Current Events > I don't get why some people say the rich and wealthy mooch off the government

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

Tell me when a rich person pays taxes or livable wages to their lowest paid employees

they dont have to tbh

If they dont like the pay, dont work for them

Prismsblade posted...

I don't think anyone says that, especially since they pay far more in taxs then what they receive from the goverment compared to normal folk.

That's not true, but only if you care about proportions.

remember when the fuckers responsible for the 07-08 recession got punished for basically fucking the entire world?

oh wait, they didnt.

TetsuoS2 posted...

remember when the fuckers responsible for the 07-08 recession got punished for basically fucking the entire world?

oh wait, they didnt.

Wait, how did they screw the entire world?

It was peoples choices to take predatory loans out. All the rich did was give them the chance to do so.

ReDaZnDraGoN97 posted...

Wait, how did they screw the entire world?

It was peoples choices to take predatory loans out. All the rich did was give them the chance to do so.

So you feel the rich lying to the people about the ease of paying back the mortgages didn't play any role in people deciding to take the loans? And the rich fabricating documents and covering up was the fault of the ordinary people?

ReDaZnDraGoN97 posted...

Wait, how did they screw the entire world?

It was peoples choices to take predatory loans out. All the rich did was give them the chance to do so.

Hope you don't believe in arresting drug dealers.

Dan_Haren- posted...

I don't know how you arrived at any these interpretations of my posts. Like, I literally never said most of those things. I never said he worked 24/7. I never said luck is minimal. I never said ANYBODY can be financial successful. And it doesn't matter if I'm trying to state fact or opinion, its the internet, nothing should be assumed fact until proven otherwise.

To summarize my opinion, its that I think there are a large number of people who simply don't have what it takes to take their career to the next level. "what it takes" involves taking risks, ambition, motivation, pushing your work ethic to the next level, and the know-how. Alot of people lack the know-how, so it takes the rest of those things to break that barrier. The post above you is a perfect example of someone who broke through the barriers and took his career to the next level.

Hard work is a very vague term, and thats why I keep emphasizing work smart and invest in the future. You may be the greatest construction worker of all time, be able to do the job of 3 people by yourself. You may get a small raise from time to time, but the job ends not far from where it started. What I propose is, look for ways to truly advance your career. Save up some money, buy your own tools, learn some new skills, and maybe do carpentry work on the side, start your own business. Take a loan if you need to to start up your business. As you work hard and your name gets out, you get more business. Then hire some employees. Keep expanding. Next thing you know you have a successful small business, make great money, and the sky is the limit if you want to keep expanding. Ultimately its your skills that will make your money, so invest all your free time early on to learning these new skills, so you can eventually breakout. Does that make sense?

These are not fantasy-world examples. This is what people do in this country all the time.

I think I follow your argument, but I'm not sure it is logically sound.
1) First, when you say there is a "large number of people who simply don't have what it takes to take their career to the next level", how large a group is this? I ask because if 10% of a group do or don't do something, is it the biggest need to discuss?
2) Your "what it takes" seems to be putting a lot/most of the responsibility on that person (ambition, taking risk, seeking out knowledge, etc) - am I correct?
3) "so you can eventually breakout" - this might be the biggest sticking point in your argument. You are saying that if people follow X Y Z they are almost guaranteed to own businesses etc. IF you are using "can" to say "it might happen", then doesn't investing all your free time in your suggestions seem a bit riskier?

ReDaZnDraGoN97 posted...

they dont have to tbh

If they dont like the pay, dont work for them

So the problem with abuse and exploitation is that the victims don't walk away? That's your opinion?

Some of the rich and wealthy ARE the government.

ClockworkHare posted...

Some of the rich and wealthy ARE the government.

Some of the government are leeches as well. See any government in the Bible Belt

How?

All the money they have are from tax revenue

Ruvan22 posted...

So you feel the rich lying to the people about the ease of paying back the mortgages didn't play any role in people deciding to take the loans? And the rich fabricating documents and covering up was the fault of the ordinary people?

This sounds harsh but they still could have said no and thought about the long term before deciding to take out those loans

Deutschenlied posted...

So the problem with abuse and exploitation is that the victims don't walk away? That's your opinion?

For the most part yeah. It's useless to work if the job isn't paying enough for a living.

ReDaZnDraGoN97 posted...

This sounds harsh but they still could have said no and thought about the long term before deciding to take out those loans

You still don't believe in arresting drug dealers, right?

The buyers could have said no, there's no legal or ethical violation according to your logic.

ReDaZnDraGoN97 posted...

This sounds harsh but they still could have said no and thought about the long term before deciding to take out those loans

How exactly could they have thought about long term consequences if they were lied to about them?
Also, you never answered how Bezos going into space was him working 24/7

AzNDarkSamurai posted...

They bring in more money than anyone in this country and im sure they worked hard for all of it

They write off fancy vacations and designer clothes

So what? Wouldnt yall do that too if you had the ability? Who wants to pay more taxes if they can help it?

You are apart of the problem thinking like that. You see, Ill gladly take pay cuts so others can live. Look at people like Philip DeFranco - multi-millionaire and covers up what water hes drinking because hes not getting paid to drink it. He could easily help that company out by giving promotion, but hes a greedy asshole