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Tyranthraxus
11/14/22 11:29:30 PM
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bipartisan-senate-group-says-it-has-the-votes-to-codify-same-sex-and-interracial-marriage/ar-AA146Mzd

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VampireCoyote
11/14/22 11:30:13 PM
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sad that its even necessary

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TroutPaste
11/14/22 11:30:39 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
sad that its even necessary


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AldousIsDead
11/14/22 11:31:23 PM
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Fuckin do it then.

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TheHoldSteady
11/14/22 11:32:46 PM
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they're using reconciliation right? no way they found 10 GOP senators to flip on this.

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HylianFox
11/14/22 11:34:20 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
sad that its even necessary


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Kain_Highwind
11/14/22 11:34:54 PM
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This bill is shit

If Obergefell is somehow struck down, this bill still gives states the rights to not recognize the marriages

Its a bad faith move by republicans to try and appease people when really it won't do anything

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Tyranthraxus
11/14/22 11:36:44 PM
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TheHoldSteady posted...
they're using reconciliation right? no way they found 10 GOP senators to flip on this.
I think they did


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Kain_Highwind
11/14/22 11:37:06 PM
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All this bill does is mandate federal recognition for marriages performed in states where it remained legal in the case that Obergefell is repealed

If a state outlaws it, this bill doesn't do anything for that state

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Questionmarktarius
11/14/22 11:37:45 PM
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Text of bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/8404/text

7 looks to be loopholey.
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Tyranthraxus
11/14/22 11:53:44 PM
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Kain_Highwind posted...
All this bill does is mandate federal recognition for marriages performed in states where it remained legal in the case that Obergefell is repealed

If a state outlaws it, this bill doesn't do anything for that state

It means you have to take a short trip to get married I guess but there's limits on how much federal law gets to decide what be states can do.

If the federal government was the one granting marriage licenses it'd be different.

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Questionmarktarius
11/15/22 12:05:05 AM
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The only way states can call this bluff, is by ending legal marriage entirely, and even then the wording of the bill specifically grandfathers existing marriages.

I see this one going to SCOTUS quickly. Could have gone the Drinking Age Act vector, but there's too much risk of losing that method.
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Proto_Spark
11/15/22 12:06:50 AM
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Now if Obergefell can just be overturned, why can't any republican state just make up an excuse to challenge whatever bill gets passed and have the SCOTUS strike it down?

Its not like the SCOTUS is even pretending to be politically neutral at this point.
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Questionmarktarius
11/15/22 12:08:35 AM
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The question we really need to be asking is: if marriage is a right, why do we need a license to do it?
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Solar_Crimson
11/15/22 12:22:17 AM
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VampireCoyote posted...
sad that its even necessary


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Halo478
11/15/22 12:24:47 AM
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VampireCoyote posted...
sad that its even necessary


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gunplagirl
11/15/22 12:27:31 AM
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VampireCoyote posted...
sad that its even necessary
It's always important to codify this stuff into law, the fact they sat on court rulings for decades knowing Republicans wanted to stack the SCOTUS is just beyond irresponsible.

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Gobstoppers12
11/15/22 1:39:34 AM
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VampireCoyote posted...
sad that its even necessary
This is true, but it's going to be said and done once it's written into the books.

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emblem-man
11/16/22 4:36:00 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
The only way states can call this bluff, is by ending legal marriage entirely, and even then the wording of the bill specifically grandfathers existing marriages.

I see this one going to SCOTUS quickly. Could have gone the Drinking Age Act vector, but there's too much risk of losing that method.


What would be the harm/damage that could initiate a legal case?

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DoesntMatter
11/16/22 4:38:27 PM
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AldousIsDead posted...
Fuckin do it then.


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legendary_zell
11/16/22 4:38:30 PM
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I'm highly suspicious of any bill where there are several Republicans claiming to support gay marriage in any meaningful way. I'm pretty sure that conflicts with their base and their party platform. This is just going to be something they use to say "look the hysterical left says we hate LGBT people and wanna take their rights, but we passed this Swiss cheese law, they're never happy"

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Questionmarktarius
11/16/22 4:44:55 PM
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emblem-man posted...
What would be the harm/damage that could initiate a legal case?
The scenario of a state stripping "marriage" from law, could plausibly ram into 7a and 7c.
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Proto_Spark
11/16/22 5:12:19 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
I'm highly suspicious of any bill where there are several Republicans claiming to support gay marriage in any meaningful way. I'm pretty sure that conflicts with their base and their party platform. This is just going to be something they use to say "look the hysterical left says we hate LGBT people and wanna take their rights, but we passed this Swiss cheese law, they're never happy"

I think its an attempt for the non-MAGA republicans who are basically just trying to make them look a little better when we look at them in like 15 years after MAGA envelops then entire party and the people who like, quietly want the poor to die and huge systemic problems to only get worse look a little better because they threw a bone every now and then.

