Current Events > FF8's leveling gimmick is dumb

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1. Acquire Meltdown
2. Use Meltdown
3. ????
4. Profit

idk what that is... i always go to the islands closest to hell and have everyone 100 in 1 hour.

Robot2600 posted...

idk what that is... i always go to the islands closest to hell and have everyone 100 in 1 hour.

Which is fucking dumb as enemies level up with you and you make some end game bosses near impossible.

spikethedevil posted...

Which is fucking dumb as enemies level up with you and you make some end game bosses near impossible.

Not if you use meltdown.

Meltdown, have 100 ultima junctioned to whatever higher stat, win.

no it's not fucking dumb because only their HP levels up with you and they all have shit progressions. their stats DO NOT GET STRONGER.

so yea. i read the bradygames strategy guide so i fucking know shit, okay.

Gameplay was def a main reason why I stopped playing after a dozen or so hours.

Levels don't matter in FF8.

I like it because you can do a Level 1 run easily

what's your problem? you don't like spending 25 minutes awkwardly drawing magic from a boss fight instead of playing normally and then another 2 hours inside the menus trying to remember everything and assign the correct setups to everyone only to not understand why the curagas you have junctioned all of a sudden dont feel as strong as they used to? it's like u dont even like video games.

don't need to use meltdown to win...game's not impossible hard lol

spikethedevil posted...

some end game bosses near impossible.

Doomtrain > any ff8 bosses

spikethedevil posted...

Which is fucking dumb as enemies level up with you and you make some end game bosses near impossible.

It is fucking crazy to me that it is year 2022 and people still think this dumb shit.

as if everyone isnt just keeping squall at 24% health and hitting LIONHEART BB

The only thing I remember leveling doing in FF8 was making Omega Weapon take longer to kill cause each level added like 10k health to him. His STR and MAG stats maxed at 255 rather early.

EDIT: I do also think I recall it changed the enemies loot tiers, attack patterns, and spell tiers. In the end, it was whatever. The game was easy and a stupid leveling system or not did not change that.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197343-final-fantasy-viii/faqs/30753

basically all enemies have linear progressions but your stats are exponential so you always outpace the monsters.

ironically, it's one of the only times that "monsters getting stronger with you" was done well. its every other game (bethesda) that fucks it up.

let us also not forget that FF8 lets you turn off random encounters if you want. just 100% turn those off.

awesome game.

Robot2600 posted...

as if everyone isnt just keeping squall at 24% health and hitting LIONHEART BB

Don't have to. Invincible Moon locks your status so by casting Aura+Invincible Moon you can get Aura to last 5x longer than usual while being invincible and spamming Lionheart at 100% HP

Robot2600 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197343-final-fantasy-viii/faqs/30753

basically all enemies have linear progressions but your stats are exponential so you always outpace the monsters.

ironically, it's one of the only times that "monsters getting stronger with you" was done well. its every other game (bethesda) that fucks it up.

I don't recall this being correct. I believe without junctions, monsters would actually outpace the character growths. Junctions just made your characters busted that it didn't matter.

DoDontTry posted...

Not if you use meltdown.

And if there's anything a GameFaqs user knows about using...

eaglei3 posted...

I don't recall this being correct. I believe without junctions, some monsters would actually outpace the character growths. Junctions just made your characters busted that it didn't matter.

no ur right, you have basically 0 in all stats without junctions; the rate at which the game will give you access to new tiers and spells, tho, is always going to outpace the enemies.

Robot2600 posted...

no ur right, you have basically 0 in all stats without junctions; the rate at which the game will give you access to new tiers and spells, tho, is always going to outpace the enemies.

Wrong.

Cards.

you can get 100 death before leaving balamb garden as soon as you walk outside every character has 6000 HP enemies only do like a couple hundred damage

Meltdown-Aura-Renzokuken/Duel

Tyranthraxus posted...

Wrong.

Cards.

you can get 100 death before leaving balamb garden as soon as you walk outside every character has 6000 HP enemies only do like a couple hundred damage

u say i am wrong but you are agreeing with me. i am saying you can always be stronger than the monsters and that is also what you are saying.

