Current Events > What is a good doordash tip?

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A good tip is whatever you feel like paying as it's not required. Nor should you feel obligated to tip as if it's required. It's the employers job to pay their employees, not you the customer.

This tipping culture in America is beyond counter intuitive. The question of "what's a good tip" should not even exist.

Tip how much you want to tip.

NatsuSama posted...

A good tip is whatever you feel like paying.

This tipping culture in America is beyond counter intuitive. The question of "what's a good tip" should not even exist.

Thank godless republicans for stagnant shitty wages in America

CADE_FOSTER posted...

Thank godless republicans for stagnant shitty wages in America

I'd agree, point still stands it's not the customers responsibility to tip. Tipping culture plays in favor of paying shitty wages.

Why pay a good wage when your customers will happily foot the salary budget cost for the company.

They arent going to change without an act from the gov punishing waiters and waitresses isnt the right move

MICHALECOLE posted...

I dont take notice of things like that just seeing a douchey new user and thinking of the last doucher to get purged

No, just not a bad person

how am I a bad person? I always tip reasonably.

I just get annoyed entitled drivers like redazn who act as if we owed them tips instead of demanding fair wages

NatsuSama posted...

Why pay a good wage when your customers will happily foot the salary budget cost for the company.

You say that as if we wouldn't be paying it anyway. That money would still come from us. They'd just charge us more for the service and now the optional tip is a mandatory service fee.

TentacleDemon posted...

You say that as if we wouldn't be paying it anyway. That money would still come from us. They'd just charge us more for the service and now the optional tip is a mandatory service fee.

Okay?

I'm cool with paying more for my food if that's what it cost to buy the food. If I want to eat at that restaurant, that's what it costs the eat there.

A tip however is NOT required regardless if the restaurant pays its staff or not.

That responsibility is on the employers.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

They arent going to change without an act from the gov punishing waiters and waitresses isnt the right move

The only one punishing the employees are the employers.

If you WANT to tip, that's all fine and well. However you are not required to tip, and it's absolutely bonkers the citizens of the US embraces one of the very reasons employers refuse to pay it's own staff.

Companies should be paying their own staff, not expecting their customers to do it for them with the guilt trip excuse.

Again, employees should be demanding pay from their employers, not the customers.

Scohen posted...

how am I a bad person? I always tip reasonably.

I just get annoyed entitled drivers like redazn who act as if we owed them tips instead of demanding fair wages

the get a real job line isnt something a good person would say

to start

MICHALECOLE posted...

the get a real job line isnt something a good person would say

to start

it was in response to this:

not gonna lose money to deliver your food for $2. pick up your own damn food and dont mooch off my labor and gas.

which his totally what a good person would say. You sure didnt mind that

https://youtube.com/shorts/mkuHaRTJMiM?feature=share

You guys do realize that the entire service model for DD, UberEats, GrubHub, etc is entirely based on tipping right? The drivers are contractors. They depend on your tips to make a living. They dont get any benefits. They get a minimal flat rate. All you are doing by not tipping is hurting hard working people who are trying to make a living, same as you. If you dont like it, dont use the service.

Cleo_II posted...

You guys do realize that the entire service model for DD, UberEats, GrubHub, etc is entirely based on tipping right? The drivers are contractors. They depend on your tips to make a living. They dont get any benefits. They get a minimal flat rate. All you are doing by not tipping is hurting hard working people who are trying to make a living, same as you. If you dont like it, dont use the service.

I always tip. And I am not anti tip.

I am just against an attitude like this:

not gonna lose money to deliver your food for $2. pick up your own damn food and dont mooch off my labor and gas.

the model, like you said, is based around mooching. The same goes for restaurants and their $2 an hour wages.

Cleo_II posted...

You guys do realize that the entire service model for DD, UberEats, GrubHub, etc is entirely based on tipping right? The drivers are contractors. They depend on your tips to make a living. They dont get any benefits. They get a minimal flat rate. All you are doing by not tipping is hurting hard working people who are trying to make a living, same as you. If you dont like it, dont use the service.

You realize this model is ever so popular because these companies expect you to pick up the tab to pay their staff.

