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LordoftheMorons
09/21/22 7:20:41 PM
#203:


This is the official summary:

This bill revises the process of casting and counting electoral votes for presidential elections. The bill also revises provisions related to the presidential transition process.

The bill specifies that the choice of electors must occur in accordance with the laws of the state enacted prior to election day.

Additionally, the bill identifies each state's governor (unless otherwise identified in the laws or constitution of a state in effect on election day) as responsible for submitting the certificate of ascertainment identifying the state's electors. Further, the bill provides for expedited judicial review for any action brought by an aggrieved presidential or vice-presidential candidate arising under the U.S. Constitution or U.S. laws with respect to the issuance or transmission of such a certificate.

The bill revises the framework for the joint session of Congress to count electoral votes and make a formal declaration of which candidates have been elected President and Vice President. Among other changes, the bill (1) specifies that the role of the Vice President during the joint session shall be ministerial in nature, and (2) raises the objection threshold in Congress to at least one-fifth of the duly chosen and sworn members of both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

The bill also revises the presidential transition process, including to (1) allow more than one candidate to receive federal transition resources under certain circumstances, and (2) require additional reporting by the General Services Administration.
And a thread with some more details:
https://twitter.com/judgeluttig/status/1572316851341762560

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Thorn
09/21/22 7:23:46 PM
#204:


Maniac64 posted...
What does that one do?
Amends the ancient Electoral Count Act which was key to Trump's "Pence can just declare me the winner" plan for 1/6.

More specifically:

It makes it explicitly clear that the VP's role in the joint session is ceremonial and they can't just overturn the election.

It raises the threshold needed for an objection to a state's electors. Previously you just need 1 person in the House and Senate. Moved up to 1/3 of each.

Seeing articles saying it also address state legislatures from trying to go back and overturn the results of their popular vote. I've been skimming the bill text and I think it's too arcane for me to place exactly where it does - there's a section mentioning it's striking the whole "safe harbor" thing but I dunno if there's more scattered throughout.

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LordoftheMorons
09/21/22 7:25:45 PM
#205:


Oh whoops actually that summary is of Collins' Senate bill; not sure if there are significant differences with the House bill or not

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Thorn
09/21/22 7:30:21 PM
#206:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Oh whoops actually that summary is of Collins' Senate bill; not sure if there are significant differences with the House bill or not
I think the threshold for objection is different. As far as I can tell the House bill says an objection requires 1/3 to proceed. Your twitter thread explainer says 30% so I dunno if they amended it, if I'm looking at the wrong section, or it's a goof but either way it's a lot harder to drag it out with spurious challenges.

Otherwise I think they're pretty similar.

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UshiromiyaEva
09/21/22 7:38:54 PM
#207:


https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1572711603153547265?t=LKcmJMSravmnhmDFj4hOiw&s=19

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Thorn
09/21/22 7:39:01 PM
#208:


https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1572727110380453889

The 11th Circuit has ruled in favor of DOJ and has stayed parts of Cannon's (the Trump MAL judge) ruling and allows DOJ to continue using the classified material in its criminal investigation.

3 judge panel was 1 Obama appointee and 2 Trump appointees.

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red_sox_777
09/21/22 7:45:47 PM
#209:


Additionally, the bill identifies each state's governor (unless otherwise identified in the laws or constitution of a state in effect on election day) as responsible for submitting the certificate of ascertainment identifying the state's electors.

Well, that sounds like it's headed to SCOTUS for a constitutionality review.

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masterplum
09/21/22 7:46:23 PM
#210:


Thorn posted...
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1572727110380453889

The 11th Circuit has ruled in favor of DOJ and has stayed parts of Cannon's (the Trump MAL judge) ruling and allows DOJ to continue using the classified material in its criminal investigation.

3 judge panel was 1 Obama appointee and 2 Trump appointees.

I also would be extremely surprised if the supreme court overturned it

Partially because the supreme court probably won't rule on it and partially because I don't think Roberts or Kavanaugh would overturn it

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UshiromiyaEva
09/21/22 10:31:25 PM
#211:


https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1572769756515532803?t=kWJkgWKzUjbtVbdf2EbLbQ&s=19

"Were they looking for the Clinton e-mails in Mar-a-Lago?"

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kevwaffles
09/22/22 10:43:35 AM
#212:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
https://twitter.com/BGrueskin/status/1572769756515532803?t=kWJkgWKzUjbtVbdf2EbLbQ&s=19

"Were they looking for the Clinton e-mails in Mar-a-Lago?"
I love how even Hannity was at a loss of words with that one.

