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Northlane 08/10/22 10:11:08 PM #1: |
https://laist.com/news/housing-homelessness/la-city-council-passes-ban-on-homeless-encampments-near-schools-and-daycares Finally, a step in the right direction. Huge chunks of the city are now exclusions zones i.e. 44% of Venice https://www.latimes.com/projects/homeless-sleeping-maps/ --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life." LAL | LV | LAD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WalkingLobsters 08/10/22 10:12:00 PM #2: |
doesn't address the underlying problem/10 --- http://i.imgur.com/fsYJcFn.jpg http://i.imgur.com/SZie71I.jpg Starcraft 2 Username = Gears ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 08/10/22 10:12:18 PM #3: |
Question: where are they going to go? --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SiO4 08/10/22 10:13:03 PM #4: |
WalkingLobsters posted... doesn't address the underlying problem/10 --- "Whatever the reason you're on Mars, I'm glad you're there, and I wish I was with you." ~Carl Sagan. Currently playing: Flight Simulator X.~PC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 08/10/22 10:19:01 PM #5: |
Antifar posted... Question: where are they going to go?People like TC nor the Nimbys give a fuck. They don't think of them as people. --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonOctopus 08/10/22 10:20:33 PM #6: |
Antifar posted... Question: where are they going to go?500 ft away from a school duh --- http://i.imgur.com/nlaY1qH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zHJ1OCo.gif http://i.imgur.com/btBPP4E.jpg http://i.imgur.com/1B3bMHw.gif https://imgur.com/nQik2zW ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Northlane 08/10/22 10:22:38 PM #7: |
The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as is The idea of housing the homeless before everyone else is and always has been absurd Why should California continue to pay the price of being "accommodating" when there's 49 other states in the union, many with lower costs of living --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life." LAL | LV | LAD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vicious_Dios 08/10/22 10:23:43 PM #9: |
Good. Should be more than just 500 ft, but this is certainly a step in a better direction. --- S / K / Y / N / E ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 08/10/22 10:26:28 PM #10: |
Northlane posted... The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as is Maybe we should take care of the people with the most need first? You seem to have a problem with them existing in certain areas, but also don't want their urgent needs taken care of urgently. So what exactly do you wan them to do? Maybe your anger should be directed at whatever is increasing the cost of living for everyone, or causing fellow citizens to become homeless, or restricting the supply of affordable housing? I think you'd find some common answers to those questions. Where as blaming people on the ass end of society and shuffling them around solves nothing. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Background_Guy 08/10/22 10:28:13 PM #11: |
So they did absolutely nothing except make the problem slightly easier to ignore ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheSavageDragon 08/10/22 10:30:05 PM #12: |
A "step in the right direction" would be evicting those applauding this and housing the homeless there. It's a potential win-win, the homeless have homes and maybe, just maybe, the ones evicted will gain a tiny shred of empathy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 08/10/22 10:30:17 PM #13: |
Vicious_Dios posted... Good.What do you suggest we should do with them? --- Furthermore, The GOP is a Fascist Organization and must be destroyed ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vicious_Dios 08/10/22 10:31:54 PM #15: |
TheSavageDragon posted... A "step in the right direction" would be evicting those applauding this and housing the homeless there. It's a potential win-win, the homeless have homes and maybe, just maybe, the ones evicted will gain a tiny shred of empathy. Welp, looks like I'm moving back in after being suddenly homeless. --- S / K / Y / N / E ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jiek_Fafn 08/10/22 10:32:06 PM #16: |
Push them somewhere else --- I don't believe in belts. There should be no ranking system for toughness. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheSavageDragon 08/10/22 10:34:08 PM #17: |
Vicious_Dios posted... Welp, looks like I'm moving back in after being suddenly homeless. I'm sure there's a latrine available somewhere ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Northlane 08/10/22 10:35:09 PM #18: |
legendary_zell posted... Maybe we should take care of the people with the most need first? You seem to have a problem with them existing in certain areas, but also don't want their urgent needs taken care of urgently. So what exactly do you wan them to do?The people with the most need in this case are the kids walking to school in the mornings who have to sometimes walk on an active street during rush hour because the sidewalks are occupied by makeshift tents I can't find the story but I'm pretty sure a kid was hit by a car because of this exact thing last year. So this story about an elderly woman will have to suffice https://ktla.com/news/local-news/woman-struck-by-car-on-street-where-tents-were-blocking-sidewalk-is-suing-l-a/ --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life." LAL | LV | LAD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChocoboMogALT 08/10/22 10:35:58 PM #19: |
Northlane posted... The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as isSimple google search shows this is false. Vacant homes outnumber the homeless, to some degree. And if the issue is zoning, development, etc - fix that. The real issue is that you don't want to allocate resources to fix the issue. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 08/10/22 10:39:39 PM #20: |
Northlane posted... The people with the most need in this case are the kids walking to school in the mornings who have to sometimes walk on an active street during rush hour because the sidewalks are occupied by makeshift tents Nah, I'm pretty sure it's the people without a pot to piss in rather than people who have to avoid them. If those people had homes, this wouldn't happen. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vicious_Dios 08/10/22 10:42:25 PM #21: |