People need to stop with this, "you the customer is hurting these employees" nonsense. No, the employer is hurting them. The employer is the one not paying them and wishing a star that gullible saps will continually defend the practice with a guilt trip.

NatsuSama posted...

You realize this model is ever so popular because these companies expect you to pick up the tab to pay their staff.

People need to stop with this, "you the customer is hurting these employees" nonsense. No, the employer is hurting them. The employer is the one not paying them and wishing on a star that gullible saps will continually defend the practice with a guilt trip.

"Oh its you the customers punishing these hard working people, not us paying my staff shitty wages. Make sure you tip!"

Customers aren't required to tip. Employers know this yet voluntarily use this model anyway because they know tipping culture in America will embrace it, mitigating responsibility away from the company.

The only thing a customer is required to do is pay the actual fees of a restaurant or product.

And you arent required to use the service. Dont use it then bitch that youre supposed to tip drivers when its literally designed to work that way. Any other mental gymnastics you do around it is just an excuse to be a terrible human being to another human being trying to scrape by.

Cleo_II posted...

And you arent required to use the service. Dont use it then bitch that youre supposed to tip drivers when its literally designed to work that way. Any other mental gymnastics you do around it is just an excuse to be a terrible human being to another human being trying to scrape by.

Not how it works buddy.

You can complain about not getting a tip all you want. A customer isn't required to tip you. They are only required to pay what the restaurant or store charges.

So if a customer wants to use a service that is all they are required to pay regardless if you like it or not. Any designs you speak of is the employer tap dancing around not paying their own staff.

The staff working there needs to get angry at the employer paying a s***ty wage.

The only gymnastics here is defending the ass backwards practice that favors companies and corporations not paying their own employees. They have successfully brainwashed so many in America it's the customers responsibility or the customers the awful ones.

https://youtu.be/A6Y3JZ8z6yM

https://youtu.be/lzAxny6es74

NatsuSama posted...

Not how it works buddy.

You can complain about not getting a tip all you want. A customer isn't required to tip you. They are only required to pay what the restaurant or store charges.

So if a customer wants to use a service that is all they are required to pay regardless if you like it or not. Any designs you speak of is the employer tap dancing around not paying their own staff.

The staff working there needs to get angry at the employer paying a s***ty wage.

The only gymnastics here is defending the ass backwards practice that favors companies and corporations not paying their own employees. They have successfully brainwashed so many in America it's the customers responsibility or the customers the awful ones.

Drivers arent staff. They are contractors. Those apps are platforms for them to do business. Feel free not to tip but they also arent required to pick up your order so dont bitch that you dont get it on time or that its cold. Unlike restaurant servers, they dont get fired for not catering to entitled customers. You keep equating app drivers to restaurant staff and they arent nearly the same thing.

Why would you pay 10$ for a 10 minute drive?

Seriously, drive over and pick it up yourself, you'll save money by not being lazy.

Cleo_II posted...

Drivers arent staff. They are contractors. Those apps are platforms for them to do business. Feel free not to tip but they also arent required to pick up your order so dont bitch that you dont get it on time or that its cold. Unlike restaurant servers, they dont get fired for not catering to entitled customers. You keep equating app drivers to restaurant staff and they arent nearly the same thing.

You can spin the responsibility as much as you want away from DoorDash, Uber and etc.....it still falls on those companies paying the people they employ a shitty wage. Not me the customer.

They have brainwashed Americans into literally volunteering themselves as tribute to foot the companies/ corporations salary budget.

As for me equating these apps to restaurants, it should be equated. It doesn't matter who or how you are employed. Whatever the relationship is with the person signing your paycheck, it is that company employing you who has the responsibility to pay a proper wage.

As for the idea of me using Doordash or any of those apps. Lololol
I don't use those shitty apps. Even without tipping I could buy 2 sometimes 3 of the same meals after paying all of their charges and fees that I'm actually required to pay. I don't use those apps, and even if I bumped lost my mind and decided to, I wouldn't care if someone didn't take my order.

It is the responsibility of Doordash, Uber, Applebee's or company to pay their contractors, employees....WHOEVER is working for them..... a proper wage.

