles a year.

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Questionmarktarius
03/29/23 3:38:22 PM
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Antifar posted...
My dude that is 3 miles a year.
If anything, that's way better than expected.
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Butterfiles
03/29/23 3:41:56 PM
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Absolutely, we need more dense and walkable cities with good public transit. There are only like 5 currently

Antifar posted...
My dude that is 3 miles a year.

Hey at least they have two light rail lines that almost go to LAX now

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MedeaLysistrata
03/29/23 3:44:17 PM
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When I was in Raleigh I actually saw a bus immediately.

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NoxObscuras
03/29/23 3:54:55 PM
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Antifar posted...
My dude that is 3 miles a year.
Sure on average, but they weren't actively building for every year in that timeframe. But in just my lifetime, LA went from nothing, to multiple rail lines. Still a long way to go, but we are actively putting money into it. The last line that they finished cost 1.5 billion

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TheGoldenEel
03/29/23 4:03:48 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
You got to get over the hurdle of convincing people to pay for improving something they never use and probably won't.

you do that by investing and making it better

my city is investing in public transit and soon the bus to down town is going to have stop near my house with busses that arrive every 15 minutes or less, and you can bet your ass Im going to use that over driving once that starts

previously busses were every 30-60 minutes. Thats inconvenient! But every 15 minutes certainly overcomes the other inconvenience of finding and paying for parking downtown

thats the whole point of this topic btw. Investing in it to make it better will certainly attract new users

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Heartomaton
03/29/23 4:03:50 PM
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Ideally we'd be funding just about everything better, with funds taken right out of the unnecessarily bloated defense budget.

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