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FelineCyborg 08/06/22 1:55:58 PM #1:	I know it's fun to hate Snyder movies but this one is actually good. Yes its light on actual characterization and things just kind of happen. But a lot of animes are like this, and man of steel actually has good pacing which is more than you can say for all the marvel movies (except civil war that one is good). Like did people want more of just people talking or something? We know Lois lane and superman end up together it's like let's just skip to this IHOP being fucked up. The action was well shot. There wasn't any shaky cam and the scope of destruction was pretty well framed. Also Michael Shannon as zod really tied everything together. ("I will find him!") I really don't get the hate this movie gets. It's good. It's an old movie but the special effects still look Incredible --- "well, yeah, and a lot of minorities go to see minstrel shows, too." - PyroSpoon <cite>FelineCyborg posted [p:967117523] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>I know it's fun to hate Snyder movies but this one is actually good.Yes its light on actual characterization and things just kind of happen.But a lot of animes are like this, and man of steel actually has good pacing which is more than you can say for all the marvel movies (except civil war that one is good). Like did people want more of just people talking or something? We know Lois lane and superman end up together it's like let's just skip to this IHOP being fucked up.The action was well shot. There wasn't any shaky cam and the scope of destruction was pretty well framed. Also Michael Shannon as zod really tied everything together. ("I will find him!")I really don't get the hate this movie gets. It's good. It's an old movie but the special effects still look Incredible</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcrasternus 08/06/22 1:59:03 PM #2:	I liked it, yeah. --- 4/15/1951 - 3/18/2014 <cite>Malcrasternus posted [p:967117588] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>I liked it, yeah. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 08/06/22 2:03:26 PM #3:	The big action spectacle at the end was good, but everything before that was hella boring. And the subsequent movies were all really bad, so I think it kinda gets lumped in with all the Snyder stuff, even though it's his best effort in the DCEU. --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg <cite>lilORANG posted [p:967117673] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>The big action spectacle at the end was good, but everything before that was hella boring. And the subsequent movies were all really bad, so I think it kinda gets lumped in with all the Snyder stuff, even though it's his best effort in the DCEU. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cobra1010 08/06/22 2:05:06 PM #4:	I thought it was a bit too long. But I love that zod speech. It's one of the best in hero movies. I still like the movie but when I rewatch, I'd skip through it. Cant sit through the whole thing like I do with dark Knight and begins. --- Load me into the matrix and dont pull the plug <cite>Cobra1010 posted [p:967117713] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>I thought it was a bit too long. But I love that zod speech. It's one of the best in hero movies. I still like the movie but when I rewatch, I'd skip through it. Cant sit through the whole thing like I do with dark Knight and begins. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FelineCyborg 08/06/22 2:05:28 PM #5:	lilORANG posted... The big action spectacle at the end was good, but everything before that was hella boring. Honestly I feel this way about every marvel movie that's not the avengers or civil war...except man of steel actually had good action. In age of ultron for example I was completely detached from anything going on in the final action set piece... --- "well, yeah, and a lot of minorities go to see minstrel shows, too." - PyroSpoon <cite>FelineCyborg posted [p:967117719] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>lilORANG posted... </cite> <quote>The big action spectacle at the end was good, but everything before that was hella boring. </quote> Honestly I feel this way about every marvel movie that's not the avengers or civil war...except man of steel actually had good action. In age of ultron for example I was completely detached from anything going on in the final action set piece... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Relient_K 08/06/22 2:06:03 PM #6:	I'd always been under the impression it was Nolan that made it lol. I thought it was fine I'm just not very big on superman as a character most of the time. --- We all ate the biscuits, Fighter. We can all see through time. [ER] <cite>Relient_K posted [p:967117731] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>I'd always been under the impression it was Nolan that made it lol. I thought it was fine I'm just not very big on superman as a character most of the time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
