Current Events > Why don't people just move if they don't like it there?

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Think Pearcy, Arkansas is a backwater hillbilly piece of shit area? Then move out. Hell, I moved out of NYC because I couldn't take the high taxes and lack of freedoms there.

Right? If you don't like your mansion, just use daddy's money to get a different mansion. It's not hard, PEOPLE

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Right? If you don't like your mansion, just use daddy's money to get a different mansion. It's not hard, PEOPLE

No, use your own resources.

IdiotMachine posted...

No, use your own resources.

Exactly. It's like, just have daddy take resources from poorer countries so you can have another house. Gawl. Those people can just have their daddies take from even poorer countries resources. It's called the circle of the economy or something

Really living up to your username, TC.

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Exactly. It's like, just have daddy take resources from poorer countries so you can have another house. Gawl. Those people can just have their daddies take from even poorer countries resources. It's called the circle of the economy or something

wat

Honestly, the less wealthy you are, the easier and cheaper it is for you to move: no need to sell or buy a house, not a whole ton of possessions to move with you... All you need is a new job at the location, and if your skills are good enough, moving's even paid for. If not, just go rent a UHaul for a couple hundred bucks and go find a place to rent.

IdiotMachine posted...

No, use your own resources.

Does everyone have the same resources and life conditions as you?

Ruvan22 posted...

Does everyone have the same resources and life conditions as you?

Everyone has something to live off of. If you're poverty level, it doesn't even matter: SSI and other benefits pay out regardless of what state you're in. Just get in a bus and move.

IdiotMachine posted...

wat

Honestly, the less wealthy you are, the easier and cheaper it is for you to move: no need to sell or buy a house, not a whole ton of possessions to move with you... All you need is a new job at the location, and if your skills are good enough, moving's even paid for. If not, just go rent a UHaul for a couple hundred bucks and go find a place to rent.

Ok. You win. I can't troll better than you. I forfeit

IdiotMachine posted...

wat

Honestly, the less wealthy you are, the easier and cheaper it is for you to move: no need to sell or buy a house, not a whole ton of possessions to move with you... All you need is a new job at the location, and if your skills are good enough, moving's even paid for. If not, just go rent a UHaul for a couple hundred bucks and go find a place to rent.

Wouldn't having MORE money make getting a Uhaul easier? And having MORE money means you have more access to temporary things in the new location till you find what you need? Also I'm pretty sure less wealthy people are going to be in jobs that don't pay relocation costs...

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Ok. You win. I can't troll better than you. I forfeit

Brah, it costs like a couple hundred bucks to rent a UHaul and that's all you need. If your wealth is average and own a house, then you have to go get another house (which is so much harder than just renting a place), and sell your home, AND move all that shit with you, which a UHual is probably not enough for. You're looking at at least $15k in moving expenses and closing costs, let alone a down payment for a new house.

IdiotMachine posted...

Everyone has something to live off of. If you're poverty level, it doesn't even matter: SSI and other benefits pay out regardless of what state you're in. Just get in a bus and move.

They don't transfer immediately -and if you are on SSI you likely aren't getting a new job that pays for relocation. If you just leave your family and friends, who will be your support system in the new place?

Ruvan22 posted...

Wouldn't having MORE money make getting a Uhaul easier? And having MORE money means you have more access to temporary things in the new location till you find what you need? Also I'm pretty sure less wealthy people are going to be in jobs that don't pay relocation costs...

There's a curve, right? Being really poor or really rich will make it easier to move in my opinion. Once you're wealthy enough to own a house is when I would say it gets significantly harder to move; then once you get more wealthy beyond that, it gets easier to move.

Ruvan22 posted...

They don't transfer immediately -and if you are on SSI you likely aren't getting a new job that pays for relocation. If you just leave your family and friends, who will be your support system in the new place?

What do you mean transfer? SSI is a federal benefit that is administered by the feds, and it goes straight to your bank account. Medicaid, sure, that takes time to transfer, but it's all backdated so you won't be responsible for any bills anyway.

IdiotMachine posted...

What do you mean transfer? SSI is a federal benefit that is administered by the feds, and it goes straight to your bank account. Medicaid, sure, that takes time to transfer, but it's all backdated so you won't be responsible for any bills anyway.

Yes, but you have to find your local bank.. and Medicaid has to be approved at most new doctors offices etc, so it's not the bills as much as having services. You missed or ignored the social supports that would be lost, these matter for poorer people even more.

Explain why you think moving would be "really easy for poor people", not through what they don't have to do compared to rich people, but through what things they HAVE that make it easy.

Ruvan22 posted...

Yes, but you have to find your local bank.. and Medicaid has to be approved at most new doctors offices etc, so it's not the bills as much as having services. You missed or ignored the social supports that would be lost, these matter for poorer people even more.

