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warlock7735 09/05/22 7:22:39 PM #1:	Sucks, man. --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:967817011] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Sucks, man. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 09/05/22 7:23:08 PM #2:	don't you tend to scale more than the enemies do --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:967817020] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>don't you tend to scale more than the enemies do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warlock7735 09/05/22 7:24:13 PM #3:	kirbymuncher posted... don't you tend to scale more than the enemies do Not really. Half the time you scale slower, unless you build super optimal. --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:967817046] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted... </cite><quote>don't you tend to scale more than the enemies do</quote>Not really. Half the time you scale slower, unless you build super optimal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 09/05/22 7:24:24 PM #4:	Scaling enemies is bad game design --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider! <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:967817053] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Scaling enemies is bad game design </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warlock7735 09/05/22 7:27:12 PM #5:	KiwiTerraRizing posted... Scaling enemies is bad game design Agreed. One of the cases I'm particularly bitter about is the sequel to one of my favorite metroidvanias. It has an internal score system that progresses as you complete more of the game, and the higher that score value is, the more and harder enemies are on each screen, and the more health each remaining boss has. It completely ruins the experience. --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:967817108] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>KiwiTerraRizing posted... </cite><quote>Scaling enemies is bad game design</quote>Agreed. One of the cases I'm particularly bitter about is the sequel to one of my favorite metroidvanias. It has an internal score system that progresses as you complete more of the game, and the higher that score value is, the more and harder enemies are on each screen, and the more health each remaining boss has. It completely ruins the experience. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EyeWontBeFooled 09/05/22 7:28:34 PM #6:	Final Fantasy VIII drove me wild lol --- You really think this is a sig you're reading? <cite>EyeWontBeFooled posted [p:967817135] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Final Fantasy VIII drove me wild lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativeme 09/05/22 7:29:08 PM #7:	i like how borderlands 3 did it and you could turn it on and off. turn it off to go back to get the collectibles you missed but can turn it on to farm certain bosses for their weapon drop. --- This is a sig <cite>creativeme posted [p:967817149] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>i like how borderlands 3 did it and you could turn it on and off. turn it off to go back to get the collectibles you missed but can turn it on to farm certain bosses for their weapon drop. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 09/05/22 7:29:21 PM #8:	are you saying you don't like getting absolutely destroyed by the high score version of that giant skull in hall of malice --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:967817154] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>are you saying you don't like getting absolutely destroyed by the high score version of that giant skull in hall of malice</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warlock7735 09/05/22 7:30:21 PM #9:	kirbymuncher posted... are you saying you don't like getting absolutely destroyed by the high score version of that giant skull in hall of malice I tried to forget that, tbh. --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:967817171] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted... </cite><quote>are you saying you don't like getting absolutely destroyed by the high score version of that giant skull in hall of malice</quote>I tried to forget that, tbh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warlock7735 09/05/22 7:31:12 PM #10:	I still need to go back and try tower of oannes too. --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:967817188] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>I still need to go back and try tower of oannes too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativeme 09/05/22 7:31:43 PM #11:	EyeWontBeFooled posted... Final Fantasy VIII drove me wild lol that's one of the first 10 i never beat(along with 5 i haven't played yet). i heard it's legit easier to beat at low levels so it's best just to skip battles. it was my first FF when i was like 10 and my friend loved it and just spammed the GF all game so i did the same and the game was super easy till the end of the 3rd disc when you had to go up against the recurring 2 bosses and 1 had a move to leave you at 1 health and they killed all my GFs and then my basic attack was only like 200 so i got beat and just gave up <_< --- This is a sig <cite>creativeme posted [p:967817199] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>EyeWontBeFooled posted... </cite><quote>Final Fantasy VIII drove me wild lol</quote>that's one of the first 10 i never beat(along with 5 i haven't played yet). i heard it's legit easier to beat at low levels so it's best just to skip battles. it was my first FF when i was like 10 and my friend loved it and just spammed the GF all game so i did the same and the game was super easy till the end of the 3rd disc when you had to go up against the recurring 2 bosses and 1 had a move to