Current Events > Super Mario 64 has such a shit camera.

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It was OK when 3D was still new.

I love Mario 64 to death but...

Yes, yes it is. That lakitu guy needs to be fired.

That's not how you spell Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask.

The last time I played it, I was like, "I don't remember the camera fighting me this much."

It's been over 20 years and software engineers still can't figure out a good 3D platformer camera

I'm sorry, username can't copyright

TC should check out the "official" decompiled port. Runs like a dream, has support for add-ons and mods, and has near-perfect customizable controls (and camera).

I'd say it was good when it came out, but defo bad camera for today's standards.

confession time, SM64's bizarre control scheme has always filtered me

FL81 posted...

confession time, SM64's bizarre control scheme has always filtered me

What makes it bizarre?
Move with stick, jump with A, punch/grab with B, crouch with Z.

Everything else is camera (C, L/R, D-pad)

64's camera is pretty bad but you mostly don't notice until you play romhacks that have the default camera still in imo

it's clear they knew the limitations of what they were working with and designed levels accordingly but you can't say the same for the fans

Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...

It was OK when 3D was still new.

No, it wasn't OK then, either. That shit frustrated me back in the day, too.

Tbh can't think of a single third person 64 game that had a good camera

Rexdragon125 posted...

It's been over 20 years and software engineers still can't figure out a good 3D platformer camera

Spyro

SM64 essentially pioneered the concept of a third person 3D camera, so it'd be ridiculous to expect it to be as good as modern camera systems.

kirbymuncher posted...

64's camera is pretty bad but you mostly don't notice until you play romhacks that have the default camera still in imo

it's clear they knew the limitations of what they were working with and designed levels accordingly but you can't say the same for the fans

Yeah, there are a few places in the game where the camera is annoying, but for the most part, they give enough space for the camera to be functional.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Tbh can't think of a single third person 64 game that had a good camera

Obviously this is difficult to do with the N64 controller, but any game that had a button to put the camera behind you did it right

Smashingpmkns posted...

Tbh can't think of a single third person 64 game that had a good camera

Banjo Tooie did, or at least a significantly better camera than 64

Super Mario 64 was basically a proof of concept experiment for console 3D platforming. Compared to its era, it was a mindshatteringly great game.

But yes, it has aged. Not Goldeneye 007 aged, but still aged.

https://youtu.be/tKIiiSd7DgM

K181 posted...

Super Mario 64 was basically a proof of concept experiment for console 3D platforming. Compared to its era, it was a mindshatteringly great game.

Seriously, just about the only other fully 3D platformer at the time was.... Bubsy: Furbitten Planet
>__>

Honestly, if anything, it's actually considerably more amazing that Mario 64 is still playable, when you consider what 3D games were like in 1996.

DarkRoast posted...

Honestly, if anything, it's actually considerably more amazing that Mario 64 is still playable, when you consider what 3D games were like in 1996.

Crash Bandicoot stands by in the shadows

TBH Crash Bandicoot shouldnt be left out of this discussion because its linear

SMAP- posted...

Spyro

i have no problem with spyro's camera but i know some reviewers took down points for the remasters because of their camera being considered archaic

unless ur talking about the legend of spyro series. i never played them xd

It's not ideal, but for its time the SM64 camera was incredibly innovative. The idea to tie it to a character following Mario around like a documentary filmmaker was a stroke of genius, and it explained some of the wonkiness in an in-universe way.

SMAP- posted...

Spyro

Honestly I don't like the camera for Spyro. It sits in a fixed position aligned to the base characters head. So if Spyro turns his head left the camera will move left, etc. But since the camera is sits above Spyro the camera is prone to moving along with the player movements making the camera spin as Spyro moves. It's more noticable if Spyro charges in any direction suddenly really fast and the camera won't keep up force you to view the character model in a weird angle and potentially bumping into anything within your Blindspot.

Something like that. Spyro 1 and 2 where like that in the original ps1

I don't recall Mario 64's camera ever giving me trouble. >_>

I just wish Mario 3D Allstars got the Snes Mario allstar treatment. Spruce them up with some graphical upgrades and camera systems.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Tbh can't think of a single third person 64 game that had a good camera

I never remember having a problem with the camera in Conker's Bad Fur Day, and it had multiple changes in playstyle to work around as well.

the game gets a free pass for the bugs and camera since it was a pioneer of 3d gaming

the camera in that forsaken clock level

I liked it as a kid but when I grew up and played it, it was fun, but the camera has massive issues.