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UnfairRepresent
06/16/22 6:47:09 AM
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And before people start labeling me this and that to evade having to listen to points. I'm pro the legalization of all drugs. I don't think it's the Government's job to tell adults what they can do with their own bodies.

I am huge believer in body autonomy.

What annoys me is when you see research after research detailing the risks and consequences of pot smoking and stoners who can't quit.

And then people just go "Oh there's research for everything and my buddy Jake smoked and never had any problems." and other anti-vaxxer tier arguments that hold no water.

Rather than just address reality.

And this reality denial empowers the people who want to keep it illegal because it makes the people calling for legality look like idiots, liars or both.

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MedeaLysistrata
06/16/22 6:50:56 AM
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If you think it's harmful but should be legal, that's not much of a point. But there should always be health measures to go alongside legalization.

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UnfairRepresent
06/16/22 6:52:11 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
If you think it's harmful but should be legal, that's not much of a point.

UnfairRepresent posted...


And then people just go "Oh there's research for everything and my buddy Jake smoked and never had any problems." and other anti-vaxxer tier arguments that hold no water.
Called it

Literally the first reply is a lazy strawman

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DespondentDeity
06/16/22 6:53:11 AM
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I remember my former buddy getting ABSOLUTELY pissed one time because he was saying how it wasnt addicting, but I pointed out how he hadnt voluntarily taken even one day off since hed started like 7 years ago, and how when he was out and too broke to get more hed spend his entire day trying to find someone to smoke him up.

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Savoots
06/16/22 6:53:14 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I'm pro the legalization of all drugs.

Including Nicotine?

So you don't mind if people smoke cigarettes?

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MedeaLysistrata
06/16/22 6:54:11 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Called it

Literally the first reply is a lazy strawman
You didn't "call" anything. I agree it's harmful and even said there should be health measures when the drug is legalised.

Let go of the CEcript in your head dude.

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UnfairRepresent
06/16/22 6:56:20 AM
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Savoots posted...
Including Nicotine?

So you don't mind if people smoke cigarettes?
I don't want them too. But I don't think it should be illegal.

Same way pouring custard down your underpants while playing Spyro The Dragon might not be a good idea, but it shouldn't be illegal.

There's a myth that legality = endorsement and it's simply not true.

I don't think you should get a tatoo of Eddie Dombrowski eating pizza on your face.

But it's your face, you can do what you like. Neither me or Uncle Sam should get to dictate that.

Body autonomy goes hand in hand with freedom

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Savoots
06/16/22 6:58:01 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I don't want them too. But I don't think it should be illegal.

Same way pouring custard down your underpants while playing Spyro The Dragon might not be a good idea, but it shouldn't be illegal.

There's a myth that legality = endorsement and it's simply not true.

I don't think you should get a tatoo of Eddie Dombrowski eating pizza on your face.

But it's your face, you can do what you like. Neither me or Uncle Sam should get to dictate that.

Body autonomy goes hand in hand with freedom

Well, you've got my vote.

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Chadwick69
06/16/22 6:58:25 AM
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How many times you gonna make this thread

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Shablagoo
06/16/22 6:59:52 AM
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I dont know anyone who does this, maybe stop hanging out around morons if you dont want to be bugged by their stupid opinions.

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UnfairRepresent
06/16/22 7:00:56 AM
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Chadwick69 posted...
How many times you gonna make this thread
Erm
1

I've never made this thread before

UnfairRepresent posted...


And then people just go "Oh there's research for everything and my buddy Jake smoked and never had any problems." and other anti-vaxxer tier arguments that hold no water.

Rather than just address reality.

Called it

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Fluttershy
06/16/22 7:02:02 AM
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And then people just go "Oh there's research for everything and my buddy Jake smoked and never had any problems." and other anti-vaxxer tier arguments that hold no water.

if anything it's an anti-vaxxer thing to do to say 'this is really harmful' without supplying any evidence of that claim -- actually, that's exactly what antivaxxers would do.

let's see that research tc.

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TheSavageDragon
06/16/22 7:02:37 AM
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Chadwick69 posted...
How many times you gonna make this thread

You're offending him. Because pointing out he has a rotation of topics he goes through yearly is "randomly insulting him" apparently.
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ElleRagu
06/16/22 7:02:57 AM
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what are the consequences

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UnfairRepresent
06/16/22 7:04:28 AM
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TheSavageDragon posted...