leave you at 1 health and they killed all my GFs and then my basic attack was only like 200 so i got beat and just gave up <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 09/05/22 7:37:18 PM #12:	FF8 does it well though. the only thing to scale is enemy HP: attack and defense stats remain the same. --- The spell complete It is permanent <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:967817296] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>FF8 does it well though.the only thing to scale is enemy HP: attack and defense stats remain the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 09/05/22 7:53:29 PM #13:	Robot2600 posted... FF8 does it well though. does it really? I think FF8 might do it the worst because it's the only instance of this where I've ever heard people say it's better to literally not level up --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:967817521] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Robot2600 posted... </cite><quote>FF8 does it well though.</quote>does it really? I think FF8 might do it the worst because it's the only instance of this where I've ever heard people say it's better to literally not level up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 09/05/22 8:04:11 PM #14:	Kingdoms of Amalur was terrible. They scaled enemies in a zone based on the level you were when you first entered it. So if you are like me and love to explore while avoiding the main story, you just locked a bunch of zones to starter levels. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:967817722] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Kingdoms of Amalur was terrible. They scaled enemies in a zone based on the level you were when you first entered it. So if you are like me and love to explore while avoiding the main story, you just locked a bunch of zones to starter levels.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ProboBum 09/05/22 8:08:02 PM #15:	loafy013 posted... Kingdoms of Amalur was terrible. They scaled enemies in a zone based on the level you were when you first entered it. So if you are like me and love to explore while avoiding the main story, you just locked a bunch of zones to starter levels. Wait so.....you could basically explore the entire world at low levels, go back and do all the story shit to level up, and basically steamroll through the areas because you happened to visit them at a low level? --- Wild ARMs is still the best JRPG series in my opinion and we desperately need a new game in the series! <cite>ProboBum posted [p:967817803] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>loafy013 posted... </cite><quote>Kingdoms of Amalur was terrible. They scaled enemies in a zone based on the level you were when you first entered it. So if you are like me and love to explore while avoiding the main story, you just locked a bunch of zones to starter levels.</quote>Wait so.....you could basically explore the entire world at low levels, go back and do all the story shit to level up, and basically steamroll through the areas because you happened to visit them at a low level?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bigtiggie23 09/05/22 8:10:22 PM #16:	I didn't even know the bosses in Lunar: Silver Star Story scaled with you. One time I used a GameShark for instant max levels and had no idea why the first boss (the giant slime on the ship) took me about a half hour to beat. --- I don't know about urinals. Half the guys are afraid to use them and most who aren't afraid can't hit them <cite>bigtiggie23 posted [p:967817852] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>I didn't even know the bosses in Lunar: Silver Star Story scaled with you. One time I used a GameShark for instant max levels and had no idea why the first boss (the giant slime on the ship) took me about a half hour to beat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 09/05/22 8:11:11 PM #17:	I don't think I've ever played, let alone heard a of great game that possessed lv scaling. Just seems like a lazy mechanic devs tack on to game to avoid balancing difficulty from start to finish. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:967817873] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>I don't think I've ever played, let alone heard a of great game that possessed lv scaling. Just seems like a lazy mechanic devs tack on to game to avoid balancing difficulty from start to finish.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 09/05/22 8:17:29 PM #18:	If VG villains really wanted to kill the hero, they'd send out their toughest monsters first rather than allowing the hero to gradually get stronger by killing weak enemies first. Idiots. I think enemy scaling works perfectly fine in open-world games where you should be able to go wherever you want right from the start without worrying too much about getting your ass kicked. Having enemies get stronger as you do makes more sense. --- THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Do not write in this space. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:967818018] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>If VG villains really wanted to kill the hero, they'd send out their toughest monsters first rather than allowing the hero to gradually get stronger by killing weak enemies first. Idiots.I think enemy scaling works perfectly fine in open-world games where you should be able to go wherever you want right from the start without worrying too much about getting your ass kicked. Having enemies get stronger as you do makes more sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 09/05/22 8:18:01 PM #19:	kirbymuncher posted... does it really? I think FF8 might do it the worst because it's the only instance of this where I've ever heard people say it's better to literally not level up That is because people grasp desperately at anything to fling at VIII. Every enemy in the game stops scaling at relatively low levels compared to the level that you would meet them if you played normally. All the while you aren't going to be particularly better off unless you metagame hard because the game is designed to not actually punish you for leveling. Think of it like the reverse of Morrowind where people will absolutely fellate the game in spite of doing many of the same things as what Oblivion gets thrashed for. