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Northlane
08/10/22 10:11:08 PM
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https://laist.com/news/housing-homelessness/la-city-council-passes-ban-on-homeless-encampments-near-schools-and-daycares

Finally, a step in the right direction. Huge chunks of the city are now exclusions zones i.e. 44% of Venice

https://www.latimes.com/projects/homeless-sleeping-maps/

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WalkingLobsters
08/10/22 10:12:00 PM
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doesn't address the underlying problem/10

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Antifar
08/10/22 10:12:18 PM
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Question: where are they going to go?

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SiO4
08/10/22 10:13:03 PM
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WalkingLobsters posted...
doesn't address the underlying problem/10

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ScazarMeltex
08/10/22 10:19:01 PM
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Antifar posted...
Question: where are they going to go?
People like TC nor the Nimbys give a fuck. They don't think of them as people.

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NeonOctopus
08/10/22 10:20:33 PM
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Antifar posted...
Question: where are they going to go?
500 ft away from a school duh

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Northlane
08/10/22 10:22:38 PM
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The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as is

The idea of housing the homeless before everyone else is and always has been absurd

Why should California continue to pay the price of being "accommodating" when there's 49 other states in the union, many with lower costs of living

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Vicious_Dios
08/10/22 10:23:43 PM
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Good.

Should be more than just 500 ft, but this is certainly a step in a better direction.

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legendary_zell
08/10/22 10:26:28 PM
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Northlane posted...
The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as is

The idea of housing the homeless before everyone else is and always has been absurd

Why should California continue to pay the price of being "accommodating" when there's 49 other states in the union, many with lower costs of living

Maybe we should take care of the people with the most need first? You seem to have a problem with them existing in certain areas, but also don't want their urgent needs taken care of urgently. So what exactly do you wan them to do?

Maybe your anger should be directed at whatever is increasing the cost of living for everyone, or causing fellow citizens to become homeless, or restricting the supply of affordable housing? I think you'd find some common answers to those questions. Where as blaming people on the ass end of society and shuffling them around solves nothing.

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Background_Guy
08/10/22 10:28:13 PM
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So they did absolutely nothing except make the problem slightly easier to ignore
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TheSavageDragon
08/10/22 10:30:05 PM
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A "step in the right direction" would be evicting those applauding this and housing the homeless there. It's a potential win-win, the homeless have homes and maybe, just maybe, the ones evicted will gain a tiny shred of empathy.
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ScazarMeltex
08/10/22 10:30:17 PM
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Vicious_Dios posted...
Good.

Should be more than just 500 ft, but this is certainly a step in a better direction.
What do you suggest we should do with them?

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Vicious_Dios
08/10/22 10:31:54 PM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
A "step in the right direction" would be evicting those applauding this and housing the homeless there. It's a potential win-win, the homeless have homes and maybe, just maybe, the ones evicted will gain a tiny shred of empathy.

Welp, looks like I'm moving back in after being suddenly homeless.

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Jiek_Fafn
08/10/22 10:32:06 PM
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Push them somewhere else

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TheSavageDragon
08/10/22 10:34:08 PM
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Vicious_Dios posted...
Welp, looks like I'm moving back in after being suddenly homeless.

I'm sure there's a latrine available somewhere
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Northlane
08/10/22 10:35:09 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
Maybe we should take care of the people with the most need first? You seem to have a problem with them existing in certain areas, but also don't want their urgent needs taken care of urgently. So what exactly do you wan them to do?

Maybe your anger should be directed at whatever is increasing the cost of living for everyone, or causing fellow citizens to become homeless, or restricting the supply of affordable housing? I think you'd find some common answers to those questions. Where as blaming people on the ass end of society and shuffling them around solves nothing.
The people with the most need in this case are the kids walking to school in the mornings who have to sometimes walk on an active street during rush hour because the sidewalks are occupied by makeshift tents

I can't find the story but I'm pretty sure a kid was hit by a car because of this exact thing last year. So this story about an elderly woman will have to suffice
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/woman-struck-by-car-on-street-where-tents-were-blocking-sidewalk-is-suing-l-a/

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ChocoboMogALT
08/10/22 10:35:58 PM
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Northlane posted...
The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as is

The idea of housing the homeless before everyone else is and always has been absurd

Why should California continue to pay the price of being "accommodating" when there's 49 other states in the union, many with lower costs of living
Simple google search shows this is false. Vacant homes outnumber the homeless, to some degree.

And if the issue is zoning, development, etc - fix that.
The real issue is that you don't want to allocate resources to fix the issue.

