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CARRRNE_ASADA
01/25/23 7:46:57 PM
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I know he had health problems down the road, but still there's so little story even though its been published for over 30 years now. Hell, the story feels like it starts at the end of the conviction arc with griffith being reborn and the traveling party coming together and feels like theres so much to accomplish.

Meanwhile Kishimoto doing 700 chapters of Naruto over just 15 years. Sure everybody has their own pace, but Berserk has been on a snail pace since the beggining and almost comatose state during the last chapters. Of course I dont mean to hate on Miura. Just wondering why even through the earlier years it took so long.

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K181
01/25/23 7:55:00 PM
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He was allegedly addicted to Idol Master, which distracted him considerably.

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MarcyWarcy
01/25/23 7:55:55 PM
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writing is hard if you arent motivated enough
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Prismsblade
01/25/23 7:56:42 PM
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The Japanese are just that stubborn. Sometimes staying the sole writer or VA behind something until death.

Unlike western comics where writers are swapped in and out after every few months or years.

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coolguyjimmy
01/25/23 8:02:06 PM
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According to a 2009 interview he spent 16 hours a day on Berserk (when working), but supposedly could only finish one page in that 16 hours, and each chapter has about 20 pages. So, 20 days per chapter, and that's without any breaks.
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CARRRNE_ASADA
01/25/23 8:03:49 PM
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K181 posted...
He was allegedly addicted to Idol Master, which distracted him considerably.

lmao, just read this theory and it makes sense since there's suddenly more and more young female characters popping in later in the story.

MarcyWarcy posted...
writing is hard if you arent motivated enough

Thats the thing. The actual story/writing part is not that big. Like one single book of game of thrones could handle most of whats happened in Berserk so far. Now, the drawings get way more detailed, specially after Guts gets the berserker armor and he gets a bit of a makeover with the white streak of hair. And the detail for the Kushan stuff is mind blowing, though youd think there would be apprentices helping him at that point of the series.


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CARRRNE_ASADA
01/25/23 8:05:27 PM
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coolguyjimmy posted...
According to a 2009 interview he spent 16 hours a day on Berserk (when working), but supposedly could only finish one page in that 16 hours, and each chapter has about 20 pages. So, 20 days per chapter, and that's without any breaks.

I know the insane detail is part of what will make Berserk go down in history as one of the GOAT mangas, but he really couldve tone it down a bit.

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StarSpangled
01/25/23 8:13:31 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
The Japanese are just that stubborn. Sometimes staying the sole writer or VA behind something until death.

Unlike western comics where writers are swapped in and out after every few months or years.

People don't like the swapping writers due to how inconsistent and convoluted it gets which is part of the reason why comics are doing so badly these days. When it comes to actual literature , writers generally stay the same too, and that includes infamous writers like GRRM also not making anything. I think it's more connected with success. The more successful they are, the more lazier they can afford to get.

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MorganTJ
01/25/23 8:15:00 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
I know the insane detail is part of what will make Berserk go down in history as one of the GOAT mangas, but he really couldve tone it down a bit.
If he toned it down the art would've been worse. Heck, when he switched to digital people got upset about the artstyle shift even though it presumably would've streamlined the process once he got used to the software.
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CARRRNE_ASADA
01/25/23 8:24:31 PM
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MorganTJ posted...
If he toned it down the art would've been worse. Heck, when he switched to digital people got upset about the artstyle shift even though it presumably would've streamlined the process once he got used to the software.

I mean...the black swordsman and golden age arcs for the most part dont look nowhere near as detailed as the stuff he does later and it doesnt hcange the overall quality of the series.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/2/0/AAPeemAAEH30.jpg
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/2/1/AAPeemAAEH31.jpg

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Freddie_Mercury
01/25/23 8:38:28 PM
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quality and idolmaster over quantity

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Prismsblade
01/25/23 8:41:16 PM
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StarSpangled posted...
People don't like the swapping writers due to how inconsistent and convoluted it gets which is part of the reason why comics are doing so badly these days. When it comes to actual literature , writers generally stay the same too, and that includes infamous writers like GRRM also not making anything. I think it's more connected with success. The more successful they are, the more lazier they can afford to get.
That had nothing to do with their decline.