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:967818029] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted... </cite><quote>does it really? I think FF8 might do it the worst because it's the only instance of this where I've ever heard people say it's better to literally not level up</quote>That is because people grasp desperately at anything to fling at VIII. Every enemy in the game stops scaling at relatively low levels compared to the level that you would meet them if you played normally. All the while you aren't going to be particularly better off unless you metagame hard because the game is designed to not actually punish you for leveling.Think of it like the reverse of Morrowind where people will absolutely fellate the game in spite of doing many of the same things as what Oblivion gets thrashed for.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DespondentDeity 09/05/22 8:20:20 PM #20:	HylianFox posted... If VG villains really wanted to kill the hero, they'd send out their toughest monsters first rather than allowing the hero to gradually get stronger by killing weak enemies first. Idiots. I think its a question of cost, stronger monsters require more gold to employ so you try to solve the problem with the least amount of spending possible. --- SHE: In black of night, a die is cast, heavens overflow with stars HER: All is light, all is ash, you must become just as you are <cite>DespondentDeity posted [p:967818078] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>HylianFox posted... </cite><quote>If VG villains really wanted to kill the hero, they'd send out their toughest monsters first rather than allowing the hero to gradually get stronger by killing weak enemies first. Idiots.</quote>I think its a question of cost, stronger monsters require more gold to employ so you try to solve the problem with the least amount of spending possible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 09/05/22 8:22:59 PM #21:	SotN does it really well. You feel super powerful at the very beginning, then as the game goes on you eventually feel more powerful than ever even though the enemies/bosses get stronger --- She left me roses by the stairs. Surprises let me know she cares. <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:967818148] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>SotN does it really well. You feel super powerful at the very beginning, then as the game goes on you eventually feel more powerful than ever even though the enemies/bosses get stronger</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate_reaver 09/05/22 8:32:09 PM #22:	its what makes skyrim and especially oblivion impossible to go back to for me --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate_reaver posted [p:967818390] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>its what makes skyrim and especially oblivion impossible to go back to for me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 09/05/22 8:36:07 PM #23:	FFVIII is piss easy, levelling or no. Just junction GoodShit.maj to everyone and watch as enemies cant do shit to you. --- Lusa Cfaad Taydr <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:967818489] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>FFVIII is piss easy, levelling or no. Just junction GoodShit.maj to everyone and watch as enemies cant do shit to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warlock7735 09/05/22 8:44:22 PM #24:	Damn_Underscore posted... SotN does it really well. You feel super powerful at the very beginning, then as the game goes on you eventually feel more powerful than ever even though the enemies/bosses get stronger The other piece of that is if you're backtracking to an earlier area, you don't care about the enemies at all. They're obstacles (or tools) for movement, not health. --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:967818718] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Damn_Underscore posted... </cite><quote>SotN does it really well. You feel super powerful at the very beginning, then as the game goes on you eventually feel more powerful than ever even though the enemies/bosses get stronger</quote>The other piece of that is if you're backtracking to an earlier area, you don't care about the enemies at all. They're obstacles (or tools) for movement, not health. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
argonautweakend 09/05/22 8:53:00 PM #25:	People overblow enemies scaling in FF8...the game is easy at level 100 still, because you mainly get more powerful by junctioning good magic, which higher level enemies have better magic to draw from. Though you can get magic in other ways(card mod for items and mod items into spells for example). I am doing a lowest level game now, and it's not hard at all to do, but normally I level up to 100 because leveling isnt that hard(your exp needed for the next level doesnt scale, it's just 1,000 each time). The game isn't difficult no matter what. People act like leveling up is counter-intuitive and it really isn't. <cite>argonautweakend posted [p:967818938] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>People overblow enemies scaling in FF8...the game is easy at level 100 still, because you mainly get more powerful by junctioning good magic, which higher level enemies have better magic to draw from. Though you can get magic in other ways(card