Current Events > You think humans will ever come up with ways to battle natural calamities?

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Like da ability to stop hurricanes, tornados, tsunamis, volcano eruptions, earthquakes, etc?

Or is being able to detect dem hella faster to evacuate da area be da best we can do?

If we do, it'll just be a mega weapon like a nuke, so we wouldn't be doing any good.

We already do, look how many more people used to die 100 years ago in the US compared to today in natural disasters. I dont think anyone in the US has died in more than 30 years from a drought or famine. Those used to be devastating

If Roland Emmerich's Independence Day happened in real life, leaders would be trying to team up with the aliens to defeat the nations they dislike.

Is dat what were calling booba now?

ssj3vegeta posted...

Like da ability to stop hurricanes, tornados, tsunamis, volcano eruptions, earthquakes, etc?

Or is being able to detect dem hella faster to evacuate da area be da best we can do?

https://arstechnica.com/science/2014/02/massive-offshore-wind-farms-unexpected-benefit-hurricane-protection/

According to Standford Universities simulations, lining the US Coast with a MASSIVE AMOUNT of Off-Shore Wind Turbines would dramatically lower the intensity of Hurricanes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7uRtxl8j2U

Making LOTS of Wind Farms form a wall around the US along the coast line can theoretically absorb ALOT of the energy from a Hurricane/Typhoon/Tornado can "LOWER" the intensity.

It WON'T stop the Hurricane/Typhoon/Tornado sadly. But it's a start.

Volcano & Earthquakes, we can probably predict when those will happen and evacuate, but we can't stop it.

Tsunami's could be withstood if you made your home out of Concrete / Steel instead of Wood.

http://courses.washington.edu/larescue/precedents/prevention.htm

Alot of Tsunami mitigation comes from good local planning & Quality manufacturing of Buildings / Facilities.

That costs money and costing money is a cardinal sin in corporate America

Kloe_Rinz posted...

That costs money and costing money is a cardinal sin in corporate America

Do you really think the problem is capitalism? Or maybe its that the idea of using a wall of windmills to stop a hurricane is a fucking terrible idea as soon as you put any actual thought into it, like Solar Roadways?

Of course we will

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Do you really think the problem is capitalism? Or maybe its that the idea of using a wall of windmills to stop a hurricane is a fucking terrible idea as soon as you put any actual thought into it, like Solar Roadways?

If you actually read the article, it was never meant to "Stop the hurricane", just "reduce it's storm rating by a few tiers" to be manageable.

Current Wind Turbines are already designed to withstand hurricanes while off-shore. That's why they are already allowed to operate in area's where Hurricanes might go.

Solar Roadways is a completely different animal and is dumb as eff.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

If you actually read the article, it was never meant to "Stop the hurricane", just "reduce it's storm rating by a few tiers" to be manageable.

Current Wind Turbines are already designed to withstand hurricanes while off-shore. That's why they are already allowed to operate in area's where Hurricanes might go.

Solar Roadways is a completely different animal and is dumb as eff.

I definitely watched the video, and yes using thousands and thousands and thousands of windmills to reduce the force of a hurricane is extremely stupid. Just cause they made a little computer graphic doesnt make the idea any more realistic.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

I definitely watched the video, and yes using thousands and thousands and thousands of windmills to reduce the force of a hurricane is extremely stupid. Just cause they made a little computer graphic doesnt make the idea any more realistic.

That's more of a "Side Benefit" of having thousands upon thousands of Wind Turbines off-shore.

The main purpose of the Off-shore Wind Farm is for power generation and there is plenty of real estate off the US coast to plant Wind Farms.

In Star Trek we created giant nets to stop tornados

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

That's more of a "Side Benefit" of having thousands upon thousands of Wind Turbines off-shore.

The main purpose of the Off-shore Wind Farm is for power generation and there is plenty of real estate off the US coast to plant Wind Farms.

And hurricane alley would be the absolute worst place to put an off shore wind farm

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

And hurricane alley would be the absolute worst place to put an off shore wind farm

Riders On The Storm: GE Is Building A Wind Turbine That Can Weather Violent Typhoons, Hurricanes
https://www.ge.com/news/reports/riders-storm-ge-building-wind-turbine-can-weather-violent-typhoons-hurricanes

It's not like they haven't thought about how to deal with this issue.

Can Wind Turbines Withstand Storms?
https://web.uri.edu/offshore-renewable-energy/ate/can-wind-turbines-withstand-storms/

Well, wind turbines have an anemometer that measures current wind speeds. This information is sent to the turbine controller. The turbine controller operates cut-in and cut-out periods based upon these wind speeds. Turbines are powered on only when wind speeds range between 8 and 55 miles per hour (mph)2. Once the anemometer measures speeds at or below the turbines cut-out speed, the blades resume normal operation and continue to provide renewable energy to the grid.
The diagram below shows the power output of a turbine against steady wind speeds. As wind speeds increase, more electricity is generated until it reaches its maximum, or rated power. As the wind speed continues to increase, the power generated by the turbine remains constant until it eventually hits the cut-out speed and shuts down to prevent unnecessary strain on the rotor1.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/0/8/AAAFvAAADuuQ.jpg
According to industry standards, any turbine (along with its substructure foundation) should be capable of resisting extreme loading with a certain chance of return period caused by storm winds, waves, and currents.
Active research is being conducted to better assess hurricane-induced risk on offshore wind farms as hurricanes have not been an issue in the European previously-existing farms.