Comicbooks are far more versatile and have transitioned to Movies, shows, and games without issue. Easily surpassing manga in those regards.

Comicbooks specifically just failed to adapt, particularly in regards to becoming more accessible vs manga that have numerous sites you can read them for free and anime adaptations if you prefer to watch.

Said entertainment also changes directors and creative teams regularly ehich has had no major impact on the MCU.

And while success breeding laziness could be a cause. Stalling the book for decades until death is a little to lazy to believe. Did he even leave a rough draft to it's conclusion?

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Tyranthraxus
01/25/23 8:45:17 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...


Thats the thing. The actual story/writing part is not that big. Like one single book of game of thrones could handle most of whats happened in Berserk so far. Now, the drawings get way more detailed, specially after Guts gets the berserker armor and he gets a bit of a makeover with the white streak of hair. And the detail for the Kushan stuff is mind blowing, though youd think there would be apprentices helping him at that point of the series.

He was a bit of a control freak and liked to do everything himself. Kurumada is the same way. Next dimension has only finally announced it will be ending and then there's still one more arc to go.

He started this shit in 1984 and it's still not done.

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StarSpangled
01/25/23 8:47:14 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
That had nothing to do with their decline.

Comicbooks are far more versatile and have transitioned to Movies, shows, and games without issue. Easily surpassing manga in those regards.

Comicbooks specifically just failed to adapt, particularly in regards to becoming more accessible vs manga that have numerous sites you can read them for free and anime adaptations if you prefer to watch.

Said entertainment also changes directors and creative teams regularly ehich has had no major impact on the MCU.

And while success breeding laziness could be a cause. Stalling the book for decades until death is a little to lazy to believe. Did he even leave a rough draft to it's conclusion?

Print medium and cinema are completely different beasts. A film's success is more due to directors than any writers. And the MCU and other comic book movies as a brand isn't equivalent to actual comics. That's like equating Pokemon's success with manga since Pokemon has a manga.
Your logic has been very faulty false equivalencies.


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Prismsblade
01/25/23 9:06:09 PM
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StarSpangled posted...
Print medium and cinema are completely different beasts. A film's success is more due to directors than any writers. And the MCU and other comic book movies as a brand isn't equivalent to actual comics. That's like equating Pokemon's success with manga since Pokemon has a manga.
Your logic has been very faulty false equivalencies.
Comicsbooks are the source material for where a majority of the creative storys and characters for the above originate. And most of whoms success are contributed to the writing and quality of said storys. Not the directors.

Not saying they're irrelevant, but they oftetimes would not have been capable of creating as good a movies as they did without drawing inspiration from them.

Your pokemon reference makes zero sense because neither brand are reliant on the other in any way, shape or form.

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StarSpangled
01/25/23 9:21:24 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Comicsbooks are the source material for where a majority of the creative ideas for the above originate. And most of whoms success are contributed to the writing and quality of said storys. Not the directors.

Not saying they're irrelevant, but they oftetimes would not have been capable of creating as good a movies as they did without drawing inspiration from them.

Your pokemon reference makes zero sense because neither brand are reliant on the other in any way, shape or form.

Not at all, the vast majority of comic book movies only follow the source material in name only and the actual film is based on completely original content created by directors. These movies could easily be original works with original characters. They don't draw any writing inspiration from comics, they simply use their characters due to it being easier to use established characters for marketing. When people are talking about the potential success of new MCU or comic book movies they aren't talking about the writers of the original comics, nor the events of the original comics, they talk exclusively about who's directing it.

Also, you talked earlier about free manga sites making things accessible, 1. there are free comic sites and 2. the decline comes from sales so free sites doesn't help there.


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El_Marsh
01/25/23 9:26:04 PM
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I always presumed that his slow pace was because of how extraordinarily detailed his work was. Given how exceptionally well regarded it is, I'm fine with the quality over the quantity, much as it would have been awesome for him to have finished the story himself.