TheSavageDragon posted... I'm sure there's a latrine available somewhere No need. The previous tenant has 3 fuctional bathrooms for me to choose from within this house. --- S / K / Y / N / E ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Frolex 08/10/22 10:43:43 PM #22: |
TheSavageDragon posted... A "step in the right direction" would be evicting those applauding this and housing the homeless there. It's a potential win-win, the homeless have homes and maybe, just maybe, the ones evicted will gain a tiny shred of empathy. and as a bonus they get to own the libs by proving just how easy it is for the homeless to pull themselves up by their bootstraps without the need for society to treat them as human beings, there's no downside --- http://i.imgur.com/HOLHd4k.gif http://i.imgur.com/six2WTN.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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K181 08/10/22 10:44:47 PM #23: |
So they're literally taking a problem and pushing it somewhere else? --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blue_Inigo 08/10/22 10:45:02 PM #24: |
How long before we outlaw being homeless? This solves nothing --- "This is your last dance." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZMythos 08/10/22 10:46:47 PM #25: |
Northlane posted... Why should California continue to pay the price of being "accommodating" when there's 49 other states in the union, many with lower costs of livingYea! Maybe they should walk from LA to one of those other states. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: *kissu* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FaultyCircuitry 08/10/22 10:50:19 PM #27: |
the hate spewed by the usual suspects here is not at all surprising, but disgusting none the less --- And I'd never do it but it's not a joke; I can't tell the difference when I'm all alone ~[she/her|they/them]~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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David1988 08/10/22 10:53:49 PM #28: |
California definitely has to figure out a much more humane way to address the homeless problem, but Im not gonna fault people for not wanting homeless camps around their kids school --- "Let's be honest...I'm everybody's type. I just gotta highlight the parts that appeal to her the most" - No_U_L7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChocoboMogALT 08/10/22 10:54:13 PM #29: |
Whar a surprise that homelessness skyrockets as housing prices reach historic heights. What a strange connection of circumstances. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ICantSing 08/10/22 10:56:19 PM #31: |
Do we have any meaningful statistics of the circumstances of homeless people? I really have to imagine most are mental health/drug related, which means the idea of even getting them to stay in some kind of housing would be difficult. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SiO4 08/10/22 10:57:04 PM #32: |
ChocoboMogALT posted... What a surprise that homelessness skyrockets as housing prices reach historic heights. What a strange connection of circumstances. For real. Gentrify a Community - Complain about The Homeless. What a fine country we are. --- "Whatever the reason you're on Mars, I'm glad you're there, and I wish I was with you." ~Carl Sagan. Currently playing: Flight Simulator X.~PC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 08/10/22 11:00:50 PM #33: |
ICantSing posted... I really have to imagine most are mental health/drug related, which means the idea of even getting them to stay in some kind of housing would be difficult.The places with the most homelessness aren't the places with the biggest drug or mental illness problems; they're the places with the highest housing prices. https://www.sightline.org/2022/03/16/homelessness-is-a-housing-problem/ The graphics above demonstrate that variation in rates of homelessness cannot be explained by variation in rates of individual factors such as poverty and mental illness. In fact, where poverty is higher, homelessness is lower, which is perhaps a counterintuitive result. Similarly, there are not higher rates of people with serious mental illness in locations with high rates of homelessness. Therefore, high rates of homelessness are not the result of more people with certain individual vulnerabilities residing in those locations. Poverty rates in Detroit, for instance, are far higher than in San Francisco, but rates of homelessness in Detroit are but a fraction of those observed in the Bay Area. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CanadianMafK 08/10/22 11:08:11 PM #34: |
TheSavageDragon posted... A "step in the right direction" would be evicting those applauding this and housing the homeless there. It's a potential win-win, the homeless have homes and maybe, just maybe, the ones evicted will gain a tiny shred of empathy. maybe you should take a few in. That would be a step in the right direction ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ICantSing 08/10/22 11:11:20 PM #35: |
Antifar posted... The places with the most homelessness aren't the places with the biggest drug or mental illness problems; they're the places with the highest housing prices.The problem there is they don't seem to really give a strict definition of homeless. They're lumping in all types of homelessness, which are all problems to fix but with different levels of importance. If we're talking about people who are homeless 24/7, which is generally the main point of concern in cases like TC's article, then we're talking about a specific subset of people. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZMythos 08/10/22 11:11:42 PM #36: |
CanadianMafK posted... maybe you should take a few in. That would be a step in the right directionAh yes, the old "maybe YOU should do something about this systemic issue since you care about it so much I am very smart" retort. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: *kissu* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheAttackTitan 08/10/22 11:11:43 PM #37: |
Northlane posted... The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as isSo, shall we fix the zoning issues? "No, I'd prefer yeeting the homeless into the sun." - a random piece of shit. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FaultyCircuitry 08/10/22 11:13:31 PM #38: |