mod for items and mod items into spells for example).I am doing a lowest level game now, and it's not hard at all to do, but normally I level up to 100 because leveling isnt that hard(your exp needed for the next level doesnt scale, it's just 1,000 each time). The game isn't difficult no matter what. People act like leveling up is counter-intuitive and it really isn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 09/05/22 9:11:44 PM #26:	depending on the game, i like scaling enemies because i want things i actually have to use my upgrades, skills, build, etc on. what's the point of any of that if you can just level past your problems and spank things in one hit? --- Like a whisper on the breeze <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:967819413] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>depending on the game, i like scaling enemies because i want things i actually have to use my upgrades, skills, build, etc on. what's the point of any of that if you can just level past your problems and spank things in one hit?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
furb 09/05/22 9:12:08 PM #27:	Level scaling is bad. I can't think of an exception. I played FFVIII with zero guides around the time it came out. I had no idea really what was happening. I was just killing stuff, getting GFs, and so on. Then I got to a place on the third disk and was basically unable to do anything. I then read about how about how I should have been meta-gaming the entire time. My options were start over or spend a bunch of time to fix my situation. I opted to not play it instead. It was a bad time in FF for me. I got trapped in the spot where you can get trapped in Tactics if you're using limited save slots around the same time. --- You know how fads are. Today it's brains, tomorrow, pierced tongues. Then the next day, pierced brains. -Jane Lane <cite>furb posted [p:967819422] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Level scaling is bad. I can't think of an exception.I played FFVIII with zero guides around the time it came out. I had no idea really what was happening. I was just killing stuff, getting GFs, and so on. Then I got to a place on the third disk and was basically unable to do anything. I then read about how about how I should have been meta-gaming the entire time. My options were start over or spend a bunch of time to fix my situation. I opted to not play it instead. It was a bad time in FF for me. I got trapped in the spot where you can get trapped in Tactics if you're using limited save slots around the same time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 09/05/22 9:14:13 PM #28:	Reminds me of when I played Saga Frontier on ps1 and didn't know it had scaling enemies. I got stuck on a boss and kept grinding and didn't understand why I kept losing no matter how much I leveled up <cite>Zikten posted [p:967819462] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Reminds me of when I played Saga Frontier on ps1 and didn't know it had scaling enemies. I got stuck on a boss and kept grinding and didn't understand why I kept losing no matter how much I leveled up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMogALT 09/05/22 9:20:29 PM #29:	It's fine in Vampire Survivors. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png <cite>ChocoboMogALT posted [p:967819618] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>It's fine in Vampire Survivors. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InTheEyesOfFire 09/05/22 9:37:37 PM #30:	Kim_Seong-a posted... FFVIII is piss easy, levelling or no. Just junction GoodShit.maj to everyone and watch as enemies cant do shit to you. Pretty much. The junction system was easy to break. --- "Oh man would you just shut up already, how come all you sword guys have to talk about how cool your swords are?" <cite>InTheEyesOfFire posted [p:967820011] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Kim_Seong-a posted... </cite><quote>FFVIII is piss easy, levelling or no. Just junction GoodShit.maj to everyone and watch as enemies cant do shit to you.</quote>Pretty much. The junction system was easy to break.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyscraper101 09/05/22 9:54:36 PM #31:	Two of my favorite games, FF8 and The Last Remnant, both have scaling enemies, and you can make yourself feel PLENTY powerful. All scaling enemy games I have played in general let you become a powerhouse eventually. It is just done through builds that you have to put thought into rather than mindless level grinding. <cite>Skyscraper101 posted [p:967820381] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Two of my favorite games, FF8 and The Last Remnant, both have scaling enemies, and you can make yourself feel PLENTY powerful. All scaling enemy games I have played in general let you become a powerhouse eventually. It is just done through builds that you have to put thought into rather than mindless level grinding. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warlock7735 09/06/22 11:52:18 AM #32:	If your enemies scale, then you don't get to enjoy trivializing things you previously struggled with. That's different from continuing to struggle with new things. When the game scales you don't feel like you got stronger at all. --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:967830147] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>If your enemies scale, then you don't get to enjoy trivializing things you previously struggled with. That's different from continuing to struggle with new things. When the game scales you don't feel like you got stronger at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hayame_Zero 09/06/22 11:55:03 AM #33:	It's one of the reasons why I consider Skyrim to be leagues better than Oblivion --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame_Zero posted [p:967830195] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>It's one of the reasons why I consider Skyrim to be leagues better than Oblivion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warlock7735 09/06/22 11:58:39 AM #34:	Metroid dread does something similar, in terms of the moment you get an item that ostensibly increases your strength, 5 screens later the enemies are tankier and you don't get a frame of reference to go back to notice that you're dealing more damage, you're back to needing 5ish uncharged shots to kill something. The moment you get something that reduces your damage taken, the enemies suddenly deal more damage so you take the same number of hits to die. That design would be fine if Dread didn't also change the areas you were previously in to either be blocked off, or also contain those stronger enemies ~~Yes, I know it's because of the X/plot, but it still feels bad. Let me feel strong, dammit.~~ --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:967830268] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Metroid dread does something similar, in terms of the moment you get an item that ostensibly increases your strength, 5 screens later the enemies are tankier and you don't get a frame of reference to go back to notice that you're dealing more damage, you're back to needing 5ish uncharged shots to kill something. The moment you get something that reduces your damage taken, the enemies suddenly deal more damage so you take the same number of hits to die. That design would be fine if Dread didn't also change the areas you were previously in to either be blocked off, or also contain those stronger enemies Yes, I know it's because of the X/plot, but it still feels bad. Let me feel strong, dammit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrandConjuraton 09/06/22 11:59:43 AM #35:	warlock7735 posted... If your enemies scale, then you don't get to enjoy trivializing things you previously struggled with. That's different from continuing to struggle with new things. When the game scales you don't feel like you got stronger at all. Yeah, for sure. I like feeling a sense of progression in your power level... for example, there's nothing like coming back later in the game to a place you really struggled with earlier on and then wiping the floor with the enemies there. It's especially rewarding in games like the ones Fromsoft makes. --- Fading out, fading alone; as we speak, we turn to stone. https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:967830290] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>warlock7735 posted... </cite><quote>If your enemies scale, then you don't get to enjoy trivializing things you previously struggled with. That's different from continuing to struggle with new things. When the game scales you don't feel like you got stronger at all.</quote>Yeah, for sure. I like feeling a sense of progression in your power level... for example, there's nothing like coming back later in the game to a place you really struggled with earlier on and then wiping the floor with the enemies there. It's especially rewarding in games like the ones Fromsoft makes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RashodBateman 09/06/22 12:00:58 PM #36:	ultimate_reaver posted... skyrim Hayame_Zero posted... Skyrim <cite>RashodBateman posted [p:967830307] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>ultimate_reaver posted... </cite><quote>skyrim</quote>Hayame_Zero posted... </cite><quote> Skyrim </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TotACon 09/06/22 12:01:11 PM #37:	Scaling enemies BUT you get stronger combos or abilities, which makes defeating weaker enemies more engaging, while still easy and feeling improvement. <cite>TotACon posted [p:967830311] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Scaling enemies BUT you get stronger combos or abilities, which makes defeating weaker enemies more engaging, while still easy and feeling improvement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 09/06/22 1:30:28 PM #38:	warlock7735 posted... If your enemies scale, then you don't get to enjoy trivializing things you previously struggled with. In FFXI, there was a popular leveling spot around the late teens/early 20's. Those enemies had a very annoying AoE sleep move. When blue mage got that spell around level 90 or so, I'll admit, I was known to grab a group of them then return the favor. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:967832136] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>warlock7735 posted... </cite><quote>If your enemies scale, then you don't get to enjoy trivializing things you previously struggled with.</quote>In FFXI, there was a popular leveling spot around the late teens/early 20's. Those enemies had a very annoying AoE sleep move.When blue mage got that spell around level 90 or so, I'll admit, I was known to grab a group of them then return the favor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/06/22 1:32:44 PM #39:	kirbymuncher posted... don't you tend to scale more than the enemies do Usually not. The game expects horizontal growth instead of vertical, so the enemies are tweaked a bit hot. ...especially so in Borderlands. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:967832183] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>kirbymuncher posted... </cite><quote>don't you tend to scale more than the enemies do</quote>Usually not. The game expects horizontal growth instead of vertical, so the enemies are tweaked a bit hot....especially so in Borderlands.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 09/06/22 1:46:18 PM #40:	smiths OP weapon in Skyrim" Scale this!* --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:967832409] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>*smiths OP weapon in Skyrim"Scale this!