angeleyes94 08/06/22 2:06:40 PM #7:	It was good, so was ss ss2 jl and bvs. Not perfect but fun. Now watch the directors cuts. Also bop was fun, fite me. --- You aren't even really reading my posts; you're just staring at your e-mail client and fondly reminiscing about that hobo you stabbed to death. :P <cite>angeleyes94 posted [p:967117742] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>It was good, so was ss ss2 jl and bvs. Not perfect but fun. Now watch the directors cuts. Also bop was fun, fite me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Srk700 08/06/22 2:07:49 PM #8:	John Kent's death was so incredibly stupid that it soured the rest of the movie. <cite>Srk700 posted [p:967117759] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>John Kent's death was so incredibly stupid that it soured the rest of the movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 08/06/22 2:07:53 PM #9:	It would have been alright if not for the final act. I don't think collateral damage was any priority to writers at the time so the destruction was a honest oversight I think. But his creative decision to have supes kill was a massive mistake he never quite recovered from. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:967117763] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>It would have been alright if not for the final act. I don't think collateral damage was any priority to writers at the time so the destruction was a honest oversight I think. But his creative decision to have supes kill was a massive mistake he never quite recovered from. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FelineCyborg 08/06/22 2:10:35 PM #10:	Srk700 posted... John Kent's death was so incredibly stupid that it soured the rest of the movie. I mean didn't he die of a heart attack while changing a tire or something in the one with reeves? Not much better. While it's dumb it was at least kind of fused more into the plot in this one And my guys some of the shots in this movie. Like hate Snyder all you want but aesthetically he just GETS it sometimes. He knows exactly what frames in the comics jostled my Jimmies and panders to that so well. Some of the shit looks like an Alex Ross panel in motion. It's fucking straight up beautiful. --- "well, yeah, and a lot of minorities go to see minstrel shows, too." - PyroSpoon <cite>FelineCyborg posted [p:967117817] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>Srk700 posted... </cite> <quote>John Kent's death was so incredibly stupid that it soured the rest of the movie.</quote> I mean didn't he die of a heart attack while changing a tire or something in the one with reeves? Not much better. While it's dumb it was at least kind of fused more into the plot in this one And my guys some of the shots in this movie. Like hate Snyder all you want but aesthetically he just GETS it sometimes. He knows exactly what frames in the comics jostled my Jimmies and panders to that so well. Some of the shit looks like an Alex Ross panel in motion. It's fucking straight up beautiful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hayame_Zero 08/06/22 2:13:06 PM #11:	It felt too drab and somber. Like they went for the atmosphere of a Batman movie - as if they were embarrassed by the source material and opted to not make it too traditional or silly - and ended up not feeling like Superman at all. And I don't even mean ~~him killing Zod,~~ just in general. --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame_Zero posted [p:967117870] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>It felt too drab and somber. Like they went for the atmosphere of a Batman movie - as if they were embarrassed by the source material and opted to not make it too traditional or silly - and ended up not feeling like Superman at all. And I don't even mean him killing Zod, just in general. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkBuster22904 08/06/22 2:13:57 PM #12:	It's a Superman movie made by a guy who both hates and fundamentally doesn't understand Superman as a character. He's admitted to the former, and in explaining why has showcased the latter - something that is very apparent in every movie he's had the character in. --- Haven't had a good sig idea since 2006 <cite>DarkBuster22904 posted [p:967117887] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>It's a Superman movie made by a guy who both hates and fundamentally doesn't understand Superman as a character. He's admitted to the former, and in explaining why has showcased the latter - something that is very apparent in every movie he's had the character in. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
au_gold 08/06/22 2:15:34 PM #13:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/8/9/AAZ5w5AADiRF.jpg --- Let me talk to your mother. Get your mother please. <cite>au_gold posted [p:967117913] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/8/9/AAZ5w5AADiRF.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FelineCyborg 08/06/22 2:16:25 PM #14:	Hayame_Zero posted... It felt too drab and somber. Like they went for the atmosphere of a Batman movie - as if they were embarrassed by the source material and opted to not make it too traditional or silly - and ended up not feeling like Superman at all. And I don't even mean ~~him killing Zod,~~ just in general. True it was pretty dark for a superman movie but it landed for me due to the theme of the plot of zod wanting to turn earth Into a new krypton and not letting go of the past. Zod really did make the movie work along with Michael Shannon's intensity. Lowkey underrated as fuck acting job there (Rourke carried iron man 2 the same way imo) --- "well, yeah, and a lot of minorities go to see minstrel shows, too." - PyroSpoon <cite>FelineCyborg posted [p:967117936] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>Hayame_Zero posted... </cite> <quote>It felt too drab and somber. Like they went for the atmosphere of a Batman movie - as if they were embarrassed by the source material and opted to not make it too traditional or silly - and ended up not feeling like Superman at all. And I don't even mean him killing Zod, just in general.