Explain why you think moving would be "really easy for poor people", not through what they don't have to do compared to rich people, but through what things they HAVE that make it easy.

They have very little things, which by default makes it easier to move. The more stuff you have, the harder it is the move.

You're right I neglected social help through friends and family; I don't believe that's necessary. SSI pays $841/mo maximum and food stamps give you $250/mo. Add a basic $10/hr job and you're making $33k equivalent.

Section 8 requires you to pay only 30% of rent; assuming rent is $1200/mo, which is generous, you'll only be responsible for $360/mo.

You can totally do this.

IdiotMachine posted...

Honestly, the less wealthy you are, the easier and cheaper it is for you to move:

Lmao

IdiotMachine posted...

They have very little things, which by default makes it easier to move. The more stuff you have, the harder it is the move.

Again, you are comparing what you feel they have compared to rich people - I'm asking you how to show how these are offset by everything else rich people have that very poor people don't have.

You're right I neglected social help through friends and family; I don't believe that's necessary. SSI pays $841/mo maximum and food stamps give you $250/mo. Add a basic $10/hr job and you're making $33k equivalent.

How does 33K equal social support?!!? Does 33K pay for a years worth of child care? A years worth of mental health benefits? More basically, why do you believe people don't need social support?

Section 8 requires you to pay only 30% of rent; assuming rent is $1200/mo, which is generous, you'll only be responsible for $360/mo.

You can totally do this.

Ehh.. rent is definitely NOT 1200 for a two bedroom in every state.. in Atlanta alone its closer to 2k now, and Georgia is considered one of the cheaper cost of living states.

You still haven't answered where the very poor are going to find money to rent a Uhaul?

Ruvan22 posted...

How does 33K equal social support?!!? Does 33K pay for a years worth of child care? A years worth of mental health benefits? More basically, why do you believe people don't need social support?

This is for a SINGLE person. Having a family will give you MORE benefits. Mental health is covered via Medicaid.

Ruvan22 posted...

Ehh.. rent is definitely NOT 1200 for a two bedroom in every state.. in Atlanta alone its closer to 2k now, and Georgia is considered one of the cheaper cost of living states.

If you're poor on federal aid, why are you looking for two bedroom apartments? Regardless, 30% of $2000 is still $600/mo, which is extremely doable.

Ruvan22 posted...

You still haven't answered where the very poor are going to find money to rent a Uhaul?

You save money, just like everyone else. Except the money you're saving is subsizied by everyone else, and not 100% earned income.

Not everyone can afford to just pick up and leave

You're an idiot.

Ruvan22 posted...

Again, you are comparing what you feel they have compared to rich people - I'm asking you how to show how these are offset by everything else rich people have that very poor people don't have.

How does 33K equal social support?!!? Does 33K pay for a years worth of child care? A years worth of mental health benefits? More basically, why do you believe people don't need social support?

Ehh.. rent is definitely NOT 1200 for a two bedroom in every state.. in Atlanta alone its closer to 2k now, and Georgia is considered one of the cheaper cost of living states.

You still haven't answered where the very poor are going to find money to rent a Uhaul?

To be fair, Atlanta is the most expensive part of Georgia and a very popular city. You can get a $1200/2bd in Savannah

Cokewave posted...

To be fair, Atlanta is the most expensive part of Georgia and a very popular city. You can get a $1200/2bd in Savannah

True, but TC is saying to go where you get a job, Atlanta is more likely to do have one than the rest of the state..

IdiotMachine posted...

This is for a SINGLE person. Having a family will give you MORE benefits. Mental health is covered via Medicaid.

So a few points
A) While mental health is covered under Medicaid, as you said earlier in the topic transferring can take time, as well as finding providers. Additionally, you may not know this but mental health care under Medicaid is has a lot of barriers, many providers don't accept it. A person may not need mental health services where they currently are, but after moving and not having any friends or family around, they definitely would..
B) While you might get more benefits, I'm pretty sure you would come out the same, or even worse. If you suddenly need childcare, it's ~640$/month in Georgia (again one of the cheaper states), which would take out most of SSI. Additionally, it takes a LOT for children to qualify for SSI - "The child must have a physical or mental condition(s) that very seriously limits his or her activities;"
https://geears.org/news/cost-child-care-georgia/#:~:text=Child%20care%20in%20Georgia%20is,%246%2C500%2C%20or%20%24542%20each%20month.
https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/disability/apply-child.html#:~:text=SSI%20Eligibility%20for%20Children&text=The%20child%20must%20have%20a,year%20or%20result%20in%20death.

If you're poor on federal aid, why are you looking for two bedroom apartments? Regardless, 30% of $2000 is still $600/mo, which is extremely doable.

Because you have a middle or high school aged child?

