Current Events > Hillary is still going after Sanders...calls him sexist in her new book.

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MaxEffingBemis posted...

The thing with Warren, is that Bernie encouraged her to run in 2016,

Warren is one of the people who has claimed Sanders is sexist v_v

Dude is an 80 year old white guy from Vermont.

Srk700 posted...

She and her team would rather blame Bernie + his supporters for her losing to Trump rather than accept that the shitty campaign they put together was the reason.

Or the fact that even when he should have won states in the primaries, she got several early on because of back door bullshit ignoring what voters wanted.

I wish that I could say that no one cares about her opinion anymore, but it's an unfortunate reality that there are many who still do.

That being said... I'm still seething for how he was treated back in 2016. He was our best chance to save the country, and we collectively blew it.

Hillary Clinton is a bitter, pathetic loser who will never accept accountability. That should have been obvious already.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Warren is one of the people who has claimed Sanders is sexist v_v

Dude is an 80 year old white guy from Vermont.

Bernie was a feminist before any of these people were

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This is such snake poison speech.

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Bernie was a feminist before any of these people were

Well Clinton is absolutely not a feminist XD

But you can be a feminist and still be sexist. Especially if you were born in the 1940s

It was her turn

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Well Clinton is absolutely not a feminist XD

But you can be a feminist and still be sexist. Especially if you were born in the 1940s

Is there any proof hes a sexist or ever said anything sexist?

Let's ignore Bernie's entire career of being a feminist sjw before it was cool. Let's ignore him consistently pushing for women to be in positions of power and leadership, including the presidency.

Instead some are choosing "he's sexist because he's an old jew from brooklyn and we all know that type." Yall are gross.

foreverzero212 posted...

Let's ignore Bernie's entire career of being a feminist sjw before it was cool. Let's ignore him consistently pushing for women to be in positions of power and leadership, including the presidency.

Instead some are choosing "he's sexist because he's an old jew from brooklyn and we all know that type." Yall are gross.

You're not supposed to be thinking logically. What's wrong with you?

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You're basically Glenn Beck "just asking questions"ing.

Nobody can say for sure Bernie didn't say those things that his political opponents who stand to gain by making the accusation are accusing him of, so we should definitely take it seriously.

You might just completely deny it, but you also might take a second to think whether or not this exchange might reflect a part of a larger problem of Bernie's - that is his inability to make political coalitions.

The hot mic situation was so obviously planned and staged by Warren. That was at a time when it was clearly she wasn't gaining anymore support so her campaign started the hail mary campaign of calling Bernie sexist.

Bernie encouraged her to run in 2016 and she didn't. Then she backed Hillary hoping to get the VP spot, and Hillary chose some milquetoast white dude instead.

Hoodroar posted...

Board 261 thinks posting about this is pro-Trump.

Of course they would, 261 is the worst board on this site and filled with unhinged posters that every now and then like to make their presence known here as well when in reality they should disconnect from the internet entirely. Nearly without fail, if I decide to go there to find an unbelievably stupid post, I can get it within 5 minutes without even trying.

COVx has a weird habit of making up scenarios to support whichever position he has prepositioned himself to take.

Hard to make political coalitions when you're taking on literally every big $$$ special interest at once. Only amateurs and grassroots people will work with a career burner campaign like that.

You think the private health insurance and oil pacs funding other candidates will allow them to align with Bernie? Until more grassroot progressives get elected, he's limited to AOC and the squad backing him.

Nah it's more likely because Bernie is sexist. AOC secretly hates women too.

Bernie is consistently supporting women running for office, wanted Warren to run in 2016, has a longer history fighting for women's rights than anyone in US politics, but yeah he's a sexist.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Bernie is consistently supporting women running for office, wanted Warren to run in 2016, has a longer history fighting for women's rights than anyone in US politics, but yeah he's a sexist.

Yeah so the same people that hand-wring about Bernie being a sexist are the same to vote for dudes like Biden and Bloomberg in a primary and complain about the left's purity tests.

Suburban centrist twitter is a cognitive dissonance echo chamber of whatever opinions they absorbed from corporate outlets.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Hillary "I'm a female politician, so sexists decided I'm automatically unlikeable" Clinton

Ftfy

Wetterdew posted...

Ftfy

To be fair, that's an incredibly unlikeable thing to say, so it fits Hillary.

JahanDotson1 posted...

Hillary has to live with herself knowing that she couldnt beat the most corrupt POTUS in American history in an election.

Her failure to win what should have been an easy battle led to the near destruction of our nation and democracy as we once knew it.

Can't really blame her that a bunch of people threw a hissy fit over her beating their guy and refused to vote for her.

Can't blame a politician for not getting enough votes to win an election?