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Thorn
09/22/22 3:26:06 PM
#213:


https://twitter.com/jamisonfoser/status/1572691974007967744

Marquette University Law School Poll finds for the first time ever, a majority of Americans support increasing the number of justices on the Supreme Court, including 51% of independents.

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masterplum
09/22/22 3:45:15 PM
#214:


The problem is increasing supreme court justices is at best a bandaid solution and is at worst a tourniquet

If anyone here thinks conservatives are going to say "aw shucks" and drop the issue if we increase the number of supreme court justices I have some NFT's to sell you

The only way I possibly see it working is if the constitution is amended to specify the number of justices at a higher number which will

A. Never happen
B. Would still have absurd backlash that might be worse than the cure

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AriaOfBolo
09/22/22 3:48:49 PM
#215:


I feel like the more folks you put on SCOTUS the harder it'll be to move it particularly left or right of middle, for better or worse.

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red_sox_777
09/22/22 3:50:09 PM
#216:


Absolutely no to packing the Supreme Court. Keep it at 9. Liberals need to abide by the law. If you don't like the law, follow the constitutional process to change the law, and if you don't like the judging, follow the legal process for appointing judges (you need to win presidential and senatorial elections).

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masterplum
09/22/22 3:54:43 PM
#217:


AriaOfBolo posted...
I feel like the more folks you put on SCOTUS the harder it'll be to move it particularly left or right of middle, for better or worse.

Yeah I don't actually hate the idea of a 13 justice SCOTUS

but doing it without amending the constitution is going to result in it eventually being a 50 justice scotus

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Xeybozn
09/22/22 4:00:54 PM
#218:


If we have to amend the Constitution to expand SCOTUS anyway, I'd think it'd be more useful to fix the lifetime appointment system. It's just wrong that the balance of the court comes down to who has the bad luck to die of old age while the wrong president is in office.

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Jakyl25
09/22/22 4:01:16 PM
#219:


red_sox_777 posted...
Absolutely no to packing the Supreme Court. Keep it at 9. Liberals need to abide by the law. If you don't like the law, follow the constitutional process to change the law, and if you don't like the judging, follow the legal process for appointing judges (you need to win presidential and senatorial elections).

Packing the court fulfills the process for appointing judges


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Jakyl25
09/22/22 4:02:33 PM
#220:


masterplum posted...
The problem is increasing supreme court justices is at best a bandaid solution and is at worst a tourniquet

If anyone here thinks conservatives are going to say "aw shucks" and drop the issue if we increase the number of supreme court justices I have some NFT's to sell you

The only way I possibly see it working is if the constitution is amended to specify the number of justices at a higher number which will

A. Never happen
B. Would still have absurd backlash that might be worse than the cure


Bandaids and tourniquets are better than no bandaids and tourniquets

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Leafeon13N
09/22/22 4:12:16 PM
#221:


masterplum posted...
but doing it without amending the constitution is going to result in it eventually being a 50 justice scotus
What is wrong with this?
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masterplum
09/22/22 4:18:27 PM
#222:


Leafeon13N posted...
What is wrong with this?

Its worse than having no Supreme Court

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Leafeon13N
09/22/22 4:18:55 PM
#223:


That isn't an answer.
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masterplum
09/22/22 4:32:33 PM
#224:


Leafeon13N posted...
That isn't an answer.

It is

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red13n
09/22/22 4:33:42 PM
#225:


No, it actually very much literally is not an answer to that question.

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Dancedreamer
09/22/22 4:40:19 PM
#226:


masterplum posted...
It is

It really isn't an answer, though.

You just presented what you believe to be a worse scenario, without explaining why that first scenario was bad.

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Thorn
09/22/22 5:48:04 PM
#227:


think they might be regretting putting this guy's name forward as special master

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1573041199568625664
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1573042213067624448

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swordz9
09/22/22 5:53:38 PM
#228:


In the one video posted Trump looked horrible. He looked exhausted and like he was terrified he might finally be charged with a crime after evading them for basically ever
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Maniac64
09/22/22 6:11:18 PM
#229:


Thorn posted...
think they might be regretting putting this guy's name forward as special master

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1573041199568625664
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1573042213067624448
I look forward to them saying no to all that but Trump and Rs continuing to push the claims anyway.

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Forceful_Dragon
09/22/22 7:04:55 PM
#230:


Still nice that the SM is going to force them to actually take a position rather than imply and wink at them.