You save money, just like everyone else. Except the money you're saving is subsizied by everyone else, and not 100% earned income.

So in this case, the rich DO have an advantage? The cost of a renting an Uhaul to go from (randomly picked) Raleigh NC to Atlanta is about a week's worth of wages for a person in your example

Going back to your 10$/hour work - for them to get 20k they have to work 40 hour weeks. Almost all part time places keep their employees under 40 hrs, so their income would probably be closer 10k. Food stamps can't be used outside of very specific purchases, so the total income would be closer to 20k

Finally, I asked you a few times to describe the benefits very poor people have that would make it easier for them to move than for very rich people. So far you have-
*Less stuff
*Benefits through government

Things that very rich people have-
*Larger amount of stating liquid capital, making it easier to settle in the new place
*More connections in employment, especially in the salaried field, meaning you are likely to have a better job in the new place
*Better choices of housing and thus access to schools and thus smoother transitions for children. Even without children, better housing locations means less health and safety risks, and thus not as much stress during the move
*Very rich tend to have either more durable things or can replace things easier, and thus the move impacts the items less
*Better and quicker access to medical and mental health services in the new location, sometimes with warm handoffs between providers
*Greater influence on the community in a new location (to address needs)
I'll add more after you address these

Ruvan22 posted...

Finally, I asked you a few times to describe the benefits very poor people have that would make it easier for them to move than for very rich people. So far you have-
*Less stuff
*Benefits through government

Things that very rich people have-

You're comparing to the very rich. I said people who have just enough wealth to buy a house. For the middle class, it's harder to move.

I'm gonna assume TC doesn't know how hard it is to get SSI or SSDI to think it's so easy.

People live in these shithole states because they're incredibly cheap compared to non-shithole states. Wondering why people aren't able to trade a $800 rent for a $2400 rent is dumb.

Its called money.....

How does this thread have so many serious replies

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

I'm gonna assume TC doesn't know how hard it is to get SSI or SSDI to think it's so easy.

I helped my good friend's parents apply for SSI, and it was easy as fuck. All they needed was a SSA online account, apply online, and they call for an interview in about a month; then afterwards, about a month later, they got money in their accounts.

Why dont homeless people just buy a house?

IdiotMachine posted...

I helped my good friend's parents apply for SSI, and it was easy as fuck. All they needed was a SSA online account, apply online, and they call for an interview in about a month; then afterwards, about a month later, they got money in their accounts.

I wish it was so easy for the mentally disabled people I work with who have nothing to their names get SSI/D.

As somebody who barely even owns anything and is just trying to move from one side of the same city to another....moving ain't easy lol

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

I wish it was so easy for the mentally disabled people I work with who have nothing to their names get SSI/D.

I can see why SSDI would be difficult since they need to verify the disability. But being poor and old made SSI extremely easy.

a-c-a-b posted...

Really living up to your username, TC.

From what I've seen, every time he posts he gets that comment.

Exactly. Just move.

I agree. Everyone that wants to MAGA and take away bodily autonomy rights and LGBTQ+ rights should move to a more sympathetic country instead of fucking up this one.

As a rich person, I cam confirm, moving is a BITCH. If I were poor I would have much less shit to worry about and would be much easier

You forgot ignored most of the post (very poor people having less social support, very rich/middle class having an easier time renting an Uhaul, and total income closer to 20k) - feel free to refute

IdiotMachine posted...

You're comparing to the very rich. I said people who have just enough wealth to buy a house. For the middle class, it's harder to move.

You just repeated your claim for like the.. fourth time? The things I listed are going to be true to some extent for homeowners as well as not everyone has enough liquid to buy a house (or strong enough financial history for a mortgage). I'll edit the statements if you want:
*Larger amount of starting liquid capital, making it easier to settle in the new place
*More connections in employment/career, especially in the salaried field, meaning you are likely to have a better job in the new place
*Better choices of housing and thus access to schools and thus smoother transitions for children. Even without children, better housing locations means less health and safety risks, and thus not as much stress during the move
*Homeowners tend to have either more durable things or can replace things easier, and thus the move impacts the items less
*Better and quicker access to medical and mental health services in the new location, sometimes with warm handoffs between providers
*Greater influence on the community in a new location (to address needs)
*Homeowners are likely to have better health than very poor people, and thus experience less physical stress when moving

IdiotMachine posted...

I helped my good friend's parents apply for SSI, and it was easy as fuck. All they needed was a SSA online account, apply online, and they call for an interview in about a month; then afterwards, about a month later, they got money in their accounts.

IdiotMachine posted...

I can see why SSDI would be difficult since they need to verify the disability. But being poor and old made SSI extremely easy.

So are you saying moving is extremely easy for very poor people.. over the age of 65? Because you seem to have forgotten to mention that this whole thread ....