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyscraper101 09/06/22 2:19:53 PM #41:	warlock7735 posted... If your enemies scale, then you don't get to enjoy trivializing things you previously struggled with. That's different from continuing to struggle with new things. When the game scales you don't feel like you got stronger at all. Can you like name a game that's like this? I cannot think of a single level scaling game that you can't go back to a previous area and just fucking stomp. Again, being further in the game always means you have more tools at your disposal or a better build than you did before. These games aren't just about having a little number that slightly higher than it was 20 seconds ago thanks to you running in a circle grinding random battles. They are about builds and team comps. <cite>Skyscraper101 posted [p:967833081] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>warlock7735 posted... </cite><quote>If your enemies scale, then you don't get to enjoy trivializing things you previously struggled with. That's different from continuing to struggle with new things. When the game scales you don't feel like you got stronger at all.</quote>Can you like name a game that's like this? I cannot think of a single level scaling game that you can't go back to a previous area and just fucking stomp. Again, being further in the game always means you have more tools at your disposal or a better build than you did before. These games aren't just about having a little number that slightly higher than it was 20 seconds ago thanks to you running in a circle grinding random battles. They are about builds and team comps. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warlock7735 09/06/22 2:28:17 PM #42:	Skyrim is a pretty classic example - you don't run into the basic enemies out in the wild, stuff keeps scaling to your level and basic draugr are replaced with stronger draugr, etc. Yes, you can smith crazy shit if you grind smithing, but that is one singular build path, and there's a TON of noob traps (anything not smithing or sneak/archery generally doesn't scale fast enough to hold up with enemies past like.... level 20ish? I haven't played in ages, I just remember spellcasting and 1h+shield or 2H + armor being pretty garbo) La-Mulana 2 is a game that inspired this topic, as did metroid dread. LM 2 just keeps adding more enemies into previous areas, so even though you kill stuff faster, you rarely face off against chumpy enemies. Metroid dread closes off areas behind you regularly and replaces weak enemies with stronger ones. --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:967833240] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Skyrim is a pretty classic example - you don't run into the basic enemies out in the wild, stuff keeps scaling to your level and basic draugr are replaced with stronger draugr, etc. Yes, you can smith crazy shit if you grind smithing, but that is one singular build path, and there's a TON of noob traps (anything not smithing or sneak/archery generally doesn't scale fast enough to hold up with enemies past like.... level 20ish? I haven't played in ages, I just remember spellcasting and 1h+shield or 2H + armor being pretty garbo) La-Mulana 2 is a game that inspired this topic, as did metroid dread. LM 2 just keeps adding more enemies into previous areas, so even though you kill stuff faster, you rarely face off against chumpy enemies. Metroid dread closes off areas behind you regularly and replaces weak enemies with stronger ones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyscraper101 09/06/22 2:29:45 PM #43:	warlock7735 posted... Skyrim is a pretty classic example - you don't run into the basic enemies out in the wild, stuff keeps scaling to your level and basic draugr are replaced with stronger draugr, etc. Yes, you can smith crazy shit if you grind smithing, but that is one singular build path, and there's a TON of noob traps (anything not smithing or sneak/archery generally doesn't scale fast enough to hold up with enemies past like.... level 20ish? I haven't played in ages, I just remember spellcasting and 1h+shield or 2H + armor being pretty garbo) La-Mulana 2 is a game that inspired this topic, as did metroid dread. LM 2 just keeps adding more enemies into previous areas, so even though you kill stuff faster, you rarely face off against chumpy enemies. Metroid dread closes off areas behind you regularly and replaces weak enemies with stronger ones. Oh you are talking about western games yeah ok true they do suck ass yes carry on <cite>Skyscraper101 posted [p:967833265] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>warlock7735 posted... </cite><quote>Skyrim is a pretty classic example - you don't run into the basic enemies out in the wild, stuff keeps scaling to your level and basic draugr are replaced with stronger draugr, etc. Yes, you can smith crazy shit if you grind smithing, but that is one singular build path, and there's a TON of noob traps (anything not smithing or sneak/archery generally doesn't scale fast enough to hold up with enemies past like.... level 20ish? I haven't played in ages, I just remember spellcasting and 1h+shield or 2H + armor being pretty garbo) La-Mulana 2 is a game that inspired this topic, as did metroid dread. LM 2 just keeps adding more enemies into previous areas, so even though you kill stuff faster, you rarely face off against chumpy enemies. Metroid dread closes off areas behind you regularly and replaces weak enemies with stronger ones.</quote>Oh you are talking about western games yeah ok true they do suck ass yes carry on</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warlock7735 09/06/22 2:31:19 PM #44:	Did she ever find out who HS was? --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:967833291] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Did she ever find out who HS was?