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Smackems
09/21/22 7:52:42 PM
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Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...
That was a "Emergency Improv Move" used on enemies who wore heavy armor and you didn't have a "War Hammer" near by and you needed to start wrecking the enemies armor with the sword you have.

It was never a primary move.
Knock the snot of of their head and move in, half swording into the armpit or eyes

Or keep knocking the snot out of them till they submit

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FigureOfSpeech
09/21/22 7:52:52 PM
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Smackems posted...
Nodachi as an equivalent. They were sometimes used to cut horses down

I've been wanting to see one of those featured in Forged in Fire. I haven't watched any of the current season but so far I haven't seen one. Closest was some katana-like sword that was slightly longer than a katana but had a handle that was like twice as long or more. Can't remember what it was called.

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Smackems
09/21/22 7:54:23 PM
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I've been wanting to see one of those featured in Forged in Fire. I haven't watched any of the current season but so far I haven't seen one. Closest was some katana-like sword that was slightly longer than a katana but had a handle that was like twice as long or more. Can't remember what it was called.
Japan had some really cool shit

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Crazyman93
09/21/22 7:54:27 PM
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furb posted...
but are their blades folded a thousand times hmm
No because Europe wasn't dealing with trash steel.

Smackems posted...
And the katana was no better overall and was perhaps a bit worse because of length

On average
There's also the fact that if someone with a Katana somehow ended up facing a knight in full armor, they'd probably be screwed. Katana work well enough against Japanese armors, but when you're facing a guy covered head to toe in metal, it's not gonna work too well. Of course, weapon and armor development was and always will be a literal arms race. "I need protection from that" turns to "I need a weapon to pierce that new armor", and then loops back again. Right up until the development of usable firearms where steel plate armor arguably was worse than nothing. Of course, we're really still in the cycle, it's just "find thing to stop bullets and still be able to move" is really fucking hard.

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Swords are decentish at every role, but require more training to use. But yeah, if you're doing that, you've probably encountered a problem at some point. But it's a nice option to have since as far as I'm aware swords were usually weighted toward the grip to make them easier to control, so it would make an okay hammer.

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Crimsoness
09/21/22 7:55:13 PM
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They say the best weapon if you're looking to crush armor is the original xbox

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 7:55:51 PM
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You should see the modern chinese Jian reproductions

They are REALLY long, light weight, and nimble.

A modern recreation is by LK Chen is amazing.

https://lkchensword.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OBpCb_0oxE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QXxWxti6ks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5n_g5vwQdA

And they're pretty cost effective for what they are.

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CyricZ
09/21/22 7:58:49 PM
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What about Princess Bride?

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 7:58:51 PM
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FigureOfSpeech posted...
damn he struggled with it more than I even expected. And way back in the day when FF7 came out and I was a teenager, my first thought was "that sword would be way too heavy to wield effectively"
You would be correct.

Surprisingly, Sephiroths' ridiculously long Katana would be far more practical than Cloud's Buster Sword.

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 8:01:15 PM
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Smackems posted...
And the katana was no better overall and was perhaps a bit worse because of length

On average
The Katana's main advantage was that it was a little more forgiving if you screwed up the edge alignment on contact with your target than the average European Long Sword.

That's about it. There were plenty of down sides to having a Single Edge Blade where a double-edged blade like the European Long Sword would offer plenty of options in moves that you couldn't do properly on a single Edge Katana.

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Smackems
09/21/22 8:04:00 PM
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Crazyman93 posted...
No because Europe wasn't dealing with trash steel.

There's also the fact that if someone with a Katana somehow ended up facing a knight in full armor, they'd probably be screwed. Katana work well enough against Japanese armors, but when you're facing a guy covered head to toe in metal, it's not gonna work too well. Of course, weapon and armor development was and always will be a literal arms race. "I need protection from that" turns to "I need a weapon to pierce that new armor", and then loops back again. Right up until the development of usable firearms where steel plate armor arguably was worse than nothing. Of course, we're really still in the cycle, it's just "find thing to stop bullets and still be able to move" is really fucking hard.