Even the roots of tipping is grounded is employers being slime bags. Its absurd so many go to bat to defend thus awful culture in the company/ corporations stead.

NatsuSama posted...

You can spin the responsibility as much as you want away from DoorDash, Uber and etc.....it still falls on those companies paying the people they employ a shitty wage. Not me the customer.

They have brainwashed Americans into literally volunteering themselves as tribute to foot the companies/ corporations salary budget.

As for me equating these apps to restaurants, it should be equated. It doesn't matter who or how you are employed. Whatever the relationship is with the person signing your paycheck, it is that company employing you who has the responsibility to pay a proper wage.

As for the idea of me using Doordash or any of those apps. Lololol
I don't use those shitty apps. Even without tipping I could buy 2 sometimes 3 of the same meals after paying all of their charges and fees that I'm actually required to pay. I don't use those apps, and even if I bumped lost my mind and decided to, I wouldn't care if someone didn't take my order.

It is the responsibility of Doordash, Uber, Applebee's or company to pay their contractors, employees....WHOEVER is working for them..... a proper wage.

Even the roots of tipping is grounded is employers being slime bags. Its absurd so many go to bat to defend thus awful culture in the company/ corporations stead.

well said.

if this slimeball culture is allowed to continue next thing you know you will have to tip your school teachers and work secretaries

Cleo_II posted...

You guys do realize that the entire service model for DD, UberEats, GrubHub, etc is entirely based on tipping right? The drivers are contractors. They depend on your tips to make a living. They dont get any benefits. They get a minimal flat rate. All you are doing by not tipping is hurting hard working people who are trying to make a living, same as you. If you dont like it, dont use the service.

Everyone loves contractors until its their turn to actually do something for them.

Also, there should be a stickied topic about tipping just to let the people who hate it get their rage out.

I work for tips for a living so I tip well every time out of the kindness of my heart.

I do think you should tip after You get your order, however. You should be rewarded for how efficiently you deliver an order. Not tip up front

"I'm just against the ENTITLEMENT of it!"

Naw, shut the fuck up. Both sides of the exchange are entirely aware of the social contract involved in tipped work. It's not "entitlement".

NatsuSama posted...

They have brainwashed Americans into literally volunteering themselves as tribute to foot the companies/ corporations salary budget.

You do understand that the end result is the same, right? That money all comes from us, regardless of it being a gartuity or just higher menu prices. As it is now, I give the tip directly the service staff. You want us to pay higher menu prices and give that extra to the employer so they can then give it the employee. We end up paying the same amount either way. Actually, we'd probably be paying more if it went the way you want it to. Because the restaurant owners would absolutely take the opportunity to add a little extra for themselves in those price increases.

We end up in the same place at the time but you're arguing about how important it is that we take a green car instead of a brown one.

A good doordash tip is to not use it and save yourself a ton of money getting it yourself.

TentacleDemon posted...

You do understand that the end result is the same, right? That money all comes from us, regardless of it being a gartuity or just higher menu prices. As it is now, I give the tip directly the service staff. You want us to pay higher menu prices and give that extra to the employer so they can then give it the employee. We end up paying the same amount either way. Actually, we'd probably be paying more if it went the way you want it to. Because the restaurant owners would absolutely take the opportunity to add a little extra for themselves in those price increases.

We end up in the same place at the time but you're arguing about how important it is that we take a green car instead of a brown one.

For real. People are all "lawlz employers should just pay more problem solved!" while ignoring the massive amounts of labor and economic reform on several levels required to make that a viable solution.

Ok, first we need to outlaw tipped minimum on a federal level, it's literally a holdover from jim crow era.

Second we need to re-establish minimum wage as a LIVING wage, and not "some loose spending money for high-schoolers to buy a soda pop and a comic book once in awhile!" wage.

Third we need federal regulations that prevent minimum-wage industries from passing off every increase in minimum wage (and then some) to consumers by hiking their prices up in response, since then the increased wages functionally end up LOWER than they were before.

