Poll of the Day > The FBI have raided Mar a Lago today

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BlackScythe0 posted...

Yea shes an actual fucking traitor too.

I don't know what other words you could use to describe mtg other than completely insane. One of those people you can tell is mentally ill just by looking at their face.

SeahorseCpt89 posted...

Love how we're jumping the gun before knowing the full details on what they found.

Why do you love it? The traitors only care about ending the constitution, do you actually think MTG cares about this country?

Well, they better have found what they're looking for. If they didn't, they're setting an extremely dangerous precedent. Still bad either way considering the country is already steering towards another civil war.

Ozmose posted...

Well, they better have found what they're looking for. If they didn't, they're setting an extremely dangerous precedent. Still bad either way considering the country is already steering towards another civil war.

Because of traitors like you.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Because of traitors like you.

Lol, wut?

I'm a constitutionalist, and contrary to what people around here think, I'm not really a big fan of Trump.

Ozmose posted...

Lol, wut?

I'm a constitutionalist, and contrary to what people around here think, I'm not really a big fan of Trump.

You're a conservative, current conservatives hate the constitution.

BlackScythe0 posted...

You're a conservative, current conservatives hate the constitution.

Really? I rather love the constitution. Well, everything but the 16th amendment.
How about the 1st and 2nd? Where do you stand on those? I can say I'm perfectly happy with everything in the bill of rights, and they should remain untouched. Can you say the same?

Ozmose posted...

Really? I rather love the constitution. Well, everything but the 16th amendment.
How about the 1st and 2nd? Where do you stand on those? I can say I'm perfectly happy with everything in the bill of rights, and they should remain untouched. Can you say the same?

What do you think the IRS is a private corporation or something?

BlackScythe0 posted...

What do you think the IRS is a private corporation or something?

That doesn't answer the question.

Ozmose posted...

Really? I rather love the constitution. Well, everything but the 16th amendment.
How about the 1st and 2nd? Where do you stand on those? I can say I'm perfectly happy with everything in the bill of rights, and they should remain untouched. Can you say the same?

Okay, at what point should we have locked those down to never be changed again? Also I guess that means the Supreme Court is pointless now.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Why do you love it? The traitors only care about ending the constitution, do you actually think MTG cares about this country?

.....you can't detect sarcasm, can you?

ZangsBeard posted...

Okay, at what point should we have locked those down to never be changed again? Also I guess that means the Supreme Court is pointless now.

Well, it's called the bill of rights for a reason. They're the founding principles of this nation. It can be easily argued that wanting to change them, equates to wanting to change the very essence of America, and any attempt to undermine them through any act other than a meeting of constitutional congress is in fact treason.

I thought the IRS WAS a private company...

Also, I think y'alls 13th ammendment should be fixed since it was supposed to be an anti-slavery ammendment but it's somehow the biggest source of slavery in the world right onw

Lokarin posted...

I thought the IRS WAS a private company...

It certainly benefits them the most.

Ozmose posted...

they're setting an extremely dangerous precedent

By... investigating criminals?

Ozmose posted...

It can be easily argued that wanting to change them, equates to wanting to change the very essence of America, and any attempt to undermine them through any act other than a meeting of constitutional congress is in fact treason.

It can't be argued well though.

Ozmose posted...

Well, it's called the bill of rights for a reason. They're the founding principles of this nation. It can be easily argued that wanting to change them, equates to wanting to change the very essence of America, and any attempt to undermine them through any act other than a meeting of constitutional congress is in fact treason.

lol

Thats a lot of deflection bruh.

Ozmose posted...

I'm not really a big fan of Trump.

People that defend Trump non-stop sure love saying this.

HarbingerofHope posted...

People that defend Trump non-stop sure love saying this.

Consistently makes conservative posts, spouts party talking points, tries to play silly gotcha games, and has never condemned him.