After the MAGA crowd completely takes over the Republican Party and all these people are ousted, they're expecting stuff like this will make them look better than actually seeing the crap they pulled.
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Tyranthraxus
11/16/22 8:02:05 PM
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It's done. 62 votes to defeat the filibuster

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/11/16/schumer-senate-vote-gay-marriage/10704463002/

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Damn_Underscore
11/16/22 8:03:58 PM
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Who were the 12 Republicans who voted for it because this is a really basic thing that should pass

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mustachedmystic
11/16/22 8:10:17 PM
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Proto_Spark posted...
Its not like the SCOTUS is even pretending to be politically neutral at this point.
Didnt they make at last one decision counter to GOP positions in their last session?

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Ruvan22
11/16/22 9:10:07 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Who were the 12 Republicans who voted for it because this is a really basic thing that should pass

I'd like to know this too...
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Tyranthraxus
11/17/22 4:39:49 PM
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Sent to house

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/bipartisan-senate-majority-advances-respect-marriage-act-rcna57574

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CobraGT
11/17/22 4:44:27 PM
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House? Some votes are still being counted.

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SodomInsane
11/17/22 4:45:56 PM
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Is only the Senate needed for this? Or does this have to pass in the House too?

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Robot2600
11/17/22 4:48:12 PM
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SodomInsane posted...
Is only the Senate needed for this? Or does this have to pass in the House too?

all bills must pass both chambers, and then not be veto'd, to become law.

vetos can be overturned but it takes a supermajority (i forget what exactly)

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Sayoria
11/17/22 4:49:18 PM
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Now if the country can keep on voting blue for the years to come, MAYBE we can codify Roe if we can oust these asshole Republicans.

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SodomInsane
11/17/22 4:51:07 PM
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Robot2600 posted...
all bills must pass both chambers, and then not be veto'd, to become law.

vetos can be overturned but it takes a supermajority (i forget what exactly)

Oh ok so that means this bill goes nowhere. Like when last year House passed bill to make Washington DC 51st state and it died and hasnt been mentioned much since.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/22/989119412/house-democrats-pass-bill-to-make-d-c-the-51st-state

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Robot2600
11/17/22 4:51:12 PM
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dems still have the house rn, right? the new ppl dont take office until jan?

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Robot2600
11/17/22 4:53:23 PM
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SodomInsane posted...
Oh ok so that means this bill goes nowhere. Like when last year House passed bill to make Washington DC 51st state and it died and hasnt been mentioned much since.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/22/989119412/house-democrats-pass-bill-to-make-d-c-the-51st-state

no this one is going to pass. the senate requires 60 votes (out of 101) to pass, so that's where it died. the house requires 50.1% in favor. the senate is always the "hard" place. the senate is what cleared trump, for example, even though the house impeached him twice.

so, having already passed the senate it seems like it's a sure thing.

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Questionmarktarius
11/17/22 4:53:54 PM
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SodomInsane posted...
Oh ok so that means this bill goes nowhere.
It already passed the house, then the senate added some stuff, and now the house has to pass it again.

If "priests aren't obligated to perform your wedding" is what tanks it, then we may have to re-examine who the "stubbornly idealistic" party really is.
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Tyranthraxus
11/17/22 5:05:29 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
It already passed the house, then the senate added some stuff, and now the house has to pass it again.

If "priests aren't obligated to perform your wedding" is what tanks it, then we may have to re-examine who the "stubbornly idealistic" party really is.

This will for sure pass since every Democrat is anticipating overturn of Obergefell.

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Hoodroar
11/17/22 5:13:51 PM
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Moderate Republicans saw Roe obliterate them and don't want the Supreme Court to fuck them over any more than it has.

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Kuuko
11/17/22 5:17:43 PM
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I peered into the conservative discussion on the internet and it's baffling to me that a lot of people are so forthright in 2022 that they're still anti-gay-marriage. It's such an unpopular stance to have now I thought the Republican party tried to just kinda sweep it under the rug that they were fighting tooth and nail against it just a few years ago. The renewed interest in it apparently exposed the beliefs people never dropped though.

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thronedfire2
11/17/22 5:21:15 PM
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Kuuko posted...
I peered into the conservative discussion on the internet and it's baffling to me that a lot of people are so forthright in 2022 that they're still anti-gay-marriage. It's such an unpopular stance to have now I thought the Republican party tried to just kinda sweep it under the rug that they were fighting tooth and nail against it just a few years ago. The renewed interest in it apparently exposed the beliefs people never dropped though.

they stopped being as overtly anti-gay marriage when Trump ran for office because he loved the gays

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