The Wind Turbine Industry has the situation under control and they'll plan accordingly and has already developed Wind Turbine technology that is ready for Hurricane Alley.

Plus Wind Turbine offers plenty of Green Energy, and the more we built along the coast, the more we sap energy out of ANY hurricane that comes towards the US coast. Ergo lowering the intensity of any Hurricane.

That's a Win/Win situation.

Popcorn2000 posted...

In Star Trek we created giant nets to stop tornados

Well, we're not at Star Trek level of tech, so we deal with it using the tech we have.

Gusts of up to 128 mph? Yeah that wont last very long.

Lets see, one of the largest off shore wind farms in the world, the Hornsea Project 1, covers an area larger than Philadelphia, took 4 years to build, and cost a whopping 4.2 billion. This project has a grand total of 165 wind turbines. And definitely not the newer expensive turbines which could survive 128 mph wind.

The video says tens of thousands of turbines would be required to effect a hurricane (which I think is low probably hundreds of thousands to have any actual effect), this is going to take a very very long time and a ton of money and these would have to be stacked basically right next to each other to take up the smallest area possible, meters apart from each other to basically make a wall (hopefully the ocean floor in such a large area is flat and wants to play ball).

Then we get into maintenance on the things, which is extremely expensive, especially being in a hurricane hotspot. You keep posting things about the turbines, but the wind towers themselves can only withstand 175 mph, not the 200+ you can see in a big storm. So every big storm we see 10%-20% minimum (look how easy current off shore wind farms get damaged, that are deliberately put as far from hurricanes as possible) of these at least with minor damage to the blades, or catastrophic damage to the whole tower. Now we need to go fix tens of thousands of windmills before the next storm hits. I cant even fathom the amount of man power and capital that would take.

Yeah, just 5 minutes of thinking and you realize using a wind farm to slow down a hurricane is just pure science fiction.

Heres an idea even better though that I know you will love. Plastic Roadways!!!

https://youtu.be/IQW6j4Xhrfo

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Gusts of up to 128 mph? Yeah that wont last very long.

Lets see, one of the largest off shore wind farms in the world, the Hornsea Project 1, covers an area larger than Philadelphia, took 4 years to build, and cost a whopping 4.2 billion. This project has a grand total of 165 wind turbines. And definitely not the newer expensive turbines which could survive 128 mph wind.

The video says tens of thousands of turbines would be required to effect a hurricane (which I think is low probably hundreds of thousands to have any actual effect), this is going to take a very very long time and a ton of money and these would have to be stacked basically right next to each other to take up the smallest area possible, meters apart from each other to basically make a wall (hopefully the ocean floor in such a large area is flat and wants to play ball).

Then we get into maintenance on the things, which is extremely expensive, especially being in a hurricane hotspot. You keep posting things about the turbines, but the wind towers themselves can only withstand 175 mph, not the 200+ you can see in a big storm. So every big storm we see 10%-20% minimum (look how easy current off shore wind farms get damaged, that are deliberately put as far from hurricanes as possible) of these at least with minor damage to the blades, or catastrophic damage to the whole tower. Now we need to go fix tens of thousands of windmills before the next storm hits. I cant even fathom the amount of man power and capital that would take.

Yeah, just 5 minutes of thinking and you realize using a wind farm to slow down a hurricane is just pure science fiction.

US launches program to boost floating wind turbines
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/09/us-launches-program-to-boost-floating-wind-turbines/
Most of the West Coast will need floating hardware to harvest offshore wind.

Too late, we're already investing ALOT of money into offshore wind turbines.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

US launches program to boost floating wind turbines
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/09/us-launches-program-to-boost-floating-wind-turbines/
Most of the West Coast will need floating hardware to harvest offshore wind.

Too late, we're already investing ALOT of money into offshore wind turbines.

We arent investing money into wind turbines to stop hurricanes though. Which is probably why they want to put those on the WEST coast, where hurricanes are extremely rare.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

We arent investing money into wind turbines to stop hurricanes though. Which is probably why they want to put those on the WEST coast, where hurricanes are extremely rare.

I never said they were to "Stop Hurricanes", that's fundamentally impossible. A side benefit of the massive wind farms along our coast & off-shore is to just "Reducing the Hurricanes Intensity". That's all.

The primary purpose is to generate power along the US coast line where the vast majority of people live.

Having LOTs of Wind Farms provide Green Energy for us and I think that's worth it.

Imagine how much power we can capture if the US coast line was dotted with dense Windfarms across the coast for countless miles deep into our territorial economic zone.

The amount of energy we can generate.

Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...

I never said they were to "Stop Hurricanes", that's fundamentally impossible. A side benefit of the massive wind farms along our coast & off-shore is to just "Reducing the Hurricanes Intensity". That's all.

The primary purpose is to generate power along the US coast line where the vast majority of people live.

Having LOTs of Wind Farms provide Green Energy for us and I think that's worth it.

Imagine how much power we can capture if the US coast line was dotted with dense Windfarms across the coast for countless miles deep into our territorial economic zone.

The amount of energy we can generate.

Sounds great, except for the reducing a hurricanes intensity part, that is just not possible, which is what the original Stanford video was about

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Sounds great, except for the reducing a hurricanes intensity part, that is just not possible, which is what the original Stanford video was about

I have plenty of faith in Standfords scientific accumen & their simulations.

Along with modern engineering technology / material sciences and the Wind Turbine Industry's efforts to make Hurricane resistant Wind Turbines.

So let's leave it at that.

We'll agree to disagree.