THEN we can get rid of tipping as the expectation for simply being served by a tipped employee. Until then? Unless you're ACTIVELY fighting for those things, I don't want to fucking hear "they should just pay their staff better!" We have SO MANY hurdles to pass before that's ACTUALLY viable.

@TentacleDemon

You do understand that the end result is the same, right?

It's literally not the same.

Once again, the people who keep saying this act under the false pretense that tips are required to buy your purchase. Regardless if you feel one should tip, it is not required.

By default, it is literally "not the same."
I am not required nor obligated to foot Walmart, Applebee's or Doordashs salary budget because those companies aren't paying their staff. So no, once again it's not all the same as there's no guarantees a staff member will see any tips or good tips.

If companies raise their prices to pay an actual wage to their staff, then so be it. This "it's all the same" angle tries to tap dance responsibility away from the employer and tries to put it on the consumer. It also eerily sounds similar to the argument used to claim minimum wage shouldn't ever rise in the first. The "we can't raise wages ever because companies will raise prices to extraordinary high prices or cut staff!" Companies love the poor gullible saps who defend them with the various narratives going around to allow them to pay shitty wages.

This dumbass culture in America where customers shill for Doordash and corporations that it should be the customers moral obligation to pay a companies staff a decent wage..... is ass backwards. If it wasn't for the pesky law blocking places like Walmart or Amazon, they'd be working for tips as well. So many suckers would actually unknowingly defend that practice too.

Gremlynn posted...

For real. People are all "lawlz employers should just pay more problem solved!" while ignoring the massive amounts of labor and economic reform on several levels required to make that a viable solution.

None of which changes no one is required or obligated to tip which is not being fully grasped. A consumer can buy a product from a company, and do not have to pay a dime extra just because the company isn't paying their staff. This is a fact, regardless if you personally embrace the 'company not paying their staff' culture.

Tips are not a guaranteed source of income. Companies are conning consumers so they don't have to pay their staff using a system they created that consumers are conned into happily defending that doesn't guarantee employees a decent wage.

Hence WHY those hurdles need to pushed.

Constantly defending the very system that literally benefits companies is one of the reasons this ass backwards culture isn't going anywhere.

"bUt YoU Don't HaVe To!"

Cool. Brilliant deduction. "Not being a shitty person is optional!"

Gremlynn posted...

"bUt YoU Don't HaVe To!"

Cool. Brilliant deduction. "Not being a shitty person is optional!"

Disagree.

You are encouraging the problem.
Companies even advertise and deliberately create businesses on this con, and people like you fall for it and happily defend it by demanding the customer pick up the tab.

• It's a shitty system to defend,
• it 100% benefits the companies so they dont have to pay staff,
• 100% guilt needs to be directed at slime ball companies who still practice this,
• again the history around tipping in the US is based on companies intentionally being shitty, and conning Americans its your moral obligation (or not) to make up the difference. Either way less money the company has to spend.
• Tips are not equally distributed to staff. The people being tipped are not actually guaranteed decent tips thanks to a system that offsets a company paying its staff an actual fair wage. This point in particular is not really being grasped by many.

Pushing these companies to pay the people they employ a decent wage would correct many of the above problems.

I mean, do some research on the history of tipping here in the United States. It's absurd many defend tipping culture. You are unwillingly or willingly encouraging the problem.

TLDR:
Literally your "s***ty person" rhetoric easily applies to your deduction that it's the customers responsibility or moral obligation.

The s***ty person where I stand is the ones who tote this line and emphasis of thinking that if a company doesn't pay a decent wage, the customer has a responsibility and obligation to pick up the companies tab to pay its staff. People who spin the narrative that the customer is the s***ty person if companies don't want to pay its staff.

You are encouraging the problem. Basic history of tipping in the US should not be defended.

Gremlynn posted...

"I'm just against the ENTITLEMENT of it!"

Naw, shut the fuck up. Both sides of the exchange are entirely aware of the social contract involved in tipped work. It's not "entitlement".

you have this driver dude saying patrons are mooching off him for not tipping as much as hed like and its not entitlement?

Again, it blows my mind how customers are the one getting shit here and not the companies that decided that these drivers do not deserve a living wage

Gremlynn posted...

