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Chicken
09/11/22 12:48:38 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/3/AAKAd-AADqWf.jpg

Apparently this was how Iraq was in the 70s. Compare that to now. Do conservatives want such a drastic change in North America? But with christianity instead? Is that their end goal?

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Solar_Crimson
09/11/22 12:49:53 AM
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Yes

"Y'all Qaeda" isn't just a joke.

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hockeybub89
09/11/22 12:50:51 AM
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Considering America helped ruin the Middle East, probably yeah

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GGuirao13
09/11/22 12:51:15 AM
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They're fine with theocratic nationalism, as long as it's their version of it.

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Zikten
09/11/22 1:48:37 AM
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Yes. They deny it but The Handmaid's Tale is something they see as a goal to achieve
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MedeaLysistrata
09/11/22 1:50:44 AM
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I honestly think this depends on Indonesia for a control variable

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Sayoria
09/11/22 1:51:59 AM
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Yeah. Here is a Western burka:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/2/AAKLOFAADqXG.jpg

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AloneIBreak
09/11/22 1:52:14 AM
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No, too many brown people over there.

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Ricemills
09/11/22 1:56:27 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
I honestly think this depends on Indonesia for a control variable

wat

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MedeaLysistrata
09/11/22 2:53:50 AM
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Ricemills posted...
wat
The middle east is loaded with oil money and that has probably influenced their politics. I think if you remove the flow of a high demand resource then there probably isn't going to be the same system.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/abs/oil-islam-and-women/CEE4A4C723242BB163E7208DA21724BA

I just don't think it makes sense to compare the ME to America's trajectory. If you are going to compare the two you need to include a secular state that has a majority religion.

Basically I think America will never be controlled by theologians so it's not the same thing at all.

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Arcanine2009
09/11/22 2:57:34 AM
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Chicken posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/3/AAKAd-AADqWf.jpg

Apparently this was how Iraq was in the 70s. Compare that to now. Do conservatives want such a drastic change in North America? But with christianity instead? Is that their end goal?
That's how Afghanistan was in the 70s as well.

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Ricemills
09/11/22 4:04:24 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
The middle east is loaded with oil money and that has probably influenced their politics. I think if you remove the flow of a high demand resource then there probably isn't going to be the same system.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/american-political-science-review/article/abs/oil-islam-and-women/CEE4A4C723242BB163E7208DA21724BA

I just don't think it makes sense to compare the ME to America's trajectory. If you are going to compare the two you need to include a secular state that has a majority religion.

Basically I think America will never be controlled by theologians so it's not the same thing at all.

the one's controlling Indonesia is china, not Middle East.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/11/22 4:07:23 AM
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Ricemills posted...
the one's controlling Indonesia is china, not Middle East.
So why would America become like a region** they are able to control?

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Evening_Dragon
09/11/22 4:09:22 AM
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I've argued this on /pol/, and I think someone had some sort of anxiety attack on their keyboard at least once, as a result.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/11/22 4:10:05 AM
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Your post is confusing as well I don't know why you are adding that China controls Indonesia

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Ricemills
09/11/22 4:12:23 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Your post is confusing as well I don't know why you are adding that China controls Indonesia

why are you even saying that Indonesia is the control variable for something happening in the US?

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MedeaLysistrata
09/11/22 4:26:29 AM
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Ricemills posted...
why are you even saying that Indonesia is the control variable for something happening in the US?
Indonesia was one example, there are probably other secular majority Muslim countries. The salient point is whether theologians have input into how the country is run what makes comparing M.E to America a bad comparison

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Flauros
09/11/22 4:33:40 AM
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Sayoria posted...
Yeah. Here is a Western burka:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/4/2/AAKLOFAADqXG.jpg
Do the guys get a cool red cloak or some kind of puritan garb as well?

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Zikten
09/11/22 4:36:34 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/8/AABd5gAADqYI.jpg This is what men wear in Handmaid's Tale

Not even all the women dress like that other picture, its only the women selected for breeding. The Handmaids. I think infertile women wear normal clothes. The plot is most women are infertile i think. Handmaids are rare and searched for throughout the land to round up and breed
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Flauros
09/11/22 4:53:51 AM
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Zikten posted...
Not even all the women dress like that other picture, its only the women selected for breeding. The Handmaids. I think infertile women wear normal clothes. The plot is most women are infertile i think. Handmaids are rare and searched for throughout the land to round up and breed
So they are like the Krogans in Mass Effect?

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gunplagirl
09/11/22 4:55:16 AM
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No, they want to go even more extreme and bring their views to the rest of the world through military conquest.

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Zikten
09/11/22 4:55:26 AM
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Flauros posted...
So they are like the Krogans in Mass Effect?
I don't know much about mass effect. Do you mean they are infertile? Or the breeding slaves?
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itachi15243
09/11/22 5:09:28 AM
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Pretty sure they're going for a mix of modern holy Roman empire and 1700's England.

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Questionmarktarius
09/13/22 12:23:45 AM
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The current American Right is playing offense and defense simultaneously, and it's disastrous.
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Xatrion
09/14/22 7:50:50 PM
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Goppers have wet dreams about being able to subjugate women, minorities, foreigners, gays, and anyone else not drinking their particular brand of koolaid. Were it up to them, we'd still be in the stupid ages.