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legendary_zell
08/10/22 10:39:39 PM
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Northlane posted...
The people with the most need in this case are the kids walking to school in the mornings who have to sometimes walk on an active street during rush hour because the sidewalks are occupied by makeshift tents

I can't find the story but I'm pretty sure a kid was hit by a car because of this exact thing last year. So this story about an elderly woman will have to suffice
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/woman-struck-by-car-on-street-where-tents-were-blocking-sidewalk-is-suing-l-a/


Nah, I'm pretty sure it's the people without a pot to piss in rather than people who have to avoid them. If those people had homes, this wouldn't happen.

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Vicious_Dios
08/10/22 10:42:25 PM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
I'm sure there's a latrine available somewhere

No need.

The previous tenant has 3 fuctional bathrooms for me to choose from within this house.


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Frolex
08/10/22 10:43:43 PM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
A "step in the right direction" would be evicting those applauding this and housing the homeless there. It's a potential win-win, the homeless have homes and maybe, just maybe, the ones evicted will gain a tiny shred of empathy.

and as a bonus they get to own the libs by proving just how easy it is for the homeless to pull themselves up by their bootstraps without the need for society to treat them as human beings, there's no downside

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K181
08/10/22 10:44:47 PM
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So they're literally taking a problem and pushing it somewhere else?

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Blue_Inigo
08/10/22 10:45:02 PM
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How long before we outlaw being homeless? This solves nothing

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ZMythos
08/10/22 10:46:47 PM
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Northlane posted...
Why should California continue to pay the price of being "accommodating" when there's 49 other states in the union, many with lower costs of living
Yea! Maybe they should walk from LA to one of those other states.


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FaultyCircuitry
08/10/22 10:50:19 PM
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the hate spewed by the usual suspects here is not at all surprising, but disgusting none the less


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David1988
08/10/22 10:53:49 PM
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California definitely has to figure out a much more humane way to address the homeless problem, but Im not gonna fault people for not wanting homeless camps around their kids school

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ChocoboMogALT
08/10/22 10:54:13 PM
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Whar a surprise that homelessness skyrockets as housing prices reach historic heights. What a strange connection of circumstances.

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ICantSing
08/10/22 10:56:19 PM
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Do we have any meaningful statistics of the circumstances of homeless people? I really have to imagine most are mental health/drug related, which means the idea of even getting them to stay in some kind of housing would be difficult.
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SiO4
08/10/22 10:57:04 PM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
What a surprise that homelessness skyrockets as housing prices reach historic heights. What a strange connection of circumstances.


For real.

Gentrify a Community - Complain about The Homeless.

What a fine country we are.

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Antifar
08/10/22 11:00:50 PM
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ICantSing posted...
I really have to imagine most are mental health/drug related, which means the idea of even getting them to stay in some kind of housing would be difficult.
The places with the most homelessness aren't the places with the biggest drug or mental illness problems; they're the places with the highest housing prices.
https://www.sightline.org/2022/03/16/homelessness-is-a-housing-problem/
The graphics above demonstrate that variation in rates of homelessness cannot be explained by variation in rates of individual factors such as poverty and mental illness. In fact, where poverty is higher, homelessness is lower, which is perhaps a counterintuitive result. Similarly, there are not higher rates of people with serious mental illness in locations with high rates of homelessness. Therefore, high rates of homelessness are not the result of more people with certain individual vulnerabilities residing in those locations. Poverty rates in Detroit, for instance, are far higher than in San Francisco, but rates of homelessness in Detroit are but a fraction of those observed in the Bay Area.
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These are the conditionsthe structural factorsthat explain the observed variation. In our data set, housing market conditions explain the most variation in rates of homelessness observed around the country. Cities with higher rents and lower rental-vacancy rates (i.e., tighter housing markets) see higher per capita rates of homelessness. This is where a fuller picture comes into view. Individual risk factors help account for who in a given city might lose their housing at any given point in time, but housing marketsrents and vacancy ratesset the context in which those risk factors are expressed. Without looking at housing markets, you cant explain why Seattle has a much higher rate of homelessness than Chicago, Minneapolis, or Dallas. The fundamental conclusion is that the consequences of individual vulnerabilities are far more severe in locations with less accommodating housing markets.


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CanadianMafK
08/10/22 11:08:11 PM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
A "step in the right direction" would be evicting those applauding this and housing the homeless there. It's a potential win-win, the homeless have homes and maybe, just maybe, the ones evicted will gain a tiny shred of empathy.

maybe you should take a few in. That would be a step in the right direction

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ICantSing
08/10/22 11:11:20 PM
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Antifar posted...
The places with the most homelessness aren't the places with the biggest drug or mental illness problems; they're the places with the highest housing prices.
https://www.sightline.org/2022/03/16/homelessness-is-a-housing-problem/
The problem there is they don't seem to really give a strict definition of homeless. They're lumping in all types of homelessness, which are all problems to fix but with different levels of importance. If we're talking about people who are homeless 24/7, which is generally the main point of concern in cases like TC's article, then we're talking about a specific subset of people.
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ZMythos
08/10/22 11:11:42 PM
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CanadianMafK posted...
maybe you should take a few in. That would be a step in the right direction
Ah yes, the old "maybe YOU should do something about this systemic issue since you care about it so much I am very smart" retort.