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/06/22 2:31:38 PM #45:	Skyscraper101 posted... Can you like name a game that's like this? FF8 <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:967833302] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Skyscraper101 posted... </cite><quote>Can you like name a game that's like this?</quote>FF8</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 09/06/22 2:33:21 PM #46:	Questionmarktarius posted... FF8 You can go back and one-shot everything from older areas, so you definitely get stronger feeling there. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:967833343] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>FF8</quote>You can go back and one-shot everything from older areas, so you definitely get stronger feeling there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skyscraper101 09/06/22 2:35:40 PM #47:	warlock7735 posted... Did she ever find out who HS was? Never Questionmarktarius posted... FF8 I just want to make sure you know I was referring to the concept of "being unable to feel powerful in an early game area due to the enemies scaling", and not just "level scaling" in general. I am saying this because FF8 is definitely not an example of this because if you can't go back to Ifrit's cave and one shot everything in there after playing the game for even just 5 hours then sorry but ya fucked up somewhere. <cite>Skyscraper101 posted [p:967833390] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>warlock7735 posted... </cite><quote>Did she ever find out who HS was?</quote>NeverQuestionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>FF8</quote>I just want to make sure you know I was referring to the concept of "being unable to feel powerful in an early game area due to the enemies scaling", and not just "level scaling" in general. I am saying this because FF8 is definitely not an example of this because if you can't go back to Ifrit's cave and one shot everything in there after playing the game for even just 5 hours then sorry but ya fucked up somewhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silverpine 09/06/22 2:36:51 PM #48:	now that i'm an ascended gamer, i'm always looking to feel weak. i get strong too easily and it sucks <cite>silverpine posted [p:967833415] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>now that i'm an ascended gamer, i'm always looking to feel weak. i get strong too easily and it sucks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMog123 09/06/22 2:39:32 PM #49:	La Mulana 2 is another example of a game where you get SO much stronger as you level that even increasing the level of enemies makes it feel like you're a god. Your growth is basically exponential since you have more movement, stronger weapons, and higher stats. Meanwhile enemy growth is mostly linear, more HP and damage. Plus, the dungeon is ~~like a living breathing thing, it makes sense the it changes.~~ --- "You're sorely underestimating the power of nostalgia goggles." - adjl http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110218.gif <cite>ChocoboMog123 posted [p:967833462] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>La Mulana 2 is another example of a game where you get SO much stronger as you level that even increasing the level of enemies makes it feel like you're a god. Your growth is basically exponential since you have more movement, stronger weapons, and higher stats. Meanwhile enemy growth is mostly linear, more HP and damage.Plus, the dungeon is like a living breathing thing, it makes sense the it changes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warlock7735 09/06/22 2:45:28 PM #50:	ChocoboMog123 posted... La Mulana 2 is another example of a game where you get SO much stronger as you level that even increasing the level of enemies makes it feel like you're a god. Your growth is basically exponential since you have more movement, stronger weapons, and higher stats. Meanwhile enemy growth is mostly linear, more HP and damage. Plus, the dungeon is ~~like a living breathing thing, it makes sense the it changes.~~ Nah, flail whip + vajra isn't all that great, blue skeletons without perfume are awful, and you don't even get flail whip until after the death sigil + feather, which drives your score really high. By the time you hit the underworld, the enemy spam and health totals make everything you face except the lokapala in Immortal Battlefield kinda suck. And unless they nerfed scaling, Surtr is ridiculous unless you fight him before scaling kicks in. You're punished pretty heavily for finding crystal skulls especially. --- CE Mafia Archive https://www.dropbox.com/sh/u3gaka98zsp3m0e/AADYBrilDyGYhlAbpEnac5d_a?dl=0 <cite>warlock7735 posted [p:967833568] in Games with... [t:80155054]...</cite> <quote>ChocoboMog123 posted... </cite><quote>La Mulana 2 is another example of a game where you get SO much stronger as you level that even increasing the level of enemies makes it feel like you're a god. Your growth is basically exponential since you have more movement, stronger weapons, and higher stats. Meanwhile enemy growth is mostly linear, more HP and damage.Plus, the dungeon is like a living breathing thing, it makes sense the it changes.</quote>Nah, flail whip + vajra isn't all that great, blue skeletons without perfume are awful, and you don't even get flail whip until after the death sigil + feather, which drives your score really high. By the time you hit the underworld, the enemy spam and health totals make everything you face except the lokapala in Immortal Battlefield kinda suck. And unless they nerfed scaling, Surtr is ridiculous unless you fight him before scaling kicks in. You're punished pretty heavily for finding crystal skulls especially.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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