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That was, by far, the 2nd worst part of the game.

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but dont u just swap the entire setup? another benefit on this game.

when i first played as a kid i really didn't gaf about junctioning, i just used GF's. you all know what happened next :)

Robot2600 posted...

u say i am wrong but you are agreeing with me. i am saying you can always be stronger than the monsters and that is also what you are saying.

Sorry I thought you said the monsters would increase at faster rate than you get spells which might actually happen if you only use draw.

spikethedevil posted...

Which is fucking dumb as enemies level up with you and you make some end game bosses near impossible.

The story bosses have level caps so they eventually stop keeping up with you
And you can be level 100 from the start and still overpower the bosses it's not a hard game and no boss will ever be impossible

yusiko posted...

The story bosses have level caps so they eventually stop keeping up with you
And you can be level 100 from the start and still overpower the bosses it's not a hard game and no boss will ever be impossible

Interesting.

Or the good ole' banish a few of your characters to the permadeath/bench slot, throw the level scaling out of wack

Smiffwilm posted...

And if there's anything a GameFaqs user knows about using...

lmao

Back when it first came out I used to just set the cursor to memory and then turn on my turbo button and tape it down and read a book while it would draw spells.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Back when it first came out I used to just set the cursor to memory and then turn on my turbo button and tape it down and read a book while it would draw spells.

i hope you learned that you never need to draw except to get a few GFs and its the card game where you get your magic from

Triple Triad made you busted right outta the gate.

My box of infinite magic, CC Card Group

Back then, there was a thing about doing runs beating FF8 on level 8 or whatever the starting levels was

spikethedevil posted...

Which is fucking dumb as enemies level up with you and you make some end game bosses near impossible.

Huh
That's BS.

I beat that game so many times beating every super boss in the game. Its not easy but its not near impossible.

FF8 is probably my favorite of the series after FFIII on SNES.

KINDERFELD posted...

Huh
That's BS.

I beat that game so many times beating every super boss in the game. Its not easy but its not near impossible.

FF8 is probably my favorite of the series after FFIII on SNES.

Even on lvl 100 the only bosses that would prob kill u is Ultima and Omega since they have an instant kill move with light pillar but that move will kill u if ur lvl 1 or 100. Terra Break from omega is another killer but unlike light pillar I think u can actually use defend to negate the damage. I think the only reg enemy to ever kill me was ruby dragon with that party wiping breath attack. Other than that I did find the game rather easy.

Ruby Dragon Breath is surely among the top five strongest attacks in the game, but it is really only threatening if you ignore VIT. Give yourself auto-protect and max out VIT and you'll take around 200 damage. With auto-protect and max HP, Terra Break will never wipe you out even without Defend. You can make everyone survive easily by adding Zombie to the mix, though it's easier to just Defend at that point. Either way, Omega is so slow that it is easy to kill before it gets that far.

spikethedevil posted...

Which is fucking dumb as enemies level up with you and you make some end game bosses near impossible.

There's not a single boss in the game that's impossible at 100.

Zaltera posted...

Ruby Dragon Breath is surely among the top five strongest attacks in the game, but it is really only threatening if you ignore VIT. Give yourself auto-protect and max out VIT and you'll take around 200 damage. With auto-protect and max HP, Terra Break will never wipe you out even without Defend. You can make everyone survive easily by adding Zombie to the mix, though it's easier to just Defend at that point. Either way, Omega is so slow that it is easy to kill before it gets that far.

Yea i didnt notice till later that Ruby dragons breath attack counted as a physical attack instead of magic. Back when I was new at the game I almost feared running into him and kept my lvl low just to avoid him upgrading to that attack. Now hes pretty easy, just a beefy boy with alot of HP. I remember one time trivializing Omega when Selphie's The End popped up......

Tyranthraxus posted...

Wrong.

Cards.

you can get 100 death before leaving balamb garden as soon as you walk outside every character has 6000 HP enemies only do like a couple hundred damage

To be fair Final Fantasy games arent exactly known for being hard and most of them can be broken fairly easily if you know what you are doing.