</quote> True it was pretty dark for a superman movie but it landed for me due to the theme of the plot of zod wanting to turn earth Into a new krypton and not letting go of the past. Zod really did make the movie work along with Michael Shannon's intensity. Lowkey underrated as fuck acting job there (Rourke carried iron man 2 the same way imo) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solo_Wing 08/06/22 2:17:26 PM #15:	His dad raised his hand signaling him to let him die in a tornado, which is utterly stupid. Consider he hasn't mastered his abilities because his dad won't let him, he could've pretended to run like a human 45 degree away from their position, then upon breaking line of sight, super dash to his dad and cover him. Oh, also his dad encouraged Clark to let people die over exposing his powers to the world Otherwise the action scenes are fun --- Time to dive into the fireworks! <cite>Solo_Wing posted [p:967117951] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>His dad raised his hand signaling him to let him die in a tornado, which is utterly stupid. Consider he hasn't mastered his abilities because his dad won't let him, he could've pretended to run like a human 45 degree away from their position, then upon breaking line of sight, super dash to his dad and cover him. Oh, also his dad encouraged Clark to let people die over exposing his powers to the world Otherwise the action scenes are fun </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 08/06/22 2:17:27 PM #16:	I like Superman, not what we got there. Superman should be a bit corny and not so dark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ykt4GD7jtQ DarkBuster22904 posted... It's a Superman movie made by a guy who both hates and fundamentally doesn't understand Superman as a character. He's admitted to the former, and in explaining why has showcased the latter - something that is very apparent in every movie he's had the character in. This too. FelineCyborg posted... I mean didn't he die of a heart attack while changing a tire or something in the one with reeves? Not much better. I always thought the point was that even though Clark had powers and could help people greatly with them, that even he couldn't save pa Kent. Kinda helped cement that human life was both fragile and precious. It's the same message in both films, or at least it was trying to be that in MOS, but in the original it's handled better I think. --- http://i.imgur.com/hslUvRN.jpg When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:967117952] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>I like Superman, not what we got there. Superman should be a bit corny and not so dark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ykt4GD7jtQ DarkBuster22904 posted... </cite> <quote>It's a Superman movie made by a guy who both hates and fundamentally doesn't understand Superman as a character. He's admitted to the former, and in explaining why has showcased the latter - something that is very apparent in every movie he's had the character in.</quote> This too. FelineCyborg posted... </cite> <quote>I mean didn't he die of a heart attack while changing a tire or something in the one with reeves? Not much better.</quote> I always thought the point was that even though Clark had powers and could help people greatly with them, that even he couldn't save pa Kent. Kinda helped cement that human life was both fragile and precious. It's the same message in both films, or at least it was trying to be that in MOS, but in the original it's handled better I think. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ratchetrockon 08/06/22 2:18:09 PM #17:	It has my fave superhero fightscenes of all time!! --- I'm a Taurus I like collecting headphones and iems. My fave game of all time is DMC 3 SE on PC w/ style switch mod. IMO it the best button masher on earth <cite>Ratchetrockon posted [p:967117964] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>It has my fave superhero fightscenes of all time!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryven 08/06/22 2:21:35 PM #18:	I didnt like the gross oversaturation of product placement but I thought it was good. --- 'We're not gonna make it, are we? People i mean.' 'It's in your nature to destroy yourselves.' <cite>Ryven posted [p:967118032] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>I didnt like the gross oversaturation of product placement but I thought it was good. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FelineCyborg 08/06/22 2:21:46 PM #19:	And another thing iron man 2 gets too much Hate too. It's about Tony finding himself, it set a ton of groundwork for mcu, introduced black widow (cringy ass scene when he tells pepper "he'll take two" after their interaction) but it also has "real" moments like Tony going through personal shit and fighting war machine drunk while daft punk plays in the background. Ok that sounds completely stupid but my point is it did something different! The plot is less standard a to b to c comic book movie and more about a man finding himself and his potential. It's a good entertaining movie. It has flaws but I like it. I like how low stakes the actual conflict was and it played like filler in a way but it was the best kind of low stakes filler, when you learn more about the characters you are already invested in. --- "well, yeah, and a lot of minorities go to see minstrel shows, too." - PyroSpoon <cite>FelineCyborg posted [p:967118037] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>And another thing iron man 2 gets too much Hate too. It's about Tony finding himself, it set a ton of groundwork for mcu, introduced black widow (cringy ass scene when he tells pepper "he'll take two" after their interaction) but it also has "real" moments like Tony going through personal shit and fighting war machine drunk while daft punk plays in the background. Ok that sounds completely stupid but my point is it did something different! The plot is less standard a to b to c comic book movie and more about a man finding himself and his potential. It's a good entertaining movie. It has flaws but I like it. I like how low stakes the actual conflict was and it played like filler in a way but it was the best kind of low stakes filler, when you learn more about the characters you are already invested in. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Offworlder1 08/06/22 2:22:53 PM #20:	DarkBuster22904 posted... It's a Superman movie made by a guy who both hates and fundamentally doesn't understand Superman as a character. He's admitted to the former, and in explaining why has showcased the latter - something that is very apparent in every movie he's had the character in. This, for a true look at the characters watch Superman The Animated Series, or Smallville. --- "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" 3DS FC: 1564 - 7512 - 1815 <cite>Offworlder1 posted [p:967118066] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>DarkBuster22904 posted... </cite> <quote>It's a Superman movie made by a guy who both hates and fundamentally doesn't understand Superman as a character. He's admitted to the former, and in explaining why has showcased the latter - something that is very apparent in every movie he's had the character in.</quote>This, for a true look at the characters watch Superman The Animated Series, or Smallville. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 08/06/22 2:27:52 PM #21:	Hollywood in the late 2000s and early 2010s was trying to make literally everything dark and gritty. They hit a snag in 2013 with Superman and the Lone Ranger. Disney made fun of the Lone Ranger for being a bright and virtuous hero. Warner made Superman a killer. I think the double disappointment is what led Hollywood to change its one-size-fits-all approach to making everything grimdark. I liked Man of Steel but it's not an ideal approach for Superman. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:967118156] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>Hollywood in the late 2000s and early 2010s was trying to make literally everything dark and gritty. They hit a snag in 2013 with Superman and the Lone Ranger. Disney made fun of the Lone Ranger for being a bright and virtuous hero. Warner made Superman a killer. I think the double disappointment is what led Hollywood to change its one-size-fits-all approach to making everything grimdark. I liked Man of Steel but it's not an ideal approach for Superman. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Poorly 08/06/22 2:30:27 PM #22:	au_gold posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/8/9/AAZ5w5AADiRF.jpg Superman could have save him --- <cite>Poorly posted [p:967118212] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>au_gold posted... </cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/8/9/AAZ5w5AADiRF.jpg</quote>Superman could have save him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 08/06/22 2:33:16 PM #23:	FelineCyborg posted... I mean didn't he die of a heart attack while changing a tire or something in the one with reeves? Not much better. The heart attack isn't dumb and is significantly better than the awful tornado bullshit in MoS. The heart attack is meant to push the idea that there are some things even Clark's superpowers can't help with, unlike the tornado nonsense that he 100% could have helped with. Pa Kent dies for nothing in MoS, it's such a garbage scene. Also this DarkBuster22904 posted... It's a Superman movie made by a guy who both hates and fundamentally doesn't understand Superman as a character. He's admitted to the former, and in explaining why has showcased the latter - something that is very apparent in every movie he's had the character in. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:967118269] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>FelineCyborg posted... </cite> <quote>I mean didn't he die of a heart attack while changing a tire or something in the one with reeves? Not much better.</quote> The heart attack isn't dumb and is significantly better than the awful tornado bullshit in MoS. The heart attack is meant to push the idea that there are some things even Clark's superpowers can't help with, unlike the tornado nonsense that he 100% could have helped with. Pa Kent dies for nothing in MoS, it's such a garbage scene. Also this DarkBuster22904 posted... </cite> <quote>It's a Superman movie made by a guy who both hates and fundamentally doesn't understand Superman as a character. He's admitted to the former, and in explaining why has showcased the latter - something that is very apparent in every movie he's had the character in.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FelineCyborg 08/06/22 2:48:56 PM #24:	Not really defending that scene but it's okay to take characters in different directions in a retelling. --- "well, yeah, and a lot of minorities go to see minstrel shows, too." - PyroSpoon <cite>FelineCyborg posted [p:967118566] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>Not really defending that scene but it's okay to take characters in different directions in a retelling. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HovaRex 08/06/22 2:50:32 PM #25:	Tbh I'm already checked out before Krypton blows up, I find it that boring. --- I come back to you now, at the turn of the tide. <cite>HovaRex posted [p:967118584] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>Tbh I'm already checked out before Krypton blows up, I find it that boring. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 08/06/22 2:53:24 PM #26:	FelineCyborg posted... Not really defending that scene but it's okay to take characters in different directions in a retelling. Sure, but they took it in a bad direction, just like the scene early in the movie where Clark throws a temper tantrum and ruins a man's livelihood. Taking it in a different direction isn't a defense for it being bad. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:967118652] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>FelineCyborg posted... </cite> <quote>Not really defending that scene but it's okay to take characters in different directions in a retelling.</quote> Sure, but they took it in a bad direction, just like the scene early in the movie where Clark throws a temper tantrum and ruins a man's livelihood. Taking it in a different direction isn't a defense for it being bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 08/06/22 2:53:44 PM #27:	FelineCyborg posted... I mean didn't he die of a heart attack while changing a tire or something in the one with reeves? Not much better. Wat. Do you know how many people die from heart attacks doing mundane things? Running into a tornado is several magnitudes more stupid. --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg <cite>lilORANG posted [p:967118663] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>FelineCyborg posted... </cite> <quote>I mean didn't he die of a heart attack while changing a tire or something in the one with reeves? Not much better. </quote> Wat. Do you know how many people die from heart attacks doing mundane things? Running into a tornado is several magnitudes more stupid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 08/06/22 2:57:04 PM #28:	Hayame_Zero posted... It felt too drab and somber. Like they went for the atmosphere of a Batman movie - as if they were embarrassed by the source material and opted to not make it too traditional or silly - and ended up not feeling like Superman at all. That was my comic friends complaint when we watched it years ago <cite>dioxxys posted [p:967118753] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>Hayame_Zero posted... </cite> <quote>It felt too drab and somber. Like they went for the atmosphere of a Batman movie - as if they were embarrassed by the source material and opted to not make it too traditional or silly - and ended up not feeling like Superman at all.</quote>That was my comic friends complaint when we watched it years ago </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FelineCyborg 08/06/22 2:57:14 PM #29:	lilORANG posted... Wat. Do you know how many people die from heart attacks doing mundane things? Running into a tornado is several magnitudes more stupid. Maybe he wanted to forget about being in the postman (another movie I like actually that everybody hates ) --- "well, yeah, and a lot of minorities go to see minstrel shows, too." - PyroSpoon <cite>FelineCyborg posted [p:967118759] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>lilORANG posted... </cite> <quote>Wat. Do you know how many people die from heart attacks doing mundane things? Running into a tornado is several magnitudes more stupid.</quote> Maybe he wanted to forget about being in the postman (another movie I like actually that everybody hates ) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/06/22 3:00:04 PM #30:	FelineCyborg posted... I mean didn't he die of a heart attack while changing a tire or something in the one with reeves? Not much better. While it's dumb it was at least kind of fused more into the plot in this one You have it backwards. Yes he dies of a heart attack in All Star Superman but it was a story designed to illustrate that Superman has all this power to save people but can't save the one person that mattered most no matter how strong he was. If he had healing magic or some shit Superman definitely would have saved him. Zack tried to recreate that conflict by making it about Superman hesitating to reveal his powers instead of just being literally unable to do anything which was stupid as fuck. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:967118818] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>FelineCyborg posted... </cite> <quote>I mean didn't he die of a heart attack while changing a tire or something in the one with reeves? Not much better. While it's dumb it was at least kind of fused more into the plot in this one</quote> You have it backwards. Yes he dies of a heart attack in All Star Superman but it was a story designed to illustrate that Superman has all this power to save people but can't save the one person that mattered most no matter how strong he was. If he had healing magic or some shit Superman definitely would have saved him. Zack tried to recreate that conflict by making it about Superman hesitating to reveal his powers instead of just being literally unable to do anything which was stupid as fuck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkBuster22904 08/06/22 3:58:21 PM #31:	FelineCyborg posted... Not really defending that scene but it's okay to take characters in different directions in a retelling. Different directions, sure. But at the core it still has to BE the character. Otherwise it's not a retelling, it's just a completely different story about a different person. Superman isn't just a blue and red suit with a laundry list of busted powers. There are layers to who he is and what he represents. Zack Snyder buys into the whole "Superman's just a boring invincible boy scout, hurr durr" train of thought, which is stupidly reductive and the hallmark of people who do not understand or even like the character. It's