"Yea I don't like him"

We don't have many left leaning centrists left but they still think we're stupid enough to ignore all the far right stuff they say.

still waiting for a screenshot/link of him telling people to attack anyone.
if people are responsible for what crazy people do "for them" then that must mean Jodie foster was responsible for Hinckley...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

still waiting for a screenshot/link of him telling people to attack anyone.
if people are responsible for what crazy people do "for them" then that must mean Jodie foster was responsible for Hinckley...

And this folks is the absolute lunacy we are up against. People rejecting reality and acting like they are being perfectly reasonable and unable to understand how we are able to perceive reality.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

still waiting for a screenshot/link of him telling people to attack anyone.
if people are responsible for what crazy people do "for them" then that must mean Jodie foster was responsible for Hinckley...

when has trying to be disingenuous ever worked for you on this website

you keep trying, along with the rest of your ilk, and it just

it literally never works

BlackScythe0 posted...

And this folks is the absolute lunacy we are up against. People rejecting reality and acting like they are being perfectly reasonable and unable to understand how we are able to perceive reality.

if he did it, where is the evidence he told them too?
you seem to think it's crystal clear, so it should be simple to show some proof

Why would anyone show you anything? You will twist whatever you're shown into whatever shape you need it to be to feel like you made the superior point. Your brain worms are obvious to the rest of us so it's absolutely pointless to show you anything.

Metalsonic66 posted...

By... investigating criminals?

They need to convict him if they want to keep calling him a criminal. Everyone keeps saying it's so obvious that he's guilty of a bunch of crimes. Then charge him!!! If it's so cut and dry. Why is he not in prison? They've been painting this picture for years now, and it never goes anywhere. Until he's in cuffs, it's all just talk.

Ozmose posted...

They need to convict him if they want to keep calling him a criminal. Everyone keeps saying it's so obvious that he's guilty of a bunch of crimes. Then charge him!!! If it's so cut and dry. Why is he not in prison? They've been painting this picture for years now, and it never goes anywhere. Until he's in cuffs, it's all just talk.

Don't you think they would want to do the most thorough investigation they've ever done considering it's a former president? That takes time and care. The FBI has a 90%+ conviction rate. They don't pursue cases they think they'll lose.

Ozmose posted...

They need to convict him if they want to keep calling him a criminal. Everyone keeps saying it's so obvious that he's guilty of a bunch of crimes. Then charge him!!! If it's so cut and dry. Why is he not in prison? They've been painting this picture for years now, and it never goes anywhere. Until he's in cuffs, it's all just talk.

Uhm, no? A criminal is someone who has committed, or is currently committing a crime. A convict is someone who has been convicted for a crime.

There obviously is an overlap between the two, but do not think pretending one actually has the meaning of the other is some kind of gotcha moment.

It was already shown conclusively that he obstructed justice during the Mueller investigations and that he was shaking down Zelensky for dirt on Biden.

If you argue that Trump isn't already a criminal you're telling on yourself.

b t w

his january 6th speech

https://i.imgur.com/CuZdLNK.png

this is almost word for word the speeches in movies to rile up the people to go to war

but i'm guessing now the goalpost will have been moved again with some light gaslighting sprinkled in, as per usual

Jen0125 posted...

Don't you think they would want to do the most thorough investigation they've ever done considering it's a former president? That takes time and care. The FBI has a 90%+ conviction rate. They don't pursue cases they think they'll lose.

They'll pursue whatever they're told to. You only need look to the J. Edgar Hoover years to see how the FBI is willing to behave.

hera posted...

b t w

his january 6th speech

https://i.imgur.com/CuZdLNK.png

you have never heard someone use "fight" and not mean physically?

ex:
"fight this in court" doesn't mean an actual fight

i'm disappointed because for some reason i expected a better attempt and

he didn't deliver

anyways

Krazy_Kirby posted...

you have never heard someone use "fight" and not mean physically?

ex:
"fight this in court" doesn't mean an actual fight

this is fine

but do you know which interpretation of that word they used

because i sure do

do you know which interpretation of that word they didn't disown?