Swords are decentish at every role, but require more training to use. But yeah, if you're doing that, you've probably encountered a problem at some point. But it's a nice option to have since as far as I'm aware swords were usually weighted toward the grip to make them easier to control, so it would make an okay hammer.
Well also japanese weapons were made to use against Japanese armor or lack of. They would have had adapted if they needed to against full plate, they just didn't really encounter it

I know you probably already know that, I'm just saying

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 8:05:32 PM
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You should start your own HEMA club in your area with your husband.

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Smackems
09/21/22 8:05:43 PM
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Too short tho really. And even sabers were short used on horseback.. but that's a bit outta my study when they started really doing that so idk

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Smackems
09/21/22 8:06:20 PM
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Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...
You should start your own HEMA club in your area with your husband.
Do it in central MS so I can go

Just drop everything and move to this shithole

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Smackems
09/21/22 8:07:48 PM
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Draw techniques get too much love. If you're drawing your sword and the other guy already has his out at the ready, you're at a disadvantage in time

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FigureOfSpeech
09/21/22 8:08:57 PM
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looked it up. I think it was a Nagimaki. The ones shown on wikipedia have handles a bit longer than what I remember on the show, but they impose specific requirements on the show.

also based on your knowledge and background, your username makes a lot of sense >_>

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 8:09:01 PM
#71:


FigureOfSpeech posted...
I've been wanting to see one of those featured in Forged in Fire. I haven't watched any of the current season but so far I haven't seen one. Closest was some katana-like sword that was slightly longer than a katana but had a handle that was like twice as long or more. Can't remember what it was called.
Man At Arms - Bleach; Ichigo's Zangetsu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88MmvSkI1ic

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DespondentDeity
09/21/22 8:11:14 PM
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https://youtu.be/qlX6RwOz0TU

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Smackems
09/21/22 8:12:40 PM
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Also ninja are mostly a myth

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 8:15:48 PM
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Depends on the quality of your mass production process.

If it was WW2 era, the quality of the mass produced Imperial Japanese Armry Katana's were pretty trash compared to classical Katanas made by proper Sword Smiths.

But that's the price you pay for "Mass Production", you had to cut back on quality to get quantity.

In the modern day, with modern metallurgy, we could make decent mass produced Katana's; but they won't ever beat out a properly made Katana using modern Metallurgy and Material Science / Chemistry / 21st Century Sword Smithing techniques.

If Money/Price isn't a concern; Titanium blade with Tungsten Carbide edge would be the ultimate materials that are within reach for the average rich person without special governmental access to harder raw materials.

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 8:19:09 PM
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You really should check out the LK Chen made modern reproduction Jians.

They're SOOO light weight with incredible balance, also CRAZY reach.

I think you would love them, and owning one is pretty affordable in comparison to other sword prices.

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Evening_Dragon
09/21/22 8:24:36 PM
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North Jersey is in desperate need of more HEMA. And blacksmiths. Dragons, also, arguably.

All I can find is overly expensive, and there's an unfortunate white supremacy overlap.

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 8:24:50 PM
#79:


Smackems posted...
Also ninja are mostly a myth
I think modern media portrays Ninja like Naruto, which is complete & utter fantasy.

Real Ninjas were closer to 007 / Mission Impossible, and blended into the environment / local folks.

They were mostly spies dressed as local folks with only occaisional assasin missions.

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 8:26:55 PM
#80:


Smackems posted...
Draw techniques get too much love. If you're drawing your sword and the other guy already has his out at the ready, you're at a disadvantage in time
It's a bit more complicated.

There are situations where Iaijutsu / Batojutsu is faster than traditional sword techniques.

But it depends on the situation / training / combat scenario.

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 8:28:02 PM
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They sell modern Tactical Gladius' that are pretty robust cutters.

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CyricZ
09/21/22 8:32:01 PM
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Holy cow your username suddenly makes sense and it took me all day to see it. #_#

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 8:32:37 PM
#84:


If Light Sabers were real, the optimum blade martial arts for the Light Saber would be Fencing & Kendo.