why he "reinvented" the character as this tortured loner who doesn't fit in and kills people for the greater good. Superman's idealism isn't boring, its a burden he puts on himself. He is PAINFULLY aware of what his powers are capable of, and decides instead to be the one who "sets the standard" for what a hero should be. Just the act of BEING Superman takes a heavy toll on Clark, but he does it because ,more than anything, he's committed to doing what is RIGHT. He acts as the face of the Justice League because he's what all of these other fucked up, broken people, should be aspiring to. It's literally WHY batman respects him like he does, and lays the foundation for their entire friendship. And when you're laying the groundwork for a god damn justice league franchise, gutting the heart and soul of its very foundation is one HELL of a "different direction" to go. Zack Snyder wanted dark, broody, loner-with-a-heart-of-gold edgelord action nonsense. He was clearly still hung up on Dr. Manhattan from his Watchmen movie (who, contrary to popular belief, is a Captain Atom analogue, NOT superman, like many people say. Watchmen is almost literally "what if the justice league never had Superman to set the bar." But I digress). There were DOZENS of heroes he could have had that with. Superman ain't it. --- Haven't had a good sig idea since 2006 <cite>DarkBuster22904 posted [p:967120031] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>FelineCyborg posted... </cite> <quote>Not really defending that scene but it's okay to take characters in different directions in a retelling.</quote>Different directions, sure. But at the core it still has to BE the character. Otherwise it's not a retelling, it's just a completely different story about a different person. Superman isn't just a blue and red suit with a laundry list of busted powers. There are layers to who he is and what he represents. Zack Snyder buys into the whole "Superman's just a boring invincible boy scout, hurr durr" train of thought, which is stupidly reductive and the hallmark of people who do not understand or even like the character. It's why he "reinvented" the character as this tortured loner who doesn't fit in and kills people for the greater good. Superman's idealism isn't boring, its a burden he puts on himself. He is PAINFULLY aware of what his powers are capable of, and decides instead to be the one who "sets the standard" for what a hero should be. Just the act of BEING Superman takes a heavy toll on Clark, but he does it because ,more than anything, he's committed to doing what is RIGHT. He acts as the face of the Justice League because he's what all of these other fucked up, broken people, should be aspiring to. It's literally WHY batman respects him like he does, and lays the foundation for their entire friendship. And when you're laying the groundwork for a god damn justice league franchise, gutting the heart and soul of its very foundation is one HELL of a "different direction" to go. Zack Snyder wanted dark, broody, loner-with-a-heart-of-gold edgelord action nonsense. He was clearly still hung up on Dr. Manhattan from his Watchmen movie (who, contrary to popular belief, is a Captain Atom analogue, NOT superman, like many people say. Watchmen is almost literally "what if the justice league never had Superman to set the bar." But I digress). There were DOZENS of heroes he could have had that with. Superman ain't it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BuckVanHammer 08/06/22 4:00:38 PM #32:	it was ok. michael shannon was rad, without him it would have been just meh... --- Minimal, yet feature rich. https://imgur.com/bphehs8 <cite>BuckVanHammer posted [p:967120078] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>it was ok. michael shannon was rad, without him it would have been just meh... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FelineCyborg 08/06/22 5:29:55 PM #34:	Murphiroth posted... Sure, but they took it in a bad direction, just like the scene early in the movie where Clark throws a temper tantrum and ruins a man's livelihood. Taking it in a different direction isn't a defense for it being bad. I think In this retelling there was this strong hint that kryptons were about racial superiority and eugenics (not really hinted I think it says it outright) and tended to be genocidal ...like why else would his dad even have that codex to terraform and rebuild a planet in the first place, it's almost like kryptons (kryptonians?) Had a violent evil nature and this superman was wrestling against that the entire movie. No it's not exactly how superman really goes down but I don't mind adaptations doing different things and sticking to them. It made sense within the movie. Just wasn't really "superman" as fans wanted it. --- "well, yeah, and a lot of minorities go to see minstrel shows, too." - PyroSpoon <cite>FelineCyborg posted [p:967121876] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>Murphiroth posted... </cite> <quote>Sure, but they took it in a bad direction, just like the scene early in the movie where Clark throws a temper tantrum and ruins a man's livelihood. Taking it in a different direction isn't a defense for it being bad.