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wackyteen
08/31/22 1:42:11 PM
#51:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
It's both.
Until well along the pregnancy process, it is little more than a clump of cells. Hardly a 'baby' or a 'child'.

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Choco
08/31/22 1:44:05 PM
#52:


they found a way to be anti-choice and anti-life at the same time

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Gobstoppers12
08/31/22 1:44:35 PM
#53:


wackyteen posted...
Hardly a 'baby' or a 'child'.
And yet still both.

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DeadBankerDream
08/31/22 1:44:39 PM
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It was actually one of the first countries in the world to pass an abortion law, back in 1948.

But it was part of the Eugenics Protection Law - yes, it really was called that. It had nothing to do with giving women more control over their reproductive health. Rather, it was about preventing "inferior" births.

Article 1 of the law says: "To prevent birth of inferior descendants from the eugenics point of view and to protect the life and health of the mother as well."
The Eugenics Protection Law was renamed and updated in 1996, when it became the Maternal Health Protection Law.

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wackyteen
08/31/22 1:47:24 PM
#56:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
And yet still both.
No, it's a fetus.

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hockeybub89
08/31/22 1:48:21 PM
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It literally doesn't matter what the fetus is

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Choco
08/31/22 1:49:40 PM
#58:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

who said it's about consciousness

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

calm down
when did science say that consciousness is what makes a baby a baby?

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Gobstoppers12
08/31/22 1:49:40 PM
#59:


wackyteen posted...
No, it's a fetus.
Fetus/child/baby/human/son/daughter/family, whatever you call it, it's the same person whether it's a "clump of cells" or not.

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Axiom
08/31/22 1:58:18 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Fetus/child/baby/human/son/daughter/family, whatever you call it, it's the same person whether it's a "clump of cells" or not.
Here come the conservatives with their "A clump of cells is a person" lunacy
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Adam
08/31/22 2:03:13 PM
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Doesn't Gobs have a history of saying questionable things on this matter

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Oswaldo
08/31/22 2:06:40 PM
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Not the man's choice but if the man requests her to have an abortion and she says no, they should not he legally required for child support.
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wackyteen
08/31/22 2:07:25 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

More, if they're worried about taking the fetus' (Chance at) life, based on it being "more than a collection of cells" then they should be vegan.

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CyricZ
08/31/22 2:12:09 PM
#67:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Fetus/child/baby/human/son/daughter/family, whatever you call it, it's the same person whether it's a "clump of cells" or not.
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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UnfairRepresent
08/31/22 2:15:16 PM
#69:


Solid_Seb posted...
Her body her choice, every time all the time


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CyricZ
08/31/22 2:15:59 PM
#70:


Oswaldo posted...
Not the man's choice but if the man requests her to have an abortion and she says no, they should not he legally required for child support.
We've discussed this already in the topic but in what way do you see this as fair.

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aurlen
08/31/22 2:18:17 PM
#71:


Solid_Seb posted...
Her body her choice, every time all the time


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DipDipDiver
08/31/22 2:22:58 PM
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Basically all this does is allow a woman's ex or even someone she was never in a relationship with to control a major life-altering medical decision for her, and that's pretty fucked up
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CyricZ
08/31/22 2:26:38 PM
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Because he is the father, just as how the mother must pay child support.

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DipDipDiver
08/31/22 2:32:52 PM
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Because the law favors the child. It doesn't matter whether he wanted it or not, he made a child the child exists and it needs to be provided for
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kinetika_
08/31/22 2:42:07 PM
#76:


Yeah, I've seen women pay child support, too, so you really can't make child support an opt-in or -out thing since both sexes pay it.
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Oswaldo
08/31/22 4:53:47 PM
#77:


CyricZ posted...
We've discussed this already in the topic but in what way do you see this as fair.

Because a woman has the choice of being a mother. A father should have the same choice in regards to being a father.
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Oswaldo
08/31/22 4:54:44 PM
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To elaborate further, not paying child support shouldn't be a crime. Child support should be a tax incentive for fathers who choose to pay it.
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wackyteen
08/31/22 4:58:21 PM
#79:


Oswaldo posted...
Because a woman has the choice of being a mother. A father should have the same choice in regards to being a father.
He can find anyone else willing to be bred and carry his child if he wants that

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Gamerguymass
08/31/22 5:00:06 PM
#80:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
I think the idea is that it takes two people to make a child and it should take two people to abort it. But in actuality that just means that the woman doesnt have any control.

As opposed to now where the man has no control? If a women gets pregnant and doesn't want a baby and the guy does then 'oh well my body my choice' and she gets an abortion. If a women gets pregnant and she wants to baby and the guy doesn't then 'oh well my body my choice' and then the guy who didn't want a kid gets stuck with child support payments that the majority of the time are absurdly high that don't actually go towards the kid.

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CyricZ
08/31/22 5:37:44 PM
#81:


Oswaldo posted...
Because a woman has the choice of being a mother. A father should have the same choice in regards to being a father.
That is not equivalence. That is unfairly skewed towards the father.

The reason the mother has control over whether or not the pregnancy is carried to term is because mothers are the only ones who can get pregnant.

It's a biological inequality that only one party can get pregnant. The choice of the mother (and not the father) to carry the pregnancy is a corresponding inequality to temper that biological inequality. It has nothing to do with the father.