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Prismsblade
01/25/23 10:02:54 PM
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StarSpangled posted...
Not at all, the vast majority of comic book movies only follow the source material in name only and the actual film is based on completely original content created by directors. These movies could easily be original works with original characters. They don't draw any writing inspiration from comics, they simply use their characters due to it being easier to use established characters for marketing. When people are talking about the potential success of new MCU or comic book movies they aren't talking about the writers of the original comics, nor the events of the original comics, they talk exclusively about who's directing it.

Most are heavily inspired. If directors were that creative they would have dumped/replaced the source material and characters long ago. Hell they would have been creating comicbook style movies from the beginning.

And said established characters and titles are only so due to the creative writers behind them the past decades.

In regards to discussing the movies idk about the director usually being a main talking point. Doubt most casuals could namedrop who's directors the next spiderverse movie.

StarSpangled posted...
Also, you talked earlier about free manga sites making things accessible, 1. there are free comic sites and 2. the decline comes from sales so free sites doesn't help there.
I haven't checked in many years, but when I was younger I had alot more trouble finding comicbooks online then manga. Pretty sure DC and Marvel were alot more strict with copyright. And it took them far to long to eventually create a dedicate site to purchase them digitally. And even longer for a app.

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Sexypwnstar
01/25/23 10:09:26 PM
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Akagi had a game that took a couple of decades or more to finish.

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StarSpangled
01/25/23 10:56:03 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Most are heavily inspired. If directors were that creative they would have dumped/replaced the source material and characters long ago. Hell they would have been creating comicbook style movies from the beginning.

And said established characters and titles are only so due to the creative writers behind them the past decades.

In regards to discussing the movies idk about the director usually being a main talking point. Doubt most casuals could namedrop who's directors the next spiderverse movie.

As I said, it's much much easier to market already established characters. If the actual writing in comic book stories were exceptional they'd actually adapt it faithfully rather than adapt them as loosely as physically possible, often completely changing events to being original stories. It says something that Comics are literally the least faithfully adapted medium of all mediums.
These characters are established from way back over 60 decades ago back when they were unique. There's a reason comics are known for rehashing and rebooting established old characters themselves rather than creating new ones. This is like saying the Sonic movies were successful due to how successful the current state of Sonic games are.
And what are you talking about? Individual adaptions are called Snyderverse or Nolan trilogy or Raimiverse. Doctor Strange 2 was known for being directed by Raimi rather than whatever comic arc (if any) it was inspired from. The animated Spiderverse is going to be known for its broad premise of various Spidermans across the universes teaming up with each other that is loosely inspired by the comic arc, not that the actual plot and writing will be remotely similar, which it already wasn't.

Prismsblade posted...
I haven't checked in many years, but when I was younger I had alot more trouble finding comicbooks online then manga. Pretty sure DC and Marvel were alot more strict with copyright. And it took them far to long to eventually create a dedicate site to purchase them digitally. And even longer for a app.
Yeah, you seem rather out of touch. There's been a free comic reading site that most comic fans casually talk about for over 5 years now.

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Prismsblade
01/25/23 11:36:28 PM
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StarSpangled posted...
As I said, it's much much easier to market already established characters. If the actual writing in comic book stories were exceptional they'd actually adapt it faithfully rather than adapt them as loosely as physically possible, often completely changing events to being original stories. It says something that Comics are literally the least faithfully adapted medium of all mediums.
They wouldn't have adapted the storys in the first place if the writing wasn't exceptional. Otherwise said storys wouldn't have become popular in the first place. Afterward they do add their ideas but weather or not said ideas are good is based enitrely on weather or they understand the source material. If not then the movies generally turn out crap. Which wouldn't be the case if directors were just that talented. This applies to all adaptions, not just comicbooks.

StarSpangled posted...
These characters are established from way back over 60 decades ago back when they were unique. There's a reason comics are known for rehashing and rebooting established old characters themselves rather than creating new ones.
Hollywood in general has been rebooting and rehashing crap for decades. So comicbooks aren't anywhere near special in that regard. And havent there been plenty more books, movies and shows the past century they csn pool from? So it speaks volumes of their quality they've managed to stand above the rest.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1asoj5ltaYQ

As for writers not fully adapting the storys, lol, I think their massive egos just won't allow it.