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Jakyl25
09/23/22 10:05:05 AM
#231:


https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1573299001692143616?s=46&t=OJDjXV5cWymPNcBxQpbPhg

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swordz9
09/23/22 10:08:08 AM
#232:


And Trump thought Biden was the senile one. I cant tell if Trump or Putin is more insane
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Kenri
09/23/22 1:28:48 PM
#234:


EMPTY IT TOTALLY
RETRUTH!!!

these people can't even write four words on a meme and make it sound coherent

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FFDragon
09/23/22 1:39:11 PM
#235:


Is that Jesus or Paul Rudd?

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Thorn
09/23/22 4:50:52 PM
#236:


https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1573088502409043970

DeSantis out here giving us a preview of the new American history if the GOP takes power, I guess.

"The American Revolution caused people to question slavery for the first time."
"...That sounds like bullshit, but assuming it's true, America then outlawed slavery as the atrocity it was, right?"
"..."
"Right?"

Also, I guess future GOP history books will show iconic scenes of America - that is to say, actually Russia.

https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1573394446351478785

The thread shows that the House GOP's "Commitment to America" video repeatedly shows images it presents as America actually being images from Russia. Which I guess is accidentally honest in its own way.

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LordoftheMorons
09/23/22 5:11:24 PM
#237:


https://twitter.com/maksymeristavi/status/1573356436091969536?s=21

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MoogleKupo141
09/23/22 9:33:22 PM
#238:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1573299001692143616?s=46&t=OJDjXV5cWymPNcBxQpbPhg

its so weird for him to get into Q stuff since like... he obviously knows its false. He cant be looking at this stuff and thinking did I secretly arrest Hilary Clinton? I dont remember doing that, but I guess I must have!

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swordz9
09/23/22 10:06:37 PM
#239:


Im sure hes into it because he loves stupid people and only stupid people would be into Q. Maybe he felt like he missed some of them the first go around
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Jakyl25
09/23/22 11:32:10 PM
#240:


Its him activating an army for if he needs it when things get hairy, like he did before.

But yeah he probably has zero clue what Q actually is about because its the kind of thing that would bore him to death if you tried to explain it to him

https://twitter.com/theonion/status/1573016809594552321?s=46&t=o_FloHHer0hsZG8I7BGX6w

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LinkMarioSamus
09/24/22 6:52:34 AM
#241:


Conservatives are the masters of cancel culture!

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ChaosTonyV4
09/24/22 3:45:06 PM
#242:


https://twitter.com/citizenfreepres/status/1573520229669347330?s=46&t=oErCYxdVokBg8RT4i3hRwQ

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Thorn
09/24/22 5:00:21 PM
#243:


https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1573442914281312273

kinda feels like this should be a big deal but it probably won't be

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UshiromiyaEva
09/26/22 12:52:50 PM
#244:


https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1574403024927301632?t=f0Oq-DW81c6n9SXPpdwfnA&s=19

Lol

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ChaosTonyV4
09/26/22 8:44:19 PM
#245:


https://twitter.com/vogon/status/1574415545696686080?s=46&t=-s0-Oi8Sz82g89-TK41WBw

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Peace___Frog
09/27/22 7:28:45 AM
#246:


https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1574605760054456322?t=oS9mWeV1h39dtqSpoA9uKw&s=19

To which he says...
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Maniac64
09/27/22 8:33:15 AM
#247:


Because the normal reaction to a stranger outside your home is not to call the cops (or personal security) but to hop in a vehicle and drive away leaving your home empty for the stranger to rob.

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MoogleKupo141
09/27/22 1:07:20 PM
#248:


just got a Trump email that says he wants to institute the death penalty for drug dealers

subject line was literally The Death Penalty which was a super ominous email to see

yikes !

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ChaosTonyV4
09/27/22 1:08:29 PM
#249:


Literally no better time than now to legalize, Brandon.

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Dancedreamer
09/27/22 1:38:47 PM
#250:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
just got a Trump email that says he wants to institute the death penalty for drug dealers

Imagine if Dems sent out an email saying they want the death penalty for tax evaders.

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Thorn
09/27/22 7:06:21 PM
#251:


https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1574440940227334149

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what the fuck

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Grimlyn
09/27/22 7:17:27 PM
#252:


smack that quote on a campaign sign

"We shouldn't get everything we want" - Sinema 2024

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Dancedreamer
09/27/22 7:19:14 PM
#253:


The worst thing is, Sinema KNOWS that McConnell, as soon as Republicans regain power, will do away with that 60 vote threshhold she wants so bad. So it'll only ever be used against Dems. Sinema needs to be primaried, and any organizations that hire her as a lobbyist should be blacklisted.

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