For real. People are all "lawlz employers should just pay more problem solved!" while ignoring the massive amounts of labor and economic reform on several levels required to make that a viable solution.

Ok, first we need to outlaw tipped minimum on a federal level, it's literally a holdover from jim crow era.

Second we need to re-establish minimum wage as a LIVING wage, and not "some loose spending money for high-schoolers to buy a soda pop and a comic book once in awhile!" wage.

Third we need federal regulations that prevent minimum-wage industries from passing off every increase in minimum wage (and then some) to consumers by hiking their prices up in response, since then the increased wages functionally end up LOWER than they were before.

THEN we can get rid of tipping as the expectation for simply being served by a tipped employee. Until then? Unless you're ACTIVELY fighting for those things, I don't want to fucking hear "they should just pay their staff better!" We have SO MANY hurdles to pass before that's ACTUALLY viable.

thank you for proving my point. It is easier to shit on the little guy (customers) so thats what you do.

an attitude would have prevented any social change ever from happening. You know how many changes would need to happen to end child labor? , you know how difficult would it be to end slavery?, etc

plus no one said dismantle the tipping system here, or at least I did not. You can have tips AND get a wage (or contractor payment). You can also push on your employee to pay you better without having to change every other employer across the planet, nice straw man though

My favorite is when I go to pick up my food and they still ask for a tip.

Who am I tipping and for what? Do the cooks depend on tips now too?

I just tip 30% or so cuz they the one risking their life by driving. Saying this as someone that doesn't travel more than 2 miles away from their living space for months tho

Pretty sure I haven't gone out more than 2 miles since late April. Omg time flies fast

Aramyn89 posted...

My favorite is when I go to pick up my food and they still ask for a tip.

Who am I tipping and for what? Do the cooks depend on tips now too?

https://youtube.com/shorts/CjhS29la5jU?feature=share

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I honestly didn't realize that this was one of CE's trigger topics

DepreceV2 posted...

I honestly didn't realize that this was one of CE's trigger topics

I know I've been mostly posting videos, but to chime in....

Americans have been severely brainwashed that it is their solemn duty to pay a tip if companies don't feel like paying a fair wage.

The practice in America is rooted in racism, and yet so many Americans will actually try to spin it is you, instead of Doordash or Olive Garden who is punishing these people.

My position, I'm not against the idea of tips if you want to tip. If you WANT to tip, I have nothing against it, but it should not be a standard people support as a means to pay a wage. A company should not be in business if they can't afford to pay their workers. I support abolishing this dumbass, rooted in racism, tipping model of a company paying its customers.

Across the map I don't agree with anyone defending this model. Even the pseudo defense that tries to guilt the customer instead of the employer for a bad wage.

Americans just accept this terrible system passing most of the attention off onto the customers obligation.

t5yvxc posted...

I know I've been mostly posting videos, but to chime in....

Americans have been severely brainwashed that it is their solemn duty to pay a tip if companies don't feel like paying a fair wage.

The practice in America is rooted in racism, and yet so many Americans will actually try to spin it is you, instead of Doordash or Olive Garden who is punishing these people.

My position, I'm not against the idea of tips if you want to tip. If you WANT to tip, I have nothing against it, but it should not be a standard people support as a means to pay a wage. A company should not be in business if they can't afford to pay their workers. I support abolishing this dumbass, rooted in racism, tipping model of a company paying its customers.

Across the map I don't agree with anyone defending this model. Even the pseudo defense that tries to guilt the customer instead of the employer for a bad wage.

Americans just accept this terrible system passing most of the attention off onto the customers obligation.

Doordash doesn't operate on the same model as other companies do. It's a whole bidding system like Ebay.

Mia_K97 posted...

Doordash doesn't operate on the same model as other companies do. It's a whole bidding system like Ebay.

Yes. I understand that. My post addresses whatever ridiculous model being used. A company should not be in business if they can't afford to pay their workers. I support abolishing this dumbass, rooted in racism, tipping model of a company openly not paying its workforce. Demanding and guilting its customers to pay their workforce instead.