DeadBankerDream posted...

Can't blame a politician for not getting enough votes to win an election?

She did get enough votes to win, they just weren't in the right places. Anyways the point was Sandernistas were so ass-blasted that she got 4 million more votes than their guy that they threw logic to the wind and refused to support her. Hell many of the even voted against their own interests and voted for Trump just to give Clinton an FU.

People behaving irrationally isn't her fault, it's theirs.

6 years later and there are still Hillary stans

VitalGetPrank posted...

She did get enough votes to win, they just weren't in the right places

So she didn't get enough votes to win.

VitalGetPrank posted...

Anyways the point was Sande'trnistas were so ass-blasted that she got 4 million more votes than their guy that they threw logic to the wind and refused to support her. Hell many of the even voted against their own interests and voted for Trump just to give Clinton an FU.

People behaving irrationally isn't her fault, it's theirs.

Ignoring that I haven't heard any actual research that supports the Bernie to Trump ratio being significant enough to swing anything, I can't see how any sort of rationalization like this makes it not the politician's fault that they didn't manage make enough people interested enough to cast their vote for them.

hortanz posted...

6 years later and there are still Hillary stans

Wanting people to learn from their fuck ups and avoid repeating it makes me a Clinton fanboy now?

VitalGetPrank posted...

She did get enough votes to win, they just weren't in the right places. Anyways the point was Sandernistas were so ass-blasted that she got 4 million more votes than their guy that they threw logic to the wind and refused to support her. Hell many of the even voted against their own interests and voted for Trump just to give Clinton an FU.

People behaving irrationally isn't her fault, it's theirs.

We have data on this. Sanders supporters voted for Hillary in higher %s than Hillary supporters voted for Obama. You've been shown this before. You and Hillary still holding such a strong grudge against Sanders only supports this data. It is not Sandernistas that are ass-blasted. It's the entitled centrists.

This is just a PSA so people stop taking your bait seriously.

Knowing you exist is depressing me, don't reply to my messages anymore.

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Bernie was a feminist before any of these people were

thissssss

DeadBankerDream posted...

Ignoring that I haven't heard any actual research that supports the Bernie to Trump ratio being significant enough to swing anything

Sanders -> Trump voters
WI: 51k
MI: 47k
PA: 116k

Trump win margin
WI: 22k
MI: 10k
PA: 44k

You're capable of basic math, no? And that doesn't even go into the Stein voters (which were also enough to sway the election by themselves), the people who stayed home, wrote in Sanders' name or decided to be cute and write in Harambe.

DeadBankerDream posted...

I can't see how any sort of rationalization like this makes it not the politician's fault that they didn't manage make enough people interested enough to cast their vote for them.

Sandernistas were never going to be swayed by logic, they were operating purely out of spite. If you want to blame Clinton for that you're not very bright.

foreverzero212 posted...

We have data on this. Sanders supporters voted for Hillary in higher %s than Hillary supporters voted for Obama. You've been shown this before.

True, I have, and I've also disproved it countless times. You crying "fake news" only serves to prove my point that Sandernistas were never going to be swayed by facts or logic.

https://i.imgur.com/iiyC4Eo.png
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/

Only 74% of Sanders voters could bring themselves to vote for Clinton. Meanwhile Clinton voters went to Obama at a rate of 84%, pop quiz, which number is larger? Go!

Analysis[edit]
In an interview with Vox, Schaffner highlighted the fact that Sanders-Trump voters were much less likely to identify as Democrats than Sanders voters who voted for Clinton or a third-party candidate.[2] According to Schaffner, about half of the voting bloc identified themselves as Republicans or independents.[4] Data from the VOTER survey showed that only 35% of Sanders-Trump voters voted for Democratic incumbent Barack Obama in the 2012 election; in contrast, 95% of Sanders-Clinton voters voted for Obama in 2012.[1]

This suggests that Sanders supporters who voted for Trump in the general had largely reached across the aisle in support of Sanders and didn't have allegiance to the Democratic party platform and their votes were never secured for the party with any other candidate.

Hardly seems reasonable to say that someone going "well I was going to vote Republican, but if they go with Sanders I might change my mind" was a stolen democratic party vote when they chose to not go with Sanders.

VitalGetPrank posted...

Sandernistas were never going to be swayed by logic, they were operating purely out of spite. If you want to blame Clinton for that you're not very bright.

It's the job of a politician to secure votes.

If Hillary couldn't do that she was clearly a bad candidate and that should be on her.

VitalGetPrank posted...