it's the same word

hera posted...

b t w

his january 6th speech

https://i.imgur.com/CuZdLNK.png

this is almost word for word the speeches in movies to rile up the people to go to war

but i'm guessing now the goalpost will have been moved again with some light gaslighting sprinkled in, as per usual

https://youtu.be/Mo96_nfW_Qw

Krazy_Kirby posted...

if he did it, where is the evidence he told them too?
you seem to think it's crystal clear, so it should be simple to show some proof

This post translates from conservative to english as "Please waste your time trying to explain the obvious to me for me to simply hand wave it away"

hera posted...

i'm disappointed because for some reason i expected a better attempt and

he didn't deliver

Did you truly? It's been the conservative gimmick for as long as I've been alive. Say stuff and then tell people they are interpreting it wrong.

BlackScythe0 posted...

This post translates from conservative to english as "Please waste your time trying to explain the obvious to me for me to simply hand wave it away"

So obvious it can't hold up in a court of law.

Ozmose posted...

https://youtu.be/Mo96_nfW_Qw

this is not the gotcha that you think it is because there is only one group that has acted on the concept of the word "fight" with the interpretation of physical assault and it is not that one, while also having the president of the country at that time encouraging said physical assault at the time rather than attempt to stop it

you really need to accept that you're fully right and red, you can't even hide it it's in plain sight.

and you absolutely need to feel bad because you know they are the bad ones.

hera posted...

this is not the gotcha that you think it is because there is only one group that has acted on the concept of the word "fight" with the interpretation of physical assault and it is not that one, while also having the president of the country at that time encouraging said physical assault at the time rather than attempt to stop it

Whataboutism is the tool of despots, they can't defend themselves so they try to bring themselves up to their betters level.

The people who were there said why they there. These people just don't care about reality.

Edit: also just want to mention that is a guy desperately trying to defend and indefensible man he said he didn't like.

hera posted...

this is not the gotcha that you think it is because there is only one group that has acted on the concept of the word "fight" with the interpretation of physical assault and it is not that one, while also having the president of the country at that time encouraging said physical assault at the time rather than attempt to stop it

Pretty sure there's a lot of groups that have taken that word quite literally. Jane's Revenge is doing it right now.

are they backed by the president of the country?

they aren't.

there is a very

very

distinct difference

Ozmose posted...

They need to convict him if they want to keep calling him a criminal.

Yes, and what do they do when they want to convict someone?

They investigate.

hera posted...

are they backed by the president of the country?

they aren't.

there is a very

very

distinct difference

I think you believe there is. I also think you perceive a whole subset of the american people as some kind of violent hive mind, so you already have a very jaded perspective on the situation.

I have a silly-pants question: If someone commits a crime with the entire world as a witness... how do you find a neutral jury?

Lokarin posted...

I thought the IRS WAS a private company...

Also, I think y'alls 13th ammendment should be fixed since it was supposed to be an anti-slavery ammendment but it's somehow the biggest source of slavery in the world right onw

Wat.

hera posted...

b t w

his january 6th speech

https://i.imgur.com/CuZdLNK.png

this is almost word for word the speeches in movies to rile up the people to go to war

but i'm guessing now the goalpost will have been moved again with some light gaslighting sprinkled in, as per usual

Why are you arguing about fiction like it's real life?

Why do you always ask pedantic questions that show you have no concept of how the world works?

Revelation34 posted...

Wat.

Prison labour

Revelation34 posted...

Why are you arguing about fiction like it's real life?

because it was the easiest way to describe what generals and chieftans have been doing in real life since they figured out how tribes worked without having to actually look specific instances up because that's boring and takes time and i'm playing rocket league typing in between goals

pre-war, hell pre-any event really, morale boosting speeches meant to rile and incite is a very, very real thing that isn't just something they do in movies

anything else you would like to know while i am here

Zangulus posted...

Jesus christ, we know you like to be wrong, but slavery isn't the fucking topic to be a contrarian asshole about.

Wat.