I don't care what model work around companies decide to use to escape paying the people they employee to work under the companies brand. Whether that's so called contractors, W2 or whatever employment loopholes for companies to not pay its workforce.

DepreceV2 posted...

I honestly didn't realize that this was one of CE's trigger topics

Now you're just lying. Your account is old enough for you to know.

• Tipping
• Uncut /Cut baby weiners

Easily top 2 guaranteed argument topics

Anything under a 90% is just pure entitlement and you taking advantage of doordash workers

Lol tipping before a service is performed

If you clowns want a tip, earn it. Do the job right and maybe you get a tip at the door. Don't forget, you need the customer more than the customer needs you.

Naysaspace posted...

Lol tipping before a service is performed

If you clowns want a tip, earn it. Do the job right and maybe you get a tip at the door. Don't forget, you need the customer more than the customer needs you.

Then don't use doordash, I can reject your crappy no tip order and pick up a 5 dollar tip order within seconds. Meanwhile, your food sits out forever until a naive driver picks it up or doordash bumps up the payout lol.

t5yvxc posted...

Yes. I understand that. My post addresses whatever ridiculous model being used. A company should not be in business if they can't afford to pay their workers. I support abolishing this dumbass, rooted in racism, tipping model of a company openly not paying its workforce. Demanding and guilting its customers to pay their workforce instead.

I don't care what model work around companies decide to use to escape paying the people they employee to work under the companies brand. Whether that's so called contractors, W2 or whatever employment loopholes for companies to not pay its workforce.

ughhhhh

RetsuZaiZen posted...

Now you're just lying. Your account is old enough for you to know.

* Tipping
* Uncut /Cut baby weiners

Easily top 2 guaranteed argument topics

I legit didnt know. I dont really click on tip topics because they didnt interest me.

Mia_K97 posted...

Then don't use doordash, I can reject your crappy no tip order and pick up a 5 dollar tip order within seconds. Meanwhile, your food sits out forever until a naive driver picks it up or doordash bumps up the payout lol.

Not sure why so many throw this around like it's a real threat.

I'm a Doordash and GrubHub driver on the side. Luckily I have my actual career as my source of income, but I do Dash and GH on the side as a side hustle.

The way the system works, you can only "just not pick up" but so many orders before you practically get yourself fired.

In otherwords, "i can reject your order" or "then don't use doordash if you dont want to tip" is not the scary threat you think it is. Orders arent sitting around as often as some make it out to be in moderately busy, high populace areas. Someone will be practically forced to go get that order to keep their delivery gig.

You know what would actually be beneficial? Making doordash pay a better wage. Not me relying on a system that customers aren't exactly supposed to or even required to pay if they buy through DoorDash.

RyukSan posted...

Not sure why so many throw this around like it's a real threat.

I'm a Doordash and GrubHub driver on the side.

The way the system works, you can only "just not pick up" but so many orders before you practically get yourself fired.

You drive DD but are seriously saying this?

You can literally have a 0% acceptance rate and not be deactivated (fired) from DD. I thought this was common knowledge for anyone who drives for DD.

CE_gonna_CE posted...

You drive DD but are seriously saying this?

You can literally have a 0% acceptance rate and not be deactivated (fired) from DD. I thought this was common knowledge for anyone who drives for DD.

If so, then I'm wrong.

According to DDs on boarding (or maybe I'm thinking of GH..... I do both as a side hustle...... I can't keep these guys straight) if I fall below a certain % I risk being dropped.

RyukSan posted...

If so, then I'm wrong.

According to DDs on boarding (or maybe I'm thinking of GH..... I do both as a side hustle...... I can't keep these guys straight) if I fall below a certain % I risk being dropped.

DD can deactivate you if you fall below an 80% completion rate - meaning, if you accept but then reject/cancel out more than every 2 out of 10 orders, you could get canned. Thats different from acceptance rate though.

I am not sure about GH. Theres no way to check your rates, far as I know. But Im sure Ive rejected at least 90-95% of the orders theyve thrown at me lately. I dont schedule blocks or anything, so all I ever get are shit 15+ mile orders out to the middle of nowhere that are probably rejects from those that are working blocks.