StarSpangled posted...
Yeah, you seem rather out of touch. There's been a free comic reading site that most comic fans casually talk about for over 5 years now
I should have specified, by my younger days I meant around 15+ years ago. And Comicbooks have been on the decline long before that.

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FL81
01/25/23 11:51:10 PM
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mfw idols literally killed anime and manga

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Aloc
01/25/23 11:55:50 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Said entertainment also changes directors and creative teams regularly ehich has had no major impact on the MCU.
They actually have to hire directors who are talented for MCU since it's all big money projects.

Comic book writers are a joke.
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StarSpangled
01/26/23 12:09:21 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
They wouldn't have adapted the storys in the first place if the writing wasn't exceptional. Otherwise said storys wouldn't have become popular in the first place. Afterward they do add their ideas but weather or not said ideas are good is based enitrely on weather or they understand the source material. If not then the movies generally turn out crap. Which wouldn't be the case if directors were just that talented. This applies to all adaptions, not just comicbooks.

Or because the premise is broad enough to be interesting. It's telling you completely ignored the Sonic example. Also, this is completely untrue. The Boys adaption is considered to be universally better than the original comic which was an edgelord mess with a ridiculous and nonsensical ending. What you don't seem to be able to comprehend is that a basic premise =/= the actual Comic's writing. The comic Mask is a villain protagonist about a psychopath killing people out of revenge and abusing his girlfriend and eventually killed by her while all other Mask adaptions has him as a hero. The PREMISE of the Mask is interesting but the writing and story itself was not considered good enough to adapt faithfully for anything.
Ironically, your description applies to anime far more, due to anime actually being made to be faithful to the manga the majority of the time and thus relies on the manga being good far more.

Prismsblade posted...
Hollywood in general has been rebooting and rehashing crap for decades. So comicbooks aren't anywhere near special in that regard. And havent there been plenty more books, movies and shows the past century they csn pool from? So it speaks volumes of their quality they've managed to stand above the rest.

As for writers not fully adapting the storys, lol, I think their massive egos just won't allow it.

Not nearly as much as comic books. Hollywood still routinely makes new things that become successful. Comics are special in the sheer amount of reboots there are. How many universes of Batman are there? How many universes of Spiderman are there? There are entire comic series that revolve around the sheer amount of different universes of those there are. There's nothing like that in Hollywood. What you don't seem to understand is that only pulling from their heyday doesn't speak to the rest of the following decades they don't pull from. Again, my Sonic example. Your argument is the equivalent of saying modern Sonic games are huge again and rival Mario because of the movie's success even though the movies only reference stuff from the very first games, even disregarding the fact that movies play by a whole different ballgame. Imagine saying Sonic has better writing than Silent Hill or Bioshock or Ace Attorney because its movie is more successful.

After all, Comic Book movies aren't particularly seen as high end cinema to begin with.

Prismsblade posted...
I should have specified, by my younger days I meant around 15+ years ago. And Comicbooks have been on the decline long before that.

I mean, your logic here is very outdated so that makes sense.

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CanardElastique
01/26/23 12:12:56 AM
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StarSpangled posted...
Yeah, you seem rather out of touch. There's been a free comic reading site that most comic fans casually talk about for over 5 years now
But is it legal?


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StarSpangled
01/26/23 12:14:02 AM
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CanardElastique posted...
But is it legal?
Neither are the manga sites he referenced.

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CanardElastique
01/26/23 12:14:33 AM
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Well there are free legal manga apps now.

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StarSpangled
01/26/23 12:20:31 AM
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CanardElastique posted...
Well there are free legal manga apps now.

But you have to pay to access every chapter right? In any case, the main place that manga is notably dominating comics in is physical sales so any free digital audience that hasn't been measured wouldn't apply.

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CanardElastique
01/26/23 1:42:12 AM
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Not on mangaplus, it's letting people read every chapter free once now

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Lagfile
01/26/23 2:19:06 AM
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If anyone was curious, which probably nobody was, Miura's favorite character from THE iDOLM@STER series was Chihaya Kisaragi.

https://imas.gamedbs.jp/mlth/image/card/bg/1585807990001_fuinakzg.png

I know nothing of Berserk, so I will put spoilers:

The character in Berserk called Isma is an anagram of IM@S, which is short for "Intermedia Artists and Specialists". Isma herself is also inspired on the idol Hibiki Ganaha, also from THE iDOLM@STER.

