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HannibalBarca3
02/24/23 9:29:31 PM
#303:


GGs

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AceAttorneyist
02/26/23 9:46:08 AM
#304:


What Sean goes for here around 30 seconds is insane, I have to start going for that. Nair 1 into footstool probably causing a missed tech into imagination

https://youtu.be/a14CAxsx-l8

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AceAttorneyist
02/26/23 9:53:08 AM
#305:


Also Sean has to have the best movement and ledge trapping among Falcons

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NightMarishPie
02/26/23 11:15:16 AM
#306:


I think Sean is, and has been, the best Falcon for awhile. He just doesn't get to travel as much. His innovation and movement with that character is extremely impressive. The neutral as a whole just looks so clean.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
02/27/23 12:08:55 PM
#307:


rideshort posted...
Is that Angels?

Yup that was me, just got out of purgatory so I couldn't post lol but it was fun playing w/ you guys again. I played some online tourneys friday too for the first time in a while, got top 8 somehow at Howling at the Moon

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rideshort
02/27/23 12:54:53 PM
#308:


I agree. Sean has that innovation with Falcon hands down. He needs a good sponsor to get him out there. Also that Nair 1 to footstool looks nasty for easy jab locks. Thanks for the tip Ace.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Yup that was me, just got out of purgatory so I couldn't post lol but it was fun playing w/ you guys again.

Aye. Welcome back. Dude did you level up or something? I was like, why can't I hit this spicy bird.

I'm gonna need a new character with better frame data with ground and aerial speed to keep up better with yall characters.

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rideshort
02/27/23 1:20:03 PM
#309:


What's y'all take on Steve?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yimwl69yJMo


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AceAttorneyist
02/27/23 2:11:17 PM
#310:


rideshort posted...
What's y'all take on Steve?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yimwl69yJMo

Probably should be banned if the tech is as easy to perform as people say it is. It's broken.

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rideshort
02/27/23 2:19:20 PM
#311:


The canceling of hitstun tech? That's the one that seals it for me too.

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AceAttorneyist
02/27/23 4:09:44 PM
#312:


rideshort posted...
The canceling of hitstun tech? That's the one that seals it for me too.

To be honest I think Steve was probably fine before this. This hitstun crap is beyond egregious

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pojr
02/27/23 4:21:39 PM
#313:


I know Nintendo doesn't Do patches anymore, but wouldn't this be the exception? If there is a game-breaking glitch? I haven't looked at what the glitch is yet though, but if it's something as bad as wobbling, I say Nintendo should patch it.

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AceAttorneyist
02/27/23 4:44:06 PM
#314:


pojr posted...
I know Nintendo doesn't Do patches anymore, but wouldn't this be the exception? If there is a game-breaking glitch? I haven't looked at what the glitch is yet though, but if it's something as bad as wobbling, I say Nintendo should patch it.

I think this is much worse than wobbling, at least when you fought Ice Climbers you knew when you hit them with a combo starter or a kill move like Fox up air you were likely to get something from it. Steve can just kill you for hitting him now. And Steve was already a much better character in Ultimate than Ice Climbers were in Melee, even with wobbling.

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EyeWontBeFooled
02/27/23 10:19:57 PM
#315:


AceAttorneyist posted...
I think this is much worse than wobbling, at least when you fought Ice Climbers you knew when you hit them with a combo starter or a kill move like Fox up air you were likely to get something from it. Steve can just kill you for hitting him now. And Steve was already a much better character in Ultimate than Ice Climbers were in Melee, even with wobbling.
I'll believe it when Steve starts winning majors.

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AceAttorneyist
02/28/23 7:45:59 AM
#316:


EyeWontBeFooled posted...
I'll believe it when Steve starts winning majors.

According to the Izaw video rideshort posted, apparently that was already happening without the tech. He said that "unranked teenage Wi-Fi warriors" have been winning majors. I don't even know what players or tournaments he's referring to as I don't follow that closely, but maybe that means I'm wrong about him being okay without the tech.

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pojr
02/28/23 10:53:07 AM
#317:


AceAttorneyist posted...
According to the Izaw video rideshort posted, apparently that was already happening without the tech. He said that "unranked teenage Wi-Fi warriors" have been winning majors. I don't even know what players or tournaments he's referring to as I don't follow that closely, but maybe that means I'm wrong about him being okay without the tech.
One person I can think of is Onin. He came out of nowhere and won a major with Steve, even beating leo. Supposedly a lot of his practice came from playing against people on elite (could be wrong on this though). His experience prior to winning that tournament is extremely limited, never obtaining a win even close to that.

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NightMarishPie
02/28/23 12:06:19 PM
#318:


Onin won Smash Con (biggest Ult tournament to date) and GOML and acola has won few US, and almost every (that he entered) Japan smash major. Steve is definitely top 1 results wise, and it's not close, but I didn't think he needed to be banned before the tech. With the tech, he definitely is ban-worthy. Not sure he will be banned, but the argument is definitely strong.

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HannibalBarca3
02/28/23 1:16:05 PM
#319:


Esports are in a rough spot right now. Both Leo and Tweek lost their sponsors, I think Sonix did as well, and for smash Beyond the Summit is disbanding after Ultimate Summit 6. Doesnt help how terrible everything went last year with Smash World Tour and the Panda Cup.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
02/28/23 2:16:04 PM
#320:


Yeah Smash is in a rough spot right now, losing BTS is devastating, I loved the Summit weekends. I have hardly even touched Steve and I don't know the limits of the new tech, but it seems like it would be very easy to setup anytime Steve is in disadvantage. Not just an easy way to escape any multi-hit move or low % combo, but also an easy bait/punish since Steve has no lag. Its not an obvious tech either like Wobbling, characters fall out of multi hit moves all the time naturally, would be hard to determine if the Steve tech was used or if the move just sucks and failed to connect.