You're offending him. Because pointing out he has a rotation of topics he goes through yearly is "randomly insulting him" apparently.

UnfairRepresent posted...


And then people just go "Oh there's research for everything and my buddy Jake smoked and never had any problems." and other anti-vaxxer tier arguments that hold no water.

Rather than just address reality.
Called it

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Lokison
06/16/22 7:08:27 AM
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Fluttershy posted...
let's see that research tc.


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Devilanse333
06/16/22 7:09:14 AM
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Ive been a user of marijuana for some time now. I dont deny it has health risks, just like I dont deny drinking soda pop every day does. Stop quoting yourself.

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Savoots
06/16/22 7:18:39 AM
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Devilanse333 posted...
Ive been a user of marijuana for some time now. I dont deny it has health risks, just like I dont deny drinking soda pop every day does. Stop quoting yourself.

UnfairRepresent posted...


And then people just go "Oh there's research for everything and my buddy Jake smoked and never had any problems." and other anti-vaxxer tier arguments that hold no water.

Rather than just address reality.

Called it.

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TheSavageDragon
06/16/22 7:20:42 AM
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Savoots posted...
Called it.

No, I called it
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UnfairRepresent
06/16/22 7:26:44 AM
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Lokison posted...
let's see that research tc.
https://www.healthline.com/health/marijuana-withdrawal
https://newsroom.heart.org/news/cannabis-use-shows-substantial-risks-no-benefits-for-cardiovascular-health-more-research-is-critical
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/marijuana-use-and-its-effects#1
https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/marijuana-addiction/marijuana-depression-marijuana-help-depression-trigger/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7442038/
https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/data-statistics.htm


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Jerry_Hellyeah
06/16/22 7:39:19 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...



But it's your face, you can do what you like. Neither me or Uncle Sam should get to dictate that.

Body autonomy goes hand in hand with freedom

Then why make a stupid thread about a thing people do that you want them to stop doing?

I actually don't always side with bodily autonomy, because I need you to shut up.

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Sufferedphoneix
06/16/22 7:39:58 AM
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DespondentDeity posted...
I remember my former buddy getting ABSOLUTELY pissed one time because he was saying how it wasnt addicting, but I pointed out how he hadnt voluntarily taken even one day off since hed started like 7 years ago, and how when he was out and too broke to get more hed spend his entire day trying to find someone to smoke him up.

Mental addiction is indeed a thing. Why gambling can be addictive.

I was there once. But now I'm fine if I get it just once in a blue moon. Helps I gotta be careful with my job ill admit. But if something like making sure I don't get fired is enough (despite they only test you if they are trying to get rid of you) then yeah it's not that addictive.

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GibraItar
06/16/22 7:46:15 AM
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I don't know anyone who wouldn't agree that it's psychologically addictive - there's just no physical withdrawal even if you were the world's heaviest smoker and quit.

I was bored to death for about a week when I quit and then never really thought about it again. I can still indulge occasionally when it's offered and not slip into daily smoking again.

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Devilanse333
06/16/22 7:49:19 AM
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Savoots posted...
Called it.

Respond with wrong account? You called nothing.

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UnfairRepresent
06/16/22 7:54:42 AM
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GibraItar posted...
I don't know anyone who wouldn't agree that it's psychologically addictive - there's just no physical withdrawal even if you were the world's heaviest smoker and quit.
What is meant by physical withdrawal?
Physical withdrawal is a painful condition that can often leave a person in an extremely negative state. For example, opiate withdrawal causes agitation, anxiety, muscle aches, runny noses, sweating, nausea, vomiting, cramps, dilated pupils, sudden physical pain, diarrhea, and even constipation.

Symptoms of marijuana withdrawal include:
  • diminished appetite
  • mood changes
  • irritability
  • sleep difficulties, including insomnia
  • headaches
  • loss of focus
  • depression
  • cravings for marijuana
  • sweating, including cold sweats
  • chills
  • increased feelings of depression
  • vomiting
  • stomach problems


hmmmmmmmm

I was bored to death for about a week when I quit and then never really thought about it again. I can still indulge occasionally when it's offered and not slip into daily smoking again.

Well obviously since it didn't happen to you that means it doesn't and can't happen.

And that logic makes complete sense and you would accept that in any other circumstance if raised about any other drug or event.

UnfairRepresent posted...


And then people just go "Oh there's research for everything and my buddy Jake smoked and never had any problems." and other anti-vaxxer tier arguments that hold no water.

