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UnfairRepresent 05/21/22 5:36:52 PM #1:	For the first two years of her sons life, Kris Williams read him the book Love You Forever before bedtime most nights. She took him to the park every Saturday. In the middle of the pandemic, Williams cut out the cardboard babies on the front of diaper boxes and set them around the house imaginary friends for W. when he couldnt safely socialize. Two years after their sons birth, Williams and her wife, Rebekah Wilson, had started to split. The split was nasty, Williams said, but she wasnt prepped for the news she would receive at the couples divorce hearing in Oklahoma City last January. Williams and Wilson are legally married and decided to have W. together, according to Williams, with Wilson carrying the baby. But within 15 minutes of the hearing starting, Oklahoma County District Court Judge Lynne McGuire declared that because Williams had not adopted her son, she was not his legal parent. McGuire ordered that Williams be struck from W.s birth certificate. In her place would go the couples sperm donor, who was now petitioning for custody. My body instantly started shaking, Williams said. I mean pure terror, as a queer person, to be erased. Williams has filed a motion to reconsider her case that is set to be heard on June 1. If the case makes its way to the appellate court, the ACLU of Oklahoma plans to step in, said Williams attorney Hanna Roberts. Wilson and her lawyer declined multiple requests for an interview. Williams case represents a nightmare scenario for many LGBTQ+ parents, who still lack the same rights granted to their heterosexual peers through marriage. The concern is if Kris loses, thats going to set some pretty bad precedent in the state of Oklahoma, and possibly beyond, Roberts said. I think that this is just the first time that there has been such an adverse ruling that is so contrary to equal protection. Its gotten the attention because same sex-couples get divorced all the time. According to Williams, the couple found Harlan Vaughn on a paternity website together, and the three agreed that he would be involved at a distance. W. was born August 8, 2019. They named him after Williams uncle, she said. When the couple separated, Williams said that Vaughn moved to Oklahoma City, where he and Wilson W. in tow moved in together. Williams said the last time she saw W. was in November after she and Wilson failed to come to an agreement about how to split up the holidays. Vaughn did not respond to requests for comment. The divorce has been ugly. Wilson was granted an emergency victim protective order on December 2. In the order, she alleges that Williams physically attacked her. Williams denies this. In January, Williams name was taken off of the birth certificate. The judge did not cite allegations of abuse in the decision. Though parental laws vary from state-to-state, legal experts say Williams battle to maintain custody of her son could be a test case for Oklahoma and the nation seven years after the Supreme Court granted marriage equality nationwide. After 2015, when marriage equality was granted federally, queer legal groups battled a series of cases to enshrine marriage rights for LGBTQ+ couples. That included parental rights through marriage. In 2015, two non-gestational parents those who did not give birth in Arkansas were not listed on their childrens birth certificates. Their case, Pavan v. Smith, went all the way to the Supreme Court, where the court ruled that states could not treat queer couples differently than heterosexual ones. If straight couples who conceived together in a marriage were presumed to be parents of that child, queer parents must be afforded that same right, the ruling said. Karen Loewy, senior counsel at Lambda Legal, notes that decision had a profound impact on marriage and parental rights. The courts pretty uniformly have found the presumption to apply, have limited the ability of birth moms to try and rebut the presumption of parentage for their same-sex spouse who theyre in the midst of divorcing, and have recognized that children born to married same-sex couples have two parents in both of the spouses, Loewy said. Loewy said it is unclear in Oklahoma if being listed as a parent on a birth certificate grants parentage. Laws state-to-state regarding birth certificates are idiosyncratic, and while courts have generally granted parental rights to spouses regardless of biological connections, there have been exceptions. Wilson has posted repeatedly about the case on Facebook. In text and video updates, Wilson alleges that Williams abused her during their marriage, which Williams disputes. She acknowledges that she spoke ugly towards the end of their relationship. We all have our moments, but to say Im abusive Williams trailed off. In her social media posts, Wilson says she is not motivated by a desire to undermine LGBTQ+ parental rights. Instead, she says her goal is to protect W. from perceived harm, using the tools available to her. We want clarity and truth on official state documents, one Oklahoma lawmaker said. I will use any legal strategy I need to use, unapologetically, she wrote on March 9. Nancy Polikoff is professor emerita at American University College of Law and an expert in LGBTQ+ family law. She says queer legal experts, fearing cases like Williams, have warned clients to get confirmatory adoptions while case law in states catches up to federal marriage rights. Nobody wants to do it because it costs money and because its offensive to have to adopt your own child, but it is the guarantee that that parent-child relationship can be recognized anywhere, even if you move to the most homophobic possible state, Polikoff said https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/7/8/AAZiH8AADQWC.jpg so fucked up --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:965207176] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>For the first two years of her sons life, Kris Williams read him the book Love You Forever before bedtime most nights. She took him to the park every Saturday. In the middle of the pandemic, Williams cut out the cardboard babies on the front of diaper boxes and set them around the house imaginary friends for W. when he couldnt safely socialize. Two years after their sons birth, Williams and her wife, Rebekah Wilson, had started to split. The split was nasty, Williams said, but she wasnt prepped for the news she would receive at the couples divorce hearing in Oklahoma City last January. Williams and Wilson are legally married and decided to have W. together, according to Williams, with Wilson carrying the baby. But within 15 minutes of the hearing starting, Oklahoma County District Court Judge Lynne McGuire declared that because Williams had not adopted her son, she was not his legal parent. McGuire ordered that Williams be struck from W.s birth certificate. In her place would go the couples sperm donor, who was now petitioning for custody. My body instantly started shaking, Williams said. I mean pure terror, as a queer person, to be erased. Williams has filed a motion to reconsider her case that is set to be heard on June 1. If the case makes its way to the appellate court, the ACLU of Oklahoma plans to step in, said Williams attorney Hanna Roberts. Wilson and her lawyer declined multiple requests for an interview. Williams