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KamenRiderBlade 06/19/22 2:09:55 AM #51:	Gobstoppers12 posted... It does, actually, yes. But the EU made it silly by giving him a whole bunch of ridiculous combat feats. The whole notion of sending him out to fight the First Order and knock over a bunch of walkers sounds cool, but in the end, it's dark side shit. Using the force to nonviolently buy time for the Resistance to escape is 100% the most Jedi thing to do in that situation. I think that moment is what solidifies Luke as a proper Jedi Master. He used the force for defense--not for attack. I think that's very cool. So the whole idea of debating whether or not he could beat this Sith, or that Jedi, 1v1...or saying he could have beaten all the walkers if he was as powerful as his EU counterpart...misses the point of becoming a Jedi Master. But Luke didn't need to die to do everything he needed to do. It was written as plot induced stupidity to sacrifice Luke when he didn't need to be sacrificed to accomplish the exact same goals of helping his friends in the Rebellion escape. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:965931856] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>It does, actually, yes. But the EU made it silly by giving him a whole bunch of ridiculous combat feats. The whole notion of sending him out to fight the First Order and knock over a bunch of walkers sounds cool, but in the end, it's dark side shit. Using the force to nonviolently buy time for the Resistance to escape is 100% the most Jedi thing to do in that situation. I think that moment is what solidifies Luke as a proper Jedi Master. He used the force for defense--not for attack. I think that's very cool. So the whole idea of debating whether or not he could beat this Sith, or that Jedi, 1v1...or saying he could have beaten all the walkers if he was as powerful as his EU counterpart...misses the point of becoming a Jedi Master. </quote>But Luke didn't need to die to do everything he needed to do. It was written as plot induced stupidity to sacrifice Luke when he didn't need to be sacrificed to accomplish the exact same goals of helping his friends in the Rebellion escape. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 06/19/22 2:11:15 AM #52:	Scapegoated posted... What if someone figured out how to make battle droids out of Beskar Beskar is actually shit for electromagnetic inference both from the Beskar itself and as an insulator It's part of the reason Mandalorian equipment is so primitive and functions using that weird circuitry It's ... problematic for general electronics tho, like a droid <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:965931873] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Scapegoated posted... </cite> <quote>What if someone figured out how to make battle droids out of Beskar</quote>Beskar is actually shit for electromagnetic inference both from the Beskar itself and as an insulator It's part of the reason Mandalorian equipment is so primitive and functions using that weird circuitry It's ... problematic for general electronics tho, like a droid </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 06/19/22 2:12:56 AM #53:	Sounds like the old canon was incredibly shit the way TC describes it. So in reality, Last Jedi was a sidegrade, not a downgrade. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:965931894] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like the old canon was incredibly shit the way TC describes it. So in reality, Last Jedi was a sidegrade, not a downgrade. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 06/19/22 2:19:09 AM #54:	Scapegoated posted... What if someone figured out how to make battle droids out of Beskar ~~Mandolorian spoiler - I thought that was what the droids were at the end?~~ <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:965931969] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Scapegoated posted...</cite> <quote>What if someone figured out how to make battle droids out of Beskar</quote>Mandolorian spoiler - I thought that was what the droids were at the end?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 06/19/22 2:22:11 AM #56:	ButteryMales posted... ~~I thought that was what the droids were at the end?~~ Nope The ~~dark trooper~~ armor mimics Mandalorian armor and is comprised of an unknown alloy. It is not as strong as as Beskar and cannot withstand the force of a lightsaber <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:965932010] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite> <quote>I thought that was what the droids were at the end?</quote>Nope The dark trooper armor mimics Mandalorian armor and is comprised of an unknown alloy. It is not as strong as as Beskar and cannot withstand the force of a lightsaber </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
electricbugs2 06/19/22 2:22:15 AM #57:	DeadBankerDream posted... Sounds like the old canon was incredibly shit the way TC describes it. So in reality, Last Jedi was a sidegrade, not a downgrade. Some of it was okay. Shadows of the Empire was a fun project, Thrawn trilogy was good, KOTOR is KOTOR. But for every good thing in the old EU, there's like 10 Yuuzhan Vong, Galaxy Gun's, and C-3PX etc. It was a cluster fuck. There was one novel trilogy back in the day where Luke used some kind of light side version of force lightning. Some goofy shit. --- Balenciaga hoodies and Gucci shoes #FreeMelly <cite>electricbugs2 posted [p:965932013] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted... </cite> <quote>Sounds like the old canon was incredibly shit the way TC describes it. So in reality, Last Jedi was a sidegrade, not a downgrade.