Those two styles have the most applicability to a Light Saber that doesn't naturally have any sort of edge.

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Scohen
09/21/22 8:33:43 PM
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Katana are a subject of a lot myth. They werent that good.

look it up, Japan did not have access to the same quality of steel that europe did. Japanese steel at the time was called tamahagane, which in Europe is basically called pig steel.

the Japanese craftsmanship was far superior, and they developed certain techniques to fold the steel many, many times to take out the high carbon content. These masterful craftsmen had special methods unique to each forgery, where they mixed layers of soft steel (flexible, not brittle, but loses edge) with layers of hard steel (rigid, it keeps its edge but its brittle) and added clay to the edge when quenching the sword to add a slight curvature and the natural darker pattern in the edge, called the hamon.

despite all of the above, katanas were still less sturdy and heavier than comparable euro swords, by luck of mere geography (access to better steel).

a katana made with modern methods and high quality steel would be better
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St0rmFury
09/21/22 8:37:11 PM
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Let's talk about curved swords now.

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 8:37:37 PM
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Yup. I think you would appreciate this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAzY28C8Syc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp-D-488Yxk

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TentacleDemon
09/21/22 8:43:13 PM
#90:


Crimsoness posted...
Katanas can cut right through a knight's armor

This was meant to be a joke, right? You don't honestly believe this, do you?


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FigureOfSpeech
09/21/22 8:45:50 PM
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yeah I hadn't heard of it before the show.

A lot of my favorite weapons are the more ornate and exotic ones. I've seen some African ones that are just really neat and look super gimmicky but they are incredibly effective in how they're meant to function. Polearms like halberds, naginatas and partizans I like a lot too. For swords specifically, I like the wave-edge ones like kris or flamberge style. Anything with a fancy handguard (especially basket style) is also really aesthetically pleasing to me.


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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 8:46:49 PM
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St0rmFury posted...
Let's talk about curved swords now.

Shadiversity examines Kenshin's Sakabatou (Reverse Bladed Sword)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejB1LvfHEjE

Man At Arms - Makes a replica of Kenshins Sakabatou
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8euUepDo5w

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ROBANN_88
09/21/22 8:47:44 PM
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So, about the "Katana had inferior steel, so they had to fold it" thing
Is it that the iron located in the area was metallurgically bad, or was it that their smelting technique was bad?

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Smackems
09/21/22 8:48:18 PM
#95:


Kamen_Rider_Blade posted...
I think modern media portrays Ninja like Naruto, which is complete & utter fantasy.

Real Ninjas were closer to 007 / Mission Impossible, and blended into the environment / local folks.

They were mostly spies dressed as local folks with only occaisional assasin missions.
Bingo. The assassinations are iffy though. If they did it a lot they probably didn't get caught. They would try to make it look like an accident like any hitman would

I don't think they were called ninja either. Shinobi maybe. But probably just... Undercover guy

Lastly the assassinations probably weren't recorded much, IF they were successful in making them look accidental

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CyricZ
09/21/22 8:50:27 PM
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I can't do cartwheels without platemail. >.>

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
09/21/22 8:50:28 PM
#97:


Smackems posted...
Bingo. The assassinations are iffy though. If they did it a lot they probably didn't get caught. They would try to make it look like an accident like any hitman would
Yup, VERY RARELY was there ever any "Overt Assasinations".

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FigureOfSpeech
09/21/22 8:52:56 PM
#98:


Smackems posted...
If they did it a lot they probably didn't get caught.

but when they did get caught and had to like, flee from authorities, they did at least run at a sharp forward-leaning angle with their arms outstretched behind their backs right?

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Smackems
09/21/22 8:53:40 PM
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Also knights and samurai were assholes. Many anyway. Maybe moreso for samurai

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Smackems
09/21/22 8:54:01 PM
#100:


FigureOfSpeech posted...
but when they did get caught and had to like, flee from authorities, they did at least run at a sharp forward-leaning angle with their arms outstretched behind their backs right?
Depends on if there were aliens to see

how ya like that throwback

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