Rather than just address reality.

Famous philosopher Steve Perry once said

"It goes on and on and on and on"

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Savoots
06/16/22 7:56:37 AM
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Devilanse333 posted...
Respond with wrong account? You called nothing.

Shut the fuck up, I called it.


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Lyrica
06/16/22 7:59:57 AM
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Can't tell you how many people have had psychotic breaks because of weed. It can lead to first break psychosis in individuals with risk factors for Schizophrenia or other psychotic disorders and exacerbation of psychosis for people who already have Schizophrenia or other psychotic disorders.
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Vicious_Dios
06/16/22 8:01:05 AM
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Called it!

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GibraItar
06/16/22 8:02:41 AM
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Lyrica posted...
Can't tell you how many people have had psychotic breaks because of weed. It can lead to first break psychosis in individuals with risk factors for Schizophrenia or other psychotic disorders and exacerbation of psychosis for people who already have Schizophrenia or other psychotic disorders.

Okay Pfizer account - we all know it can help with nerve pain and that would hurt Lyrica sales.

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TheSavageDragon
06/16/22 8:04:11 AM
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Vicious_Dios posted...
Called it!

Savoots posted...
Shut the fuck up, I called it.

I thought we already established that I called it. Now I'm calling it for infinity plus one
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UnfairRepresent
06/16/22 8:07:19 AM
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Lyrica posted...
Can't tell you how many people have had psychotic breaks because of weed. It can lead to first break psychosis in individuals with risk factors for Schizophrenia or other psychotic disorders and exacerbation of psychosis for people who already have Schizophrenia or other psychotic disorders.
Yup

There is a clear link between pot smoking and psychosis.

If you're already susceptible then pot can push you over the edge and you don't know whether or not you're susceptible before hand.

That's a risk people don't know and seen in this very topic people aggressive deny and downplay

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Savoots
06/16/22 8:12:25 AM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
I thought we already established that I called it. Now I'm calling it for infinity plus one

But I called it first.....

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Shablagoo
06/16/22 8:14:28 AM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vnO5bKvYYMk

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TheSavageDragon
06/16/22 8:18:23 AM
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Savoots posted...
But I called it first.....

You did. But you didn't add infinity, so now it's mine. You can't see it, but I'm doing the Dr Evil pinky thing as I type.
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Savoots
06/16/22 8:34:15 AM
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TheSavageDragon posted...
You did. But you didn't add infinity, so now it's mine. You can't see it, but I'm doing the Dr Evil pinky thing as I type.

Goddammit, you win this round.

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UnfairRepresent
06/16/22 11:18:13 AM
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Sufferedphoneix posted...
But if something like making sure I don't get fired is enough (despite they only test you if they are trying to get rid of you) then yeah it's not that addictive.

What a silly statement. There are millions of people who could stop drinking alcohol or smoking if their job was on the line. By your logic it means they're not addictive.

I know plenty of people who smoked for years and then just quit cold turkey without incident. The idea that this means smoking isn't addictive is crazy talk and just expresses a lack of understanding of how ancedotal evidence works.

Again:

UnfairRepresent posted...


And then people just go "Oh there's research for everything and my buddy Jake smoked and never had any problems." and other anti-vaxxer tier arguments that hold no water.

Rather than just address reality.


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Questionmarktarius
06/16/22 11:20:11 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
If you think it's harmful but should be legal, that's not much of a point. But there should always be health measures to go alongside legalization.
Were this the metric, cheeseburgers would be illegal.

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UnfairRepresent
06/16/22 11:26:01 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Were this the metric, cheeseburgers would be illegal.

https://i.imgur.com/Bp4ktiQ.jpg

Should be legal.

But don't pretend there aren't consequences if you put it in your body

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scamatoru
06/16/22 11:55:51 AM
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potheads vehemently defendin pot more at 11

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SSJPurple
06/16/22 12:09:04 PM
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It bugs me that pot has had to prove itself 100x harder than alcohol or tobacco ever did yet both are completely legal for recreational use when both are just as bad if not worse


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Lunar_Savage
06/16/22 12:10:37 PM
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Pot isn't fucking harmful. I'll fucking fight you literally on this. Fist for fist.

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Chadwick69
06/16/22 12:34:53 PM
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SSJPurple posted...
It bugs me that pot has had to prove itself 100x harder than alcohol or tobacco ever did yet both are completely legal for recreational use when both are just as bad if not worse
People bought into all the republican fear mongering on weed for so long that it's gonna take awhile to fix it.