</quote>Some of it was okay. Shadows of the Empire was a fun project, Thrawn trilogy was good, KOTOR is KOTOR. But for every good thing in the old EU, there's like 10 Yuuzhan Vong, Galaxy Gun's, and C-3PX etc. It was a cluster fuck. There was one novel trilogy back in the day where Luke used some kind of light side version of force lightning. Some goofy shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/19/22 2:23:30 AM #58:	KamenRiderBlade posted... It was written as plot induced stupidity More like it was written that he refused to be involved, until it got down close enough to the wire that his only option was to do what he did. He was really, really destroyed by the way he lost his temple and failed Ben. It wasn't easy to find the resolve to stand up again. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965932021] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted... </cite> <quote>It was written as plot induced stupidity</quote>More like it was written that he refused to be involved, until it got down close enough to the wire that his only option was to do what he did. He was really, really destroyed by the way he lost his temple and failed Ben. It wasn't easy to find the resolve to stand up again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RISEofCHRISTIAN 06/19/22 2:24:24 AM #59:	I wonder what was in the original script Mark Hamill read. Because on premiere of TLJ, Mark was SHOOK that his character DIED. So I'm guessing originally Luke wasn't suppose to die in TLJ. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/8/AAfMaiAADW3i.jpg --- I don't drink. I don't smoke. My addiction is World Wrestling Entertainment. --------------------------- S T U P E N D O U S ! --------------------------- <cite>RISEofCHRISTIAN posted [p:965932035] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>I wonder what was in the original script Mark Hamill read. Because on premiere of TLJ, Mark was SHOOK that his character DIED. So I'm guessing originally Luke wasn't suppose to die in TLJ. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/8/AAfMaiAADW3i.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 06/19/22 2:25:43 AM #60:	Gobstoppers12 posted... More like it was written that he refused to be involved, until it got down close enough to the wire that his only option was to do what he did. He was really, really destroyed by the way he lost his temple and failed Ben. It wasn't easy to find the resolve to stand up again. So what you're saying is it was written as plot induced stupidity. <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:965932054] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>More like it was written that he refused to be involved, until it got down close enough to the wire that his only option was to do what he did. He was really, really destroyed by the way he lost his temple and failed Ben. It wasn't easy to find the resolve to stand up again. </quote>So what you're saying is it was written as plot induced stupidity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBrainbuster 06/19/22 2:25:58 AM #61:	Gobstoppers12 posted... More like it was written that he refused to be involved, until it got down close enough to the wire that his only option was to do what he did. He was really, really destroyed by the way he lost his temple and failed Ben. It wasn't easy to find the resolve to stand up again. Luke is not a pussy. Apparently you never saw the first 3 films because he is the CONSUMATE Jedi. Stop defending Disney's bullshit and destruction of his character. Luke would never give up. ever --- Final Fantasy IV is the greatest game ever MADE!!! <cite>TheBrainbuster posted [p:965932061] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>More like it was written that he refused to be involved, until it got down close enough to the wire that his only option was to do what he did. He was really, really destroyed by the way he lost his temple and failed Ben. It wasn't easy to find the resolve to stand up again. </quote> Luke is not a pussy. Apparently you never saw the first 3 films because he is the CONSUMATE Jedi. Stop defending Disney's bullshit and destruction of his character. Luke would never give up. ever </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/19/22 2:25:59 AM #62:	ButteryMales posted... So what you're saying is it was written as plot induced stupidity. Guilt isn't stupidity. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965932062] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite> <quote>So what you're saying is it was written as plot induced stupidity.</quote>Guilt isn't stupidity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 06/19/22 2:26:04 AM #63:	Shocked Pikachu IRL <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:965932063] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Shocked Pikachu IRL </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/19/22 2:27:31 AM #64:	TheBrainbuster posted... Luke is not a <redacted>. I wasn't aware that guilt and depression were traits worthy of such a pejorative label. I thought anybody, strong or weak, could experience doubt and regret. Guess I'm just misinformed. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965932081] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>TheBrainbuster posted... </cite> <quote>Luke is not a <redacted>.</quote>I wasn't aware that guilt and depression were traits worthy of such a pejorative label. I thought anybody, strong or weak, could experience doubt and regret. Guess I'm just misinformed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 06/19/22 2:28:55 AM #65:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Luke basically did nothing but get his ass kicked by Vader and Palpatine, except for the brief moment when he nearly succumbed to the dark side in a fit of rage. The whole "Luke is the most powerful Jedi" thing just doesn't add up outside of the EU novels. It's technically correct. ~~The best kind of correct.~~ Yes, Luke is a bog standard Jedi, but he's also the only Jedi as far as anyone knew, even if the old EU and Disney's EU both have established that to not be totally true. So, I mean, if you're the ONLY Jedi, by default you are the most powerful one. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:965932099] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Luke basically did nothing but get his ass kicked by Vader and Palpatine, except for the brief moment when he nearly succumbed to the dark side in a fit of rage. The whole "Luke is the most powerful Jedi" thing just doesn't add up outside of the EU novels.