</quote> I think In this retelling there was this strong hint that kryptons were about racial superiority and eugenics (not really hinted I think it says it outright) and tended to be genocidal ...like why else would his dad even have that codex to terraform and rebuild a planet in the first place, it's almost like kryptons (kryptonians?) Had a violent evil nature and this superman was wrestling against that the entire movie. No it's not exactly how superman really goes down but I don't mind adaptations doing different things and sticking to them. It made sense within the movie. Just wasn't really "superman" as fans wanted it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BipBapBam 08/06/22 5:38:03 PM #35:	I liked the action scenes as it's probably the closest we'll get to good live action DBZ shit, but the writing in that entire movie was pretty bad. --- Regardless of warnings, the future doesn't scare me at all. This is where the fun begins. <cite>BipBapBam posted [p:967122035] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>I liked the action scenes as it's probably the closest we'll get to good live action DBZ shit, but the writing in that entire movie was pretty bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 08/06/22 5:38:57 PM #36:	One of my favorite superhero movies, a little below Batman v Superman and Watchmen, but it's easily my favorite of the solo Superman movies. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:967122046] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>One of my favorite superhero movies, a little below Batman v Superman and Watchmen, but it's easily my favorite of the solo Superman movies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tote_All_ 08/06/22 5:39:33 PM #37:	Srk700 posted... John Kent's death was so incredibly stupid that it soured the rest of the movie. <cite>Tote_All_ posted [p:967122057] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>Srk700 posted... </cite> <quote>John Kent's death was so incredibly stupid that it soured the rest of the movie.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 08/06/22 5:40:51 PM #38:	Don't trust a Superhero who puts his underwear over his tights. --- Intel 486, Integrated videocard, 16MB RAM, 64MB HD, 3 1/4 inch floppy <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:967122083] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>Don't trust a Superhero who puts his underwear over his tights. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Just_a_loser 08/06/22 5:49:37 PM #39:	I liked Man of Steel a lot. But the dad death scene always rubbed me wrong. Like, we just came out of 10 years of Smallville. That version of Clark would zoom in there in the blink of an eye and pull him out before anyone could comprehend a thing. The scene made no sense. The way the original Superman film handled it, a heart attack, was a far better lesson. It's a reminder that no matter his abilities, some things could not be helped. Humans are fragile. Everything else about the film was great. But it's not petfect. --- Your face looks like I need a beer. <cite>Just_a_loser posted [p:967122215] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>I liked Man of Steel a lot. But the dad death scene always rubbed me wrong. Like, we just came out of 10 years of Smallville. That version of Clark would zoom in there in the blink of an eye and pull him out before anyone could comprehend a thing. The scene made no sense. The way the original Superman film handled it, a heart attack, was a far better lesson. It's a reminder that no matter his abilities, some things could not be helped. Humans are fragile. Everything else about the film was great. But it's not petfect. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 08/06/22 5:53:55 PM #40:	FelineCyborg posted... No it's not exactly how superman really goes down but I don't mind adaptations doing different things and sticking to them. It made sense within the movie. Just wasn't really "superman" as fans wanted it. That's because you're twisting yourself into knots to justify liking it. You liked Man of Steel as a film, that's fine, but that doesn't make it a Superman movie in general, let alone a good Superman movie. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:967122290] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>FelineCyborg posted... </cite> <quote>No it's not exactly how superman really goes down but I don't mind adaptations doing different things and sticking to them. It made sense within the movie. Just wasn't really "superman" as fans wanted it.</quote>That's because you're twisting yourself into knots to justify liking it. You liked Man of Steel as a film, that's fine, but that doesn't make it a Superman movie in general, let alone a good Superman movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NatsuSama 08/06/22 5:54:54 PM #41:	Because he let Rin die. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT <cite>NatsuSama posted [p:967122307] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>Because he let Rin die. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 08/06/22 5:55:33 PM #42:	FelineCyborg posted... this one is actually good. No <cite>Axiom posted [p:967122315] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>FelineCyborg posted... </cite> <quote>this one is actually good.</quote>No </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 08/06/22 5:59:41 PM #43:	The Kent tornado scene is so stupid beyond words. I just don't understand how anyone greenlit that --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:967122400] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>The Kent tornado scene is so stupid beyond words. I just don't understand how anyone greenlit that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dummy420 08/06/22 6:07:43 PM #44:	I thought it was great action and enjoyed it. His dads death though is pretty fucking dumb. Besides that I wish we got a second Superman movie like it. --- Trying is the first step towards failure, so just dont give it a shot and you cant dissapoint. <cite>dummy420 posted [p:967122553] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>I thought it was great action and enjoyed it. His dads death though is pretty fucking dumb. Besides that I wish we got a second Superman movie like it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 08/06/22 6:09:03 PM #45:	It was just a dumb movie, that's it The tornado scene especially --- THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Do not write in this space. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:967122572] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>It was just a dumb movie, that's it The tornado scene especially </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElGatoBravo 08/06/22 6:12:01 PM #46:	FortuneCookie posted... Hollywood in the late 2000s and early 2010s was trying to make literally everything dark and gritty. They hit a snag in 2013 with Superman and the Lone Ranger. Disney made fun of the Lone Ranger for being a bright and virtuous hero. Warner made Superman a killer. I think the double disappointment is what led Hollywood to change its one-size-fits-all approach to making everything grimdark. I liked Man of Steel but it's not an ideal approach for Superman. Not just Hollywood. Superman in comics (the New 52) was more distant, reserved and less of the innocent childish boyscout he was known for in the mainstream. I think this is what they went for in Men of Steel but it didn't translate well at all on the big screen. Superman is meant to be a symbol of hope and infinite possibilities for all men but instead, they made Cavill into an emotive, self-absorbed, sad and lonely man with an identity crisis. It was long, the plot dragged on for too long and then Snyder has no sense for action; he turns everything into an orgy of special effects with too much fluff and no tension at all. Kinda like the Transformers movies. I'd argue that the plane scene at the beginning of Superman Returns (2006) was more intense and more true to the tone of a Superman movie than anything Snyder has given us yet. <cite>ElGatoBravo posted [p:967122625] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite> <quote>Hollywood in the late 2000s and early 2010s was trying to make literally everything dark and gritty. They hit a snag in 2013 with Superman and the Lone Ranger. Disney made fun of the Lone Ranger for being a bright and virtuous hero. Warner made Superman a killer. I think the double disappointment is what led Hollywood to change its one-size-fits-all approach to making everything grimdark. I liked Man of Steel but it's not an ideal approach for Superman.</quote> Not just Hollywood. Superman in comics (the New 52) was more distant, reserved and less of the innocent childish boyscout he was known for in the mainstream. I think this is what they went for in Men of Steel but it didn't translate well at all on the big screen. Superman is meant to be a symbol of hope and infinite possibilities for all men but instead, they made Cavill into an emotive, self-absorbed, sad and lonely man with an identity crisis. It was long, the plot dragged on for too long and then Snyder has no sense for action; he turns everything into an orgy of special effects with too much fluff and no tension at all. Kinda like the Transformers movies. I'd argue that the plane scene at the beginning of Superman Returns (2006) was more intense and more true to the tone of a Superman movie than anything Snyder has given us yet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trappedunderice 08/06/22 6:14:32 PM #47:	Awfully boring acting performanes, michael shannon great though. The action was okay but holy shit what a dumpster dogshit superman film. <cite>trappedunderice posted [p:967122667] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>Awfully boring acting performanes, michael shannon great though. The action was okay but holy shit what a dumpster dogshit superman film. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
omniryu 08/06/22 6:17:18 PM #48:	Srk700 posted... John Kent's death was so incredibly stupid that it soured the rest of the movie. Why? He protected his son. --- PSN/XBL: OMNIRYU; Rooting for Zio to find love and Switch FC: 5419 6809 0486 friendship <cite>omniryu posted [p:967122720] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>Srk700 posted... </cite> <quote>John Kent's death was so incredibly stupid that it soured the rest of the movie.</quote>Why? He protected his son. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CommonStar 08/06/22 6:22:41 PM #50:	It's still my favorite non-animated Superman film. The tornado scene is stupid, but it doesn't ruin the movie for me. Man of Steel is the Superman I grew up loving from the comics and seeing Snyder's take on him for this film was refreshing. Like I can see which comics he pulled influences from. I never liked Richard Donner's Superman. <cite>CommonStar posted [p:967122826] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>It's still my favorite non-animated Superman film. The tornado scene is stupid, but it doesn't ruin the movie for me. Man of Steel is the Superman I grew up loving from the comics and seeing Snyder's take on him for this film was refreshing. Like I can see which comics he pulled influences from. I never liked Richard Donner's Superman. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Poorly 08/06/22 11:44:37 PM #51:	omniryu posted... Why? He protected his son. He wanted to get all the credit to save a dog --- <cite>Poorly posted [p:967128611] in For real, ... [t:80120785]...</cite> <quote>omniryu posted... </cite><quote>Why? He protected his son.</quote>He wanted to get all the credit to save a dog</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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