That said, I would say that the inspiration from Hibiki for Isma was more of the motif "aquatic" or mermaid-style rather than design, as Hibiki has extremely long hair, while Isma's is short. Both Hibiki and Isma seems to share a liking to the color of Light Blue (Usually Hibiki's color choice for her themed costumes, and Isma's hair color). Both seem to have a home on an island-based area (Okinawa for Hibiki, and the Sea God's Island for Isma). And lastly, both have an easy-going, kind and exciting personality.

Did anybody ask for this information? Probably not, but it was fun to do.

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Prismsblade
01/26/23 8:16:59 AM
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StarSpangled posted...
Or because the premise is broad enough to be interesting. It's telling you completely ignored the Sonic example. Also, this is completely untrue. The Boys adaption is considered to be universally better than the original comic which was an edgelord mess with a ridiculous and nonsensical ending. What you don't seem to be able to comprehend is that a basic premise =/= the actual Comic's writing. The comic Mask is a villain protagonist about a psychopath killing people out of revenge and abusing his girlfriend and eventually killed by her while all other Mask adaptions has him as a hero. The PREMISE of the Mask is interesting but the writing and story itself was not considered good enough to adapt faithfully for anything.
Ironically, your description applies to anime far more, due to anime actually being made to be faithful to the manga the majority of the time and thus relies on the manga being good far more.
You're referencing crappy/mediocre comics with good potential premises turned into great shows/movies. Which isn't relevant to already great comics being made greater by directors as you claim. The last Thor movie was universally considered inferior to the comic and Strange 2 about the freaking multiverse of all things ended up dogshit.

The Sonic movie succeeded due to the directors understanding the source material and characters. Which is the differance between a success, or a flop. Hence why the synderverse bombed.

Also unlike comicbooks manga can't be transitioned to live-action 1-1. From their zany designs, hairstyles, clothes, world and action. All of it looks goofy as fuck in live action. So they're limited to either manga or animation by design.

StarSpangled posted...
Not nearly as much as comic books. Hollywood still routinely makes new things that become successful. Comics are special in the sheer amount of reboots there are. How many universes of Batman are there? How many universes of Spiderman are there? There are entire comic series that revolve around the sheer amount of different universes of those there are. There's nothing like that in Hollywood. What you don't seem to understand is that only pulling from their heyday doesn't speak to the rest of the following decades they don't pull from. Again, my Sonic example. Your argument is the equivalent of saying modern Sonic games are huge again and rival Mario because of the movie's success even though the movies only reference stuff from the very first games, even disregarding the fact that movies play by a whole different ballgame. Imagine saying Sonic has better writing than Silent Hill or Bioshock or Ace Attorney because its movie is more successful
Routinely? Nah. Most are either reboots or sequels and that's not changing anytime soon. If not for comicbooks the big cinema would be all but dead by now probabaly.

And there are as many alternative versions of characters as there are universes in the infinite multiverse. Which offers writers a infinitely sized sandbox to be as creative as they want without impacting the main continuity. Plus if the universe becomes a success they can add it to the multiverse and utilize it whenever. Or if not just forget about it. It's genius.

And idk what you're talking about in regards to them only pulling from its peak. Storys like spiderverse, or Thor 4 were adapted from storys within the past decade.

And quality wise mondern comicbook storys aren't any worse then older ones. So they're have plenty of source material to drawn from for many years to come.

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gunplagirl
01/26/23 8:21:55 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/1/AAc53qAAEH9d.jpg
Listen, if that Idolm@ster thing is true? I get it.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
01/26/23 9:22:46 AM
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Lagfile posted...
If anyone was curious, which probably nobody was, Miura's favorite character from THE iDOLM@STER series was Chihaya Kisaragi.

https://imas.gamedbs.jp/mlth/image/card/bg/1585807990001_fuinakzg.png

I know nothing of Berserk, so I will put spoilers:

The character in Berserk called Isma is an anagram of IM@S, which is short for "Intermedia Artists and Specialists". Isma herself is also inspired on the idol Hibiki Ganaha, also from THE iDOLM@STER.