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Ar0ge
06/16/22 12:39:18 PM
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TC keeps quoting himself and saying "Called it" but nothing any one has said has anything to do with what he keeps quoting himself saying...

You can't just keep saying you called it to win an argument... It's funny because what you are doing, is exactly what all the anti vaxxers do that you are complaining about.
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Choco
06/16/22 12:46:46 PM
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Chadwick69 posted...
People bought into all the republican fear mongering on weed for so long that it's gonna take awhile to fix it.
jesus fucking christ imagine making an essentially global statement about america with no irony whatsoever

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BeyondWalls
06/16/22 12:48:04 PM
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ElleRagu posted...
what are the consequences
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK538131/

Cannabis Withdrawal

  1. This accompanies cessation of cannabis use that has been heavy and prolonged (i.e., usually daily or almost daily use over a period of at least a few months). Three or more of the following signs and symptoms develop within approximately 1 week after cessation of heavy, prolonged use:
  2. Irritability, anger, or aggression
  3. Nervousness or anxiety
  4. Sleep difficulty (i.e., insomnia, disturbing dreams)
  5. Decreased appetite or weight loss
  6. Restlessness
  7. Depressed mood
  8. At least one of the following physical symptoms causing significant discomfort: abdominal pain, shakiness/tremors, sweating, fever, chills, or a headache.
  9. The signs or symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
  10. The signs or symptoms are not attributable to another medical condition and are not better explained by another mental disorder, including intoxication or withdrawal from another substance.


Cannabis-induced Psychotic Disorder

  1. Presence of delusions or hallucinations.
  2. Evidence from the history, physical examination, or laboratory findings of either one of the following:
  3. The symptoms in the first criterion developed during or soon after cannabis intoxication or withdrawal.
  4. The disturbance is not accounted for by a psychotic disorder that is not substance-induced.
  5. Evidence that the symptoms are accounted for by a psychotic disorder that is not substance induced might include the following:
  6. The symptoms precede the onset of substance use (or medication use).
  7. The symptoms persist for a substantial period (e.g., about a month) after the cessation of acute withdrawal or severe intoxication or are substantially more than what would be expected, given the type or amount of the substance used or the duration of use.
  8. Other evidence suggests the existence of an independent nonsubstance-induced psychotic disorder (e.g., a history of recurrent nonsubstance-related episodes).
  9. The disturbance does not occur exclusively during delirium.
  10. The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other areas of functioning.


Cannabis-induced Anxiety Disorder

  1. Panic attacks or anxiety predominate in the clinical picture.
  2. Evidence from the history, physical examination, or laboratory findings of either of the following:
  3. The symptoms in the first criterion developed during or soon after substance intoxication or withdrawal.
  4. The disturbance is not better accounted for by an anxiety disorder that is not substance-induced. Evidence that the symptoms are better accounted for by an anxiety disorder that is not substance induced might include the following:
  5. The symptoms precede the onset of substance use.
  6. The symptoms persist for a substantial period (e.g., about a month) after cessation of acute withdrawal or severe intoxication or are substantially more than expected given the type or amount of the substance used or the duration of use.
  7. Other evidence suggests the existence of an independent nonsubstance-induced anxiety disorder (e.g., a history of recurrent nonsubstance-related episodes).
  8. The disturbance does not occur exclusively during delirium.
  9. The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.



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Shablagoo
06/16/22 12:49:05 PM
#48:


SSJPurple posted...
It bugs me that pot has had to prove itself 100x harder than alcohol or tobacco ever did yet both are completely legal for recreational use when both are just as bad if not worse

Also has always made research on cannabis much more difficult, as well as other illegal substances like psilocybin and LSD which theyre now proving can be super effective in quitting addictions, treating depression, etc.

Ar0ge posted...
TC keeps quoting himself and saying "Called it" but nothing any one has said has anything to do with what he keeps quoting himself saying...

You can't just keep saying you called it to win an argument... It's funny because what you are doing, is exactly what all the anti vaxxers do that you are complaining about.

Yeah its funny because we all know TCs gimmick but he usually puts in at least a modicum of effort lol

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ehhwhatever
06/16/22 12:49:30 PM
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Well thc chewies are helping people with anxiety and depression and a side effect is an appreciation for music. Duh

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