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YigaTails
09/14/22 11:43:36 PM
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My end goal is to liberate the people of Iran back to those days, before it collapsed into its current dictatorship under Carter
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zeppelin4ever42
09/15/22 9:51:25 AM
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YigaTails posted...
My end goal is to liberate the people of Iran back to those days, before it collapsed into its current dictatorship under Carter
Tails, your main objection to Iran is they practice Islam instead of Christianity.

Now fuck off, Tails.

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CADE_FOSTER
09/15/22 9:55:50 AM
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Iran was awesome in the 70's then America fucked it up because thats what we do
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MedeaLysistrata
09/16/22 1:37:28 PM
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They just want to hype up their excellent budget

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MedeaLysistrata
09/16/22 5:52:34 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
They just want to hype up their excellent budget


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zeppelin4ever42
09/16/22 8:52:16 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
They just want to hype up their excellent budget
I read the abstract of the study you linked.

I think that the natural disparity of extraction economies enables oligarchs and dictators to maintain power, and that many use religion to further their maintenance of power.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/16/22 8:59:53 PM
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zeppelin4ever42 posted...
I read the abstract of the study you linked.

I think that the natural disparity of extraction economies enables oligarchs and dictators to maintain power, and that many use religion to further their maintenance of power.
Islam, Oil, and Women? Or Skepticism About Practical Reason (which I listed as a factual definition and not the abstract)?

If the former then disparity of what? Lots of places have oil.

If the latter, then I'm just being skeptical that spamming new topics has any relevance on old topics...

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Smashingpmkns
09/16/22 9:02:49 PM
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I don't think we have to compare far right Christian nationalism with middle eastern countries tbh. This shit is American made baby.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
09/16/22 9:09:54 PM
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Same thing China. They criticize the censoring, genocides, control of citizens life...yet theyd be all over it if it meant imposing their way of life into the rest of the country.

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Cheater87
09/16/22 9:26:16 PM
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Yup.

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a-c-a-b
09/16/22 9:26:51 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
I don't think we have to compare far right Christian nationalism with middle eastern countries tbh. This shit is American made baby.
U.S. fascism will be an American flag and the christian cross.

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RenescoStCewl
09/16/22 9:33:56 PM
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Well this topic just made me really sad. I didn't know this about the middle east.

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zeppelin4ever42
09/16/22 9:47:43 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Islam, Oil, and Women? Or Skepticism About Practical Reason (which I listed as a factual definition and not the abstract)?

If the former then disparity of what? Lots of places have oil.

If the latter, then I'm just being skeptical that spamming new topics has any relevance on old topics...
The former. That extraction economies create a power disparity based off of money that allows dictatorships, and that dictatorships often use religion to create scapegoats (i.e. women, LGBT, etc).

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MedeaLysistrata
09/16/22 9:48:35 PM
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zeppelin4ever42 posted...
The former. That extraction economies create a power disparity based off of money that allows dictatorships, and that dictatorships often use religion to create scapegoats (i.e. women, LGBT, etc).
Got it. Clear as a button when you say it that way.

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zeppelin4ever42
09/16/22 9:58:32 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Got it. Clear as a button when you say it that way.
Cause vs effect can often be hard to discern, and I only propose a potential theory, not an absolute fact.

But given history, people accumulating power, and the general historical use of scapegoats, that was my attempt at a guess.

Obviously with a concept as complex and multifaceted as this, I am open to alternatives, but I hope I am not too far off the mark.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/18/22 3:20:01 PM
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zeppelin4ever42 posted...
Cause vs effect can often be hard to discern, and I only propose a potential theory, not an absolute fact.

But given history, people accumulating power, and the general historical use of scapegoats, that was my attempt at a guess.

Obviously with a concept as complex and multifaceted as this, I am open to alternatives, but I hope I am not too far off the mark.
Littering

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MedeaLysistrata
09/18/22 3:23:05 PM
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zeppelin4ever42 posted...
Cause vs effect can often be hard to discern, and I only propose a potential theory, not an absolute fact.

But given history, people accumulating power, and the general historical use of scapegoats, that was my attempt at a guess.

Obviously with a concept as complex and multifaceted as this, I am open to alternatives, but I hope I am not too far off the mark.
Other than that, I don't know how complex it is.

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1337toothbrush
09/18/22 3:26:24 PM
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That's the thing, the situation in the middle east is what happens when conservatives take over. The US knows how effective religious zealots are (they will literally give up their life for their cause) and so the US has spent and continues to spend a lot of money and provide a lot of support to such groups (you know, "to protect our interests"). Conservatism has common themes around the world. Conservatives will claim that they're for personal freedoms and individualism, but they mean their personal freedom to enforce their individual beliefs on everyone else.

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zeppelin4ever42
09/18/22 3:41:39 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Littering
Huh?

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hockeybub89
09/18/22 3:44:27 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
That's the thing, the situation in the middle east is what happens when conservatives take over. The US knows how effective religious zealots are (they will literally give up their life for their cause) and so the US has spent and continues to spend a lot of money and provide a lot of support to such groups (you know, "to protect our interests"). Conservatism has common themes around the world. Conservatives will claim that they're for personal freedoms and individualism, but they mean their personal freedom to enforce their individual beliefs on everyone else.
Look how quickly religous conservatism took over and how it feels almost impossible to fix.

The GOP might hate Muslims, but they know how quickly their religious agenda can destroy America if we allow them to win another election. It will be the end times.

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