That said, I would say that the inspiration from Hibiki for Isma was more of the motif "aquatic" or mermaid-style rather than design, as Hibiki has extremely long hair, while Isma's is short. Both Hibiki and Isma seems to share a liking to the color of Light Blue (Usually Hibiki's color choice for her themed costumes, and Isma's hair color). Both seem to have a home on an island-based area (Okinawa for Hibiki, and the Sea God's Island for Isma). And lastly, both have an easy-going, kind and exciting personality.

Did anybody ask for this information? Probably not, but it was fun to do.

I'll take it. And adds more fire to the Miura abandoned berserk due to idol masters theory.

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gunplagirl
01/26/23 9:27:32 AM
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Lagfile posted...
If anyone was curious, which probably nobody was, Miura's favorite character from THE iDOLM@STER series was Chihaya Kisaragi.
Oh, he's got good taste. My favorite is Ranko Kanzaki but Chihaya Kisaragi is up there.

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blackrider76
01/26/23 9:51:43 AM
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Yayoi and Iori for the OG.

Too many times list for CG, though most of the ones I like are Cutes, like Chieri, Momoka, Kozue, etc. Some Passions like Miria and Kirari too.

I know Iori was Haradas (Tekken director) favorite.

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Lagfile
01/26/23 11:52:55 AM
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Yeah, I got dragged to idol hell thanks to Siivagunner. At least I now got my favorite idol, Makoto Kikuchi! I wish the Shiny Colors idols got an anime instead of the Million Live ones, but I take whatever idol content gladly. And yeaaaah, the Cinderella Girls idols are too many.

Speaking of Harada, you can see him in this Iori Minase card.

https://project-imas.wiki/images/4/46/IoriHRTekken.jpg

As a guest, there is also Kotoha Tanaka as Asuka (I think), meanwhile you get Iori in the center as Lili, both from Tekken.

And lastly, for anyone wondering, Chihaya Kisaragi's voice is simply too amazing to NOT share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDu8oDeinss

Also, while this was recorded on around 2007 or so, yes, her voice is still as beautiful and cool on 2023. And yes as well, I am over-idoling. Is that a word?

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StarSpangled
01/27/23 6:55:41 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
You're referencing crappy/mediocre comics with good potential premises turned into great shows/movies. Which isn't relevant to already great comics being made greater by directors as you claim. The last Thor movie was universally considered inferior to the comic and Strange 2 about the freaking multiverse of all things ended up dogshit.

The Sonic movie succeeded due to the directors understanding the source material and characters. Which is the differance between a success, or a flop. Hence why the synderverse bombed.

Also unlike comicbooks manga can't be transitioned to live-action 1-1. From their zany designs, hairstyles, clothes, world and action. All of it looks goofy as fuck in live action. So they're limited to either manga or animation by design.
Which is most comics. That's the whole point of my posts. All the "great" comics were the original stuff made in the very beginning/golden ages and all the rehashes starting from several decades ago have been mediocre. I have not heard anything about the later Thor and Dr. Strange movies even having a source material. They're completely original content as far as I know. If they were based off of existing comic arcs that just shows how little the original comic arcs matter.

Yup, exactly as a I said, they succeed by the directors despite the source material not being movie material. The sonic movies have completely unique plots with completely new characters set in a completely different setting.

The difference with manga is that mangas actually have a standard and are known more for the actual narrative and plot than the general premise. People can make a generalized premise adaption like the Netflix Death Note but it gets widely panned since the original source material's narrative is just so much stronger. People allow that for comics and stuff like Sonic since the source material's narrative isn't the strong part, it's the premise. It's why stuff with actual acclaimed narrative like The Last of Us are much more faithful.

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Routinely? Nah. Most are either reboots or sequels and that's not changing anytime soon. If not for comicbooks the big cinema would be all but dead by now probabaly.

And there are as many alternative versions of characters as there are universes in the infinite multiverse. Which offers writers a infinitely sized sandbox to be as creative as they want without impacting the main continuity. Plus if the universe becomes a success they can add it to the multiverse and utilize it whenever. Or if not just forget about it. It's genius.