</quote>It's technically correct. The best kind of correct. Yes, Luke is a bog standard Jedi, but he's also the only Jedi as far as anyone knew, even if the old EU and Disney's EU both have established that to not be totally true. So, I mean, if you're the ONLY Jedi, by default you are the most powerful one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBrainbuster 06/19/22 2:29:21 AM #66:	Gobstoppers12 posted... I wasn't aware that guilt and depression were traits worthy of such a pejorative label. I thought anybody, strong or weak, could experience doubt and regret. Guess I'm just misinformed. *Luke sees his parents burned and charred to the bone in A New Hope* Luke continues on his quest and trains to be the best Jedi since Yoda --- *Luke's silly temple is destroyed* Gobstopper defends Luke's depression at this massive, heartwrenching plot-point --- Final Fantasy IV is the greatest game ever MADE!!! <cite>TheBrainbuster posted [p:965932102] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>I wasn't aware that guilt and depression were traits worthy of such a pejorative label. I thought anybody, strong or weak, could experience doubt and regret. Guess I'm just misinformed.</quote> Luke sees his parents burned and charred to the bone in A New Hope Luke continues on his quest and trains to be the best Jedi since Yoda --- Luke's silly temple is destroyed Gobstopper defends Luke's depression at this massive, heartwrenching plot-point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 06/19/22 2:32:35 AM #67:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Guilt isn't stupidity. Guilt can be stupid. His guilt is objectively stupid the literal magic god of his universe told him to kill an evil child and he's surprised when he ends up killing a temple. The magic god is either stupid if Kylo would have been a good Jedi if his master didn't try to kill him or knew this was inevitable either way and killing Kylo was actually the best course of action. <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:965932137] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>Guilt isn't stupidity.</quote>Guilt can be stupid. His guilt is objectively stupid the literal magic god of his universe told him to kill an evil child and he's surprised when he ends up killing a temple. The magic god is either stupid if Kylo would have been a good Jedi if his master didn't try to kill him or knew this was inevitable either way and killing Kylo was actually the best course of action.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 06/19/22 2:32:38 AM #68:	~~Luke being untrained was what opened his mind to such a powerful relationship with the Force~~ ~~instead of creating sparks like the Emperor~~ ~~Even though the Emperor had foresight and could sense the battlefield in real time, Luke had destiny and had learned to do the same~~ <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:965932138] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Luke being untrained was what opened his mind to such a powerful relationship with the Force instead of creating sparks like the Emperor Even though the Emperor had foresight and could sense the battlefield in real time, Luke had destiny and had learned to do the same </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/19/22 2:35:36 AM #69:	TheBrainbuster posted... Luke sees his parents burned and charred to the bone in A New Hope Luke continues on his quest and trains to be the best Jedi since Yoda Luke was a hair's breadth away from turning to the dark side as soon as Vader threatened Leia. Honestly, he might have fallen if Palpatine hadn't been rubbing it in from the sidelines to break him out of his rage. TheBrainbuster posted... Luke's silly temple is destroyed Gobstopper defends Luke's depression at this massive, heartwrenching plot-point ~~Bruh, did you really characterize it that way...? Are you joking? He established and built that temple from the ground up. He hand-selected his students. He trained his nephew there.~~ ~~And he failed. He felt personally responsible for the destruction of the temple as well as~~ ~~the slaughter of most of his students.~~ ~~To present that as having his "silly temple" destroyed is disingenuous at best.~~ ~~Also, semantic nitpick, but Owen and Beru weren't Luke's parents. He always knew they weren't his parents.~~ --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965932163] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>TheBrainbuster posted... </cite> <quote>Luke sees his parents burned and charred to the bone in A New Hope Luke continues on his quest and trains to be the best Jedi since Yoda</quote>Luke was a hair's breadth away from turning to the dark side as soon as Vader threatened Leia. Honestly, he might have fallen if Palpatine hadn't been rubbing it in from the sidelines to break him out of his rage. TheBrainbuster posted... </cite> <quote>Luke's silly temple is destroyed Gobstopper defends Luke's depression at this massive, heartwrenching plot-point</quote> Bruh, did you really characterize it that way...? Are you joking? He established and built that temple from the ground up. He hand-selected his students. He trained his nephew there. And he failed. He felt personally responsible for the destruction of the temple as well as the slaughter of most of his students. To present that as having his "silly temple" destroyed is disingenuous at best. Also, semantic nitpick, but Owen and Beru weren't Luke's parents. He always knew they weren't his parents. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/19/22 2:36:12 AM #70:	ButteryMales posted... His guilt is objectively stupid the literal magic god of his universe told him to kill an evil child and he's surprised when he ends up killing a temple. what in the fuck are you talking about --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965932173] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite> <quote>His guilt is objectively stupid the literal magic god of his universe told him to kill an evil child and he's surprised when he ends up killing a temple.