True, I have, and I've also disproved it countless times. You crying "fake news" only serves to prove my point that Sandernistas were never going to be swayed by facts or logic.

https://i.imgur.com/iiyC4Eo.png
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/

Only 74% of Sanders voters could bring themselves to vote for Clinton. Meanwhile Clinton voters went to Obama at a rate of 84%, pop quiz, which number is larger? Go!

The lowest number for Hillary supporters switching to McCain came from your CNN exit polling source:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/
15% of Clinton supporters voted for McCain.

An often cited Duke University study finds that 25% of Clinton supporters voted for McCain. Just under 70% of Clinton voters came out for Obama.
https://sites.duke.edu/hillygus/files/2014/06/hendersonhillygustompsonPOQ.pdf

It's generally agreed upon across any sources that 8-12% of Sanders supporters voted for Trump. Here's a source for the highest number of Sanders to Trump voters with the least favorable analysis. (wapo say 8%)
https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

Studies also find that many of the Sanders-Trump voters did not identify as Democrats and were new people he brought into the party. Hillary-McCain voters were just spiteful.

DeadBankerDream posted...

If Hillary couldn't do that she was clearly a bad candidate and that should be on her.

She could though, +4 million Sanders and +3 million Trump.

DeadBankerDream posted...

This suggests that Sanders supporters who voted for Trump in the general had largely reached across the aisle in support of Sanders and didn't have allegiance to the Democratic party platform and their votes were never secured for the party with any other candidate.

Hardly seems reasonable to say that someone going "well I was going to vote Republican, but if they go with Sanders I might change my mind" was a stolen democratic party vote when they chose to not go with Sanders.

The people who hate Socialism were tripping over themselves to vote for the self-proclaimed Socialist. This is what Sandernistas actually believe.

VitalGetPrank posted...

True, I have, and I've also disproved it countless times. You crying "fake news" only serves to prove my point that Sandernistas were never going to be swayed by facts or logic.

https://i.imgur.com/iiyC4Eo.png
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/

Only 74% of Sanders voters could bring themselves to vote for Clinton. Meanwhile Clinton voters went to Obama at a rate of 84%, pop quiz, which number is larger? Go!

Dude, the article says 15% of Clinton voters went to McCain versus the 12% of Sanders supporters in that poll went to Trump.

VitalGetPrank posted...

She could though, +4 million Sanders and +3 million Trump.

Didn't get enough votes to win, though. Sadface.

VitalGetPrank posted...

The people who hate Socialism were tripping over themselves to vote for the self-proclaimed Socialist. This is what Sandernistas actually believe.

In a perfect world politics would only be about policy, but the world we live in isn't perfect and personality has a lot to do with who people vote for. I've certainly been guilty of such in the past.

No need to create conspiracy theories when faced with information you don't like.

VitalGetPrank posted...

The people who hate Socialism were tripping over themselves to vote for the self-proclaimed Socialist. This is what Sandernistas actually believe.

It's what the data states. Voters are not rational, as you say. Or maybe socialist scary word isn't the top of their voting issues.

Being incredulous at the data doesn't make you correct and isn't a counterargument.

CommonStar posted...

Dude, the article says 15% of Clinton voters went to McCain versus the 12% of Sanders supporters in that poll went to Trump.

I got a chuckle out of that too. He failed his own number pop quiz.

foreverzero212 posted...

Just under 70% of Clinton voters came out for Obama.

Factually incorrect. Exit polls proved that. Try to keep up. Now I'll ask you again, is 84% higher than 74% yes or fucking no? It is, isn't it? Say it.

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Sanders gonna make it to 2042, you say?

You see? It's a waste of time. His own sources disprove his argument and he's still at it. He's not serious, this is bait.

CommonStar posted...

Dude, the article says 15% of Clinton voters went to McCain versus the 12% of Sanders supporters in that poll went to Trump.

My god you people are so ignorant you can't even get the fucking discussion right.

My point from the very beginning was that Sanders voters didn't show up for Clinton, you following me so far? So making dumbass comments like B-b-b-b-b-but 16% of Clinton of Clinton voters went to Romney compared to 12 % of Sanders to Trump voters is missing the point that there were multiple 3rd party candidates they went to to avoid voting for Clinton not to mention that voting for a moderate Republican is completely different to voting for the uniquely unqualified Trump.

Jesus Christ, get your heads out of your assess.

foreverzero212 posted...

You see? It's a waste of time. His own sources disprove his argument and he's still at it. He's not serious, this is bait.

What do you think my argument even is? Clearly there's something you're missing so I'll try to dumb down my statements so you avoid humiliating yourself.

Sanders supporters didnt show up for Clinton seems like an absurd point when your own numbers say three in four did.

Hillary, as a great man once said, you lost to a sentient pile of Cheesy Wotsits in an ill-fitting suit. Shut the fuck up and sit down.