And idk what you're talking about in regards to them only pulling from its peak. Storys like spiderverse, or Thor 4 were adapted from storys within the past decade.

And quality wise mondern comicbook storys aren't any worse then older ones. So they're have plenty of source material to drawn from for many years to come.

There are way more new movies in Hollywood that come out that are completely new than related to a previous movie.
Your second paragraph just makes it clearer that the strength lies in MOVIE-ORIGINAL content, not the source material's writing.
As I've already said, the narratives of the movie Spiderverse and Thor are completely different than the source material's. All they do is share a loosely similar premise. That has barely anything to do with the original source material's writing. If the original was so good it'd make more sense to follow them faithfully.
And no, almost nobody is adapting modern content, unless your definition of modern extends to decades ago.

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codey
01/27/23 7:18:57 AM
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As far as western comics go, it isn't swapping creative teams that has led to a sales decline, it's having inaccessible comics, meaning the books are so long running that it's difficult for new readers to even know where to begin. The major companies know this, too. It's why DC and Marvel have been "resetting" their universes and restarting everything with new No. 1 issues. They know they're just as popular as ever because of the movies, but new readers aren't just going to pick up Incredible Hulk No. 493.

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StarSpangled
01/27/23 7:31:08 AM
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And that creates the unfortunate side effect of becoming inaccessible again by having so many different versions around. A lot of people's complaints about comics is that the variations just makes it convoluted to get into when they don't know which version people talk about. Manga long-runners even if long are still able to keep their audience and attract new ones alike when it's relatively simple to get into.

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Gwynevere
01/27/23 7:51:08 AM
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Spoilers for Berserk and Naruto
Chapter 232 of Naruto:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/5/AAVkBcAAEINd.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/6/AAVkBcAAEINe.jpg
Chapter 225 of Berserk:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/7/AAVkBcAADq3X.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/8/AAVkBcAAEINg.jpg
The quality of Berserk is just unmatched. It's in a league of it's own, with a lot of double page spreads from Berserk belonging in actual museums. There's a reason other mangaka were able to pump out almost 1000 chapters while Berserk is still in the 300s after decades. The pacing sucks but the quality never suffered (and still hasn't imo)

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Aloc
01/27/23 8:46:51 AM
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The art quality may not have suffered.

But the story mist certainly did.
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gunplagirl
01/27/23 9:01:26 AM
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Yayoi and Iori for the OG.

Too many times list for CG, though most of the ones I like are Cutes, like Chieri, Momoka, Kozue, etc. Some Passions like Miria and Kirari too.

I know Iori was Haradas (Tekken director) favorite.
Chieri is so sweet in her interactions in the game I have. <3

But back on to the main topic, his art is unparalleled in manga. While the story may not have finished, the man was making masterpiece after masterpiece. ;-; I won't begrudge him that.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
01/27/23 6:24:04 PM
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Gwynevere posted...


The quality of Berserk is just unmatched. It's in a league of it's own, with a lot of double page spreads from Berserk belonging in actual museums. There's a reason other mangaka were able to pump out almost 1000 chapters while Berserk is still in the 300s after decades. The pacing sucks but the quality never suffered (and still hasn't imo)


Yeah. Im at chapter 324 and while its nowhere near bad, its definitely lost some momentum with the sea god/pirates arc. Specially the pirates as comic relief feels ab it out of place and all of it feels like feeler. I cant imagine waiting months to get next chapter to only keep reading about the pirates.

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Gwynevere
01/27/23 7:00:13 PM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
Yeah. Im at chapter 324 and while its nowhere near bad, its definitely lost some momentum with the sea god/pirates arc. Specially the pirates as comic relief feels ab it out of place and all of it feels like feeler. I cant imagine waiting months to get next chapter to only keep reading about the pirates.
Yeah the boat arc is infamous for a reason. Pretty sure those who were reading chapter by chapter when they got on the boat had to sit through that shit for a decade lol. The sea god part is pretty cool when you get to blast through it in one sitting, but I'd go mad reading that shit for years

I'm very happy to be back to a mostly monthly release schedule. Berserk fans are feasting now compared to any point in the last decade

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