</quote>what in the fuck are you talking about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scapegoated 06/19/22 2:37:12 AM #71:	Welcome back rebel. Was wondering when you'd arrive again. --- "As our sphere of knowledge expands, so too does the circumference of darkness which surrounds it" - Einstein <cite>Scapegoated posted [p:965932184] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Welcome back rebel. Was wondering when you'd arrive again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 06/19/22 2:41:38 AM #72:	Gobstoppers12 posted... what in the fuck are you talking about Luke was told to kill Kylo by the force. Maybe even told by force ghost Qui-gon, Obi-Wan, Yoda, or Anikin. You could head canon Palatine but that clearly was not the 2nd movie's eventual plan. <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:965932232] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>what in the fuck are you talking about</quote>Luke was told to kill Kylo by the force. Maybe even told by force ghost Qui-gon, Obi-Wan, Yoda, or Anikin. You could head canon Palatine but that clearly was not the 2nd movie's eventual plan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 06/19/22 2:43:59 AM #73:	~~Kylo was already obsessed with Vader at that point. It was going to be an issue and they both overreacted in their own wizard sort of ways, Kylo much worse than Luke.~~ ~~TLJ strongest sequel film~~ ~~Luke's failing is arguably not killing Kylo , or at least subduing him~~ <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:965932255] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Kylo was already obsessed with Vader at that point. It was going to be an issue and they both overreacted in their own wizard sort of ways, Kylo much worse than Luke. TLJ strongest sequel film Luke's failing is arguably not killing Kylo , or at least subduing him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/19/22 2:44:01 AM #74:	ButteryMales posted... Luke was told to kill Kylo by the force what the fuck are you talking about --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965932256] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite> <quote>Luke was told to kill Kylo by the force</quote>what the fuck are you talking about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 06/19/22 2:50:38 AM #75:	Gobstoppers12 posted... what the fuck are you talking about You're lucky your brain protected you from how garbage the movie was. ~~Oh god, the possibility that Luke was just killing a mosquito and they didn't remember to CGI in one just crossed my mind.~~ <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:965932297] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite><quote>what the fuck are you talking about</quote>You're lucky your brain protected you from how garbage the movie was. Oh god, the possibility that Luke was just killing a mosquito and they didn't remember to CGI in one just crossed my mind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 06/19/22 2:50:41 AM #76:	That's an interesting interpretation. <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:965932298] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>That's an interesting interpretation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/19/22 2:55:26 AM #77:	ButteryMales posted... You're lucky your brain protected you from how garbage the movie was. You...might have forgotten exactly what happened. Luke looked into Ben's mind, similar to reading Vader's feelings during their RotJ fight and sensing conflict in him, and what he saw in Ben was a terrible, growing darkness that posed a threat to everything he ever loved. At no point did some outside voice in the Force tell him to do anything. It was his most basic instinct, that trickle of the dark side in him...the same trickle of darkness that made him lose his cool and violently attack Vader in RotJ. He ignited his saber in "the briefest moment of pure instinct" because his first impulse was to stop the threat...but he never ACTUALLY intended to kill him. He never made an attack. ~~If Ben hadn't woken up, Luke would have turned off his saber and left.~~ I don't think you have the faintest idea what you're talking about. Did you watch it once, misinterpret it horribly, and then play telephone with your own imagination until the scene warped into something it never was? I legitimately don't know how you could get the impression that a "magic god" told Luke he needed to kill Ben. That's not even close to true. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965932345] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite> <quote>You're lucky your brain protected you from how garbage the movie was.</quote>You...might have forgotten exactly what happened. Luke looked into Ben's mind, similar to reading Vader's feelings during their RotJ fight and sensing conflict in him, and what he saw in Ben was a terrible, growing darkness that posed a threat to everything he ever loved. At no point did some outside voice in the Force tell him to do anything. It was his most basic instinct, that trickle of the dark side in him...the same trickle of darkness that made him lose his cool and violently attack Vader in RotJ. He ignited his saber in "the briefest moment of pure instinct" because his first impulse was to stop the threat...but he never ACTUALLY intended to kill him. He never made an attack. If Ben hadn't woken up, Luke would have turned off his saber and left. I don't think you have the faintest idea what you're talking about. Did you watch it once, misinterpret it horribly, and then play telephone with your own imagination until the scene warped into something it never was? I legitimately don't know how you could get the impression that a "magic god" told Luke he needed to kill Ben. That's not even close to true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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