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TheAttackTitan
08/10/22 11:11:43 PM
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Northlane posted...
The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as is

The idea of housing the homeless before everyone else is and always has been absurd

Why should California continue to pay the price of being "accommodating" when there's 49 other states in the union, many with lower costs of living
So, shall we fix the zoning issues?

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FaultyCircuitry
08/10/22 11:13:31 PM
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a step in the right direction would be to ban AirBnB and massive corporate purchasing of real estate

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FaultyCircuitry
08/10/22 11:14:03 PM
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also banning single family zoning

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LordRazziel
08/10/22 11:14:20 PM
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Northlane posted...
The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as is

The idea of housing the homeless before everyone else is and always has been absurd

Why should California continue to pay the price of being "accommodating" when there's 49 other states in the union, many with lower costs of living


ScazarMeltex posted...
People like TC nor the Nimbys give a fuck. They don't think of them as people.


Also, funny how he did a ninja vanish

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coolguyjimmy
08/10/22 11:19:18 PM
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59% of Americans are one pay check away from being homeless: https://invisiblepeople.tv/59-of-americans-are-just-one-paycheck-away-from-homelessness/
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Northlane
08/10/22 11:31:56 PM
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LordRazziel posted...
Also, funny how he did a ninja vanish
I don't care for back and forths when they're about the drug addicts sleeping on the streets who contribute nothing to society

Same way I don't care to argue with pitbull apologists

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TheSavageDragon
08/10/22 11:39:04 PM
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CanadianMafK posted...
maybe you should take a few in. That would be a step in the right direction

I don't need to. I live in a country that actually bothers trying to help these people. How about you provide the funds to get them here seeing as you and your ilk are so keen on disposing of them?
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ChocoboMogALT
08/10/22 11:47:00 PM
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It's not like there's unprecedented inflation and a housing crisis. No, everyone who can't afford $2000/mo is a drug addict according to TC.

He should seriously try living unhoused for a month and see what life is like for these people.

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JuanCarlos1
08/11/22 12:15:15 AM
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There are also lots of shelters that most homeless refuse to use due to being given curfews and unable to bring drugs in. Also some of them being MH patients dont care or understand. So a lot of them just prefer to live like that. What do we do about that?

I dont want kids or even myself to be subjected to watch people inject needles on themselves til they die of overdose.

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OwlRammer
08/11/22 12:17:03 AM
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what's next, they are gonna build a school or daycare every 1000 feet?

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Heartomaton
08/11/22 12:23:43 AM
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Northlane posted...
I don't care for back and forths when they're about the drug addicts sleeping on the streets who contribute nothing to society

There it is. We all knew it was coming.

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KainWind
08/11/22 12:28:13 AM
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If we extend it far enough, maybe they will simply vanish.

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MICHALECOLE
08/11/22 12:32:40 AM
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Any homeless people caught within 500 ft of schools or daycares will be round up and put in a house, given a shower, have a doctor look at them and diagnose them with any necessary medication, and then they will be put into a program to help them get a job and get back on their feet

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Kamen_Rider_Blade
08/11/22 12:40:59 AM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Any homeless people caught within 500 ft of schools or daycares will be round up and put in a house, given a shower, have a doctor look at them and diagnose them with any necessary medication, and then they will be put into a program to help them get a job and get back on their feet

no exceptions

And if the homeless folks refuse to be rounded up, refuse to see a doctor, refuse medication, refuse treatment, refuse to be part of normal functioning society where they have to work?

Then what?

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TheSavageDragon
08/11/22 12:42:48 AM
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JuanCarlos1 posted...
There are also lots of shelters that most homeless refuse to use due to being given curfews and unable to bring drugs in. Also some of them being MH patients dont care or understand. So a lot of them just prefer to live like that. What do we do about that?

I dont want kids or even myself to be subjected to watch people inject needles on themselves til they die of overdose.

You can start by trying to imagine what they're subjected to for a second. This problem is only ever going to be lessened if people try to better the lives of others instead of their own.
I mean...here you are going "they are a nuisance to me" which is exactly how it got the way it did. Think about how all this affects them 24/7 instead of the minute it takes you to quickly walk past them.

How about properly funded mental healthcare? People don't prefer to be treated like human garbage, they don't prefer to be hungry, wet or cold. Not being able to participate in "normal" society, temporarily or otherwise, doesn't mean they prefer it.

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Etna
08/11/22 12:44:43 AM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
A "step in the right direction" would be evicting those applauding this and housing the homeless there. It's a potential win-win, the homeless have homes and maybe, just maybe, the ones evicted will gain a tiny shred of empathy.
How many homeless tenants do you house? 50? 60?

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