Therefore, tacking an extra "the father can choose to abandon financial responsibility" is a third inequality on top of that, tipping the scales towards the father, only because you see it as an injustice that the father gets no say in the outcome of the pregnancy.

To which I say, better get to work figuring out a way for fathers to get pregnant if you want to "fix" that.

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silverpine
08/31/22 5:47:34 PM
#82:


very depressing poll results
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crayola555
08/31/22 5:51:36 PM
#83:


Too much variables to give a definite, concrete answer

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silverpine
08/31/22 5:55:05 PM
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japan just wants a higher birth rate. they don't care how oppressive or sexist it is. they don't care about the human rights of women.
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Ving_Rhames
08/31/22 5:55:08 PM
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lol, I remember a decade or two ago when people who didn't know any better were "obsessed with Japanese culture (anime/vidya)" and thought it was the best country ever.

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thronedfire2
08/31/22 5:58:06 PM
#86:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
It's both.

no, its a fetus

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hockeybub89
08/31/22 6:01:11 PM
#87:


Ving_Rhames posted...
lol, I remember a decade or two ago when people who didn't know any better were "obsessed with Japanese culture (anime/vidya)" and thought it was the best country ever.
Some of those people are probably celebrating this as Japan continues to "not bend to PC culture"

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Ving_Rhames
08/31/22 6:04:23 PM
#88:


hockeybub89 posted...
Some of those people are probably celebrating this as Japan continues to "not bend to PC culture"

... Good point.

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SHRlKE
08/31/22 6:16:08 PM
#89:


DipDipDiver posted...
Because the law favors the child. It doesn't matter whether he wanted it or not, he made a child the child exists and it needs to be provided for

so you dont think women should be able to have abortions then?
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Gobstoppers12
08/31/22 6:35:32 PM
#90:


CyricZ posted...
Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.
The last two aren't like the others.

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wannabepranksta
08/31/22 7:00:16 PM
#92:


CyricZ posted...
Because he is the father, just as how the mother must pay child support.
But it was not a child that he wanted in the first place....all these fems want their cake and eat it too.

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hockeybub89
08/31/22 7:08:35 PM
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Ah we've reached the part where we start shrieking about how women having bodily autonomy is crazy feminism

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DrizztLink
08/31/22 7:10:43 PM
#94:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
And yet still both.
Here's your bowl of eggs and milk.

Enjoy your cake.

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Will_VIIII
08/31/22 7:15:32 PM
#95:


Solid_Seb posted...
Her body her choice, every time all the time


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Cleo_II
08/31/22 7:24:18 PM
#96:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
To be fair, the baby does belong to both parents, and the father should absolutely have a say when deciding the fate of his child.
The womans body belongs to her and only her so no the father should not get any say in what happens to her body.

Why dont men start focusing on their own body autonomy such as fucking wrapping it up or pushing harder for hormonal male birth control instead of placing the onus on women and then trying to control the outcome after.
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Gamerguymass
08/31/22 7:37:49 PM
#97:


Cleo_II posted...
The womans body belongs to her and only her so no the father should not get any say in what happens to her body.

Why dont men start focusing on their own body autonomy such as fucking wrapping it up or pushing harder for hormonal male birth control instead of placing the onus on women and then trying to control the outcome after.

Ok and by that same logic then if it is her body then it's her responsibility to prevent pregnancy if she doesn't want to be. So a guy shouldn't have to pay child support if he doesn't want a kid and she was irresponsible by not being on birth control.

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Gobstoppers12
08/31/22 7:39:58 PM
#98:


Cleo_II posted...
The womans body belongs to her and only her so no the father should not get any say in what happens to her body.
It's less about the woman's body and more about the life of a man's child. He should have at least some ability to contest an abortion that isn't medically necessary. Given that the life of his child is at stake.

Cleo_II posted...
Why dont men start focusing on their own body autonomy such as fucking wrapping it up or pushing harder for hormonal male birth control instead of placing the onus on women and then trying to control the outcome after.
This seems like a non sequitur. How would a condom solve the problem if a man wants to have a child?

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SHRlKE
08/31/22 7:42:00 PM
#99:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
It's less about the woman's body and more about the life of a man's child. He should have at least some ability to contest an abortion that isn't medically necessary. Given that the life of his child is at stake.

This seems like a non-sequitor. How would a condom solve the problem if a man wants to have a child?

My friend is in an abusive relationship. She threatens having an abortion if he doesnt do what she wants because she wont bring a child into the world to a guy that isnt perfect. Its fucked yo and hes too far gone to see how much of a **** she is being.
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CyricZ
08/31/22 7:43:50 PM
#100:


wannabepranksta posted...
But it was not a child that he wanted in the first place....all these fems want their cake and eat it too.
Believing that you are owed something out of someone else's pregnancy is part of the reason we're in this mess.

Gamerguymass posted...
Ok and by that same logic then if it is her body then it's her responsibility to prevent pregnancy if she doesn't want to be. So a guy shouldn't have to pay child support if he doesn't want a kid and she was irresponsible by not being on birth control.
Getting an abortion is taking responsibility.

For some reason it seems it's men who feel that they should have the right to shirk responsibility.

Gobstoppers12 posted...
He should have at least some ability to contest an abortion that isn't medically necessary.
He can if he can carry it. He cannot force the one he fucked to do so.

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