a step in the right direction would be to ban AirBnB and massive corporate purchasing of real estate --- And I'd never do it but it's not a joke; I can't tell the difference when I'm all alone ~[she/her|they/them]~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FaultyCircuitry 08/10/22 11:14:03 PM #39: |
also banning single family zoning --- And I'd never do it but it's not a joke; I can't tell the difference when I'm all alone ~[she/her|they/them]~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordRazziel 08/10/22 11:14:20 PM #40: |
Northlane posted... The way the city is zoned, there's not enough housing for the paying people who want it. There's enough people in Los Angeles already who struggle to find and maintain apartment living as is ScazarMeltex posted... People like TC nor the Nimbys give a fuck. They don't think of them as people. Also, funny how he did a ninja vanish --- https://i.imgtc.com/xg91pMF.gif https://i.imgtc.com/YvvIsuz.gif. On really romantic evenings of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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coolguyjimmy 08/10/22 11:19:18 PM #41: |
59% of Americans are one pay check away from being homeless: https://invisiblepeople.tv/59-of-americans-are-just-one-paycheck-away-from-homelessness/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Northlane 08/10/22 11:31:56 PM #42: |
LordRazziel posted... Also, funny how he did a ninja vanishI don't care for back and forths when they're about the drug addicts sleeping on the streets who contribute nothing to society Same way I don't care to argue with pitbull apologists --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life." LAL | LV | LAD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheSavageDragon 08/10/22 11:39:04 PM #43: |
CanadianMafK posted... maybe you should take a few in. That would be a step in the right direction I don't need to. I live in a country that actually bothers trying to help these people. How about you provide the funds to get them here seeing as you and your ilk are so keen on disposing of them? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChocoboMogALT 08/10/22 11:47:00 PM #44: |
It's not like there's unprecedented inflation and a housing crisis. No, everyone who can't afford $2000/mo is a drug addict according to TC. He should seriously try living unhoused for a month and see what life is like for these people. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JuanCarlos1 08/11/22 12:15:15 AM #45: |
There are also lots of shelters that most homeless refuse to use due to being given curfews and unable to bring drugs in. Also some of them being MH patients dont care or understand. So a lot of them just prefer to live like that. What do we do about that? I dont want kids or even myself to be subjected to watch people inject needles on themselves til they die of overdose. --- Mas dicen, que en las dimensiones de nuestro ser... hay muchos detalles por conocer... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OwlRammer 08/11/22 12:17:03 AM #46: |
what's next, they are gonna build a school or daycare every 1000 feet? --- http://i.imgur.com/ji9KF3f.jpg http://i.imgur.com/p3G1Hvd.png http://puu.sh/ovZuS/97325c05b3.jpg http://puu.sh/ovZB2/eeee237f49.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heartomaton 08/11/22 12:23:43 AM #47: |
Northlane posted... I don't care for back and forths when they're about the drug addicts sleeping on the streets who contribute nothing to society There it is. We all knew it was coming. --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KainWind 08/11/22 12:28:13 AM #48: |
If we extend it far enough, maybe they will simply vanish. --- Momentai ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MICHALECOLE 08/11/22 12:32:40 AM #49: |
Any homeless people caught within 500 ft of schools or daycares will be round up and put in a house, given a shower, have a doctor look at them and diagnose them with any necessary medication, and then they will be put into a program to help them get a job and get back on their feet no exceptions ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kamen_Rider_Blade 08/11/22 12:40:59 AM #50: |
MICHALECOLE posted... Any homeless people caught within 500 ft of schools or daycares will be round up and put in a house, given a shower, have a doctor look at them and diagnose them with any necessary medication, and then they will be put into a program to help them get a job and get back on their feet And if the homeless folks refuse to be rounded up, refuse to see a doctor, refuse medication, refuse treatment, refuse to be part of normal functioning society where they have to work? Then what? --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico' ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheSavageDragon 08/11/22 12:42:48 AM #51: |
JuanCarlos1 posted... There are also lots of shelters that most homeless refuse to use due to being given curfews and unable to bring drugs in. Also some of them being MH patients dont care or understand. So a lot of them just prefer to live like that. What do we do about that? You can start by trying to imagine what they're subjected to for a second. This problem is only ever going to be lessened if people try to better the lives of others instead of their own. I mean...here you are going "they are a nuisance to me" which is exactly how it got the way it did. Think about how all this affects them 24/7 instead of the minute it takes you to quickly walk past them. How about properly funded mental healthcare? People don't prefer to be treated like human garbage, they don't prefer to be hungry, wet or cold. Not being able to participate in "normal" society, temporarily or otherwise, doesn't mean they prefer it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Etna 08/11/22 12:44:43 AM #52: |
TheSavageDragon posted... A "step in the right direction" would be evicting those applauding this and housing the homeless there. It's a potential win-win, the homeless have homes and maybe, just maybe, the ones evicted will gain a tiny shred of empathy.How many homeless tenants do you house? 50? 60? --- https://i.imgur.com/OlKhtDy.gif https://i.imgur.com/ZtoMK5o.gif https://i.imgur.com/74NcmdK.gif https://i.imgur.com/UOQ9An8.mp4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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