I am hoping someone like Gimr does a deep dive into the tech and its limitations (Twitter is only posting the crazy benefits), but right now it seems like a full Steve ban is the way to go

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powpow999
03/02/23 7:55:51 PM
#321:


Not sure about the Steve stuff, but you guys talking earlier about Sean. His Falcon is a pleasure to watch, that mans is so smooth
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pojr
03/02/23 8:11:01 PM
#322:


Why ban the character and not the glitch? You don't ban ice climbers, you ban wobbling. Just wondering lol.

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HannibalBarca3
03/02/23 8:15:16 PM
#323:


Because it's hard to tell.

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NightMarishPie
03/02/23 10:59:27 PM
#324:


pojr posted...
Why ban the character and not the glitch? You don't ban ice climbers, you ban wobbling. Just wondering lol.
Logistically it's really hard to tell at a local or major. Steve does tech so you call for a replay review. The Steve may or may not have done it, so you watch 3min of a replay, can't tell what happened, then need to re-watch the whole replay again. When you're wobbled, it's super obvious and doesn't instantly kill you, where Steve's tech has the potential for that. There's no easy answer either way.

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AceAttorneyist
03/03/23 5:17:17 PM
#325:


Anyone around?

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HannibalBarca3
03/03/23 5:34:46 PM
#326:


I'll be around in an hour

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AceAttorneyist
03/04/23 11:12:40 AM
#327:


Anyone around??

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AceAttorneyist
03/05/23 4:46:35 PM
#328:


Anyone wanna play?

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Simon_Petrikov
03/05/23 4:52:28 PM
#329:


I can play for about an hour

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AceAttorneyist
03/05/23 5:30:47 PM
#330:


Simon_Petrikov posted...
I can play for about an hour

Damn I missed you

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Simon_Petrikov
03/05/23 5:35:33 PM
#331:


still around for right now

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AceAttorneyist
03/05/23 5:40:27 PM
#332:


Simon_Petrikov posted...
still around for right now

G0TKF/69

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AceAttorneyist
03/05/23 6:01:29 PM
#333:


That shield break was fucking insane. Saved.

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Simon_Petrikov
03/05/23 6:21:10 PM
#334:


Last couple

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Simon_Petrikov
03/05/23 6:51:35 PM
#335:


ah, ggs

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AceAttorneyist
03/05/23 6:54:14 PM
#336:


Ggs. Not that I want to promote Nairo, but did you see this short? I noticed you kept going for something similar

https://youtube.com/shorts/2fB-iUEY_H0?feature=share

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AceAttorneyist
03/05/23 6:56:18 PM
#337:


Also still around if anyone wants to play

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HannibalBarca3
03/05/23 6:59:18 PM
#338:


I can play

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Simon_Petrikov
03/05/23 7:01:42 PM
#339:


AceAttorneyist posted...
but did you see this short?
Nah, I just think it would look cool to get the read.

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AceAttorneyist
03/05/23 7:11:11 PM
#340:


HannibalBarca3 posted...
I can play

BF48J/69

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AceAttorneyist
03/05/23 7:15:07 PM
#341:


Simon_Petrikov posted...
Nah, I just think it would look cool to get the read.

If you have a consistent way to hit your opponent to a platform at certain percents when they could miss a tech, it seems like a pretty useful tactic. Falcon has down throw and raptor boost to do that but not sure what Richter has. His down throw might work too

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HannibalBarca3
03/05/23 7:15:44 PM
#342:


omw

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anttttt
03/05/23 7:28:48 PM
#343:


i haven't played in like half a year but i dunno if i can play atm with my internet being potentially really unstable atm
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AceAttorneyist
03/05/23 7:58:37 PM
#344:


Also noticing nair 1 puts you on the platform at high percent, but at that point I may as well up smash

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HannibalBarca3
03/05/23 8:08:01 PM
#345:


anttttt posted...
i haven't played in like half a year but i dunno if i can play atm with my internet being potentially really unstable atm
It's all good

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anttttt
03/05/23 8:12:51 PM
#346:


yeah too laggy, sorry

i don't like the feeling of being the lagger of a lobby
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AceAttorneyist
03/05/23 8:18:55 PM
#347:


anttttt posted...
yeah too laggy, sorry

i don't like the feeling of being the lagger of a lobby

I respect that but it wasn't bad enough to be unplayable. I wanted to see if I could win one lol

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anttttt
03/05/23 8:22:12 PM
#348:


maybe i'll come back in a few minutes but the lag will probably stay there

gotta charge my left joycon which died
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anttttt
03/05/23 8:36:25 PM
#349:


oops i did not mean to do that

not used to the input delay after not playing
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AceAttorneyist
03/05/23 8:44:47 PM
#350:


At least right now your Fox feels harder to fight than your Lucario Xenophon. The rush down style might suit you more

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HannibalBarca3
03/05/23 8:47:27 PM
#351:


Losing with Fox is a choice

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AceAttorneyist
03/05/23 8:49:43 PM
#352:


anttttt posted...
oops i did not mean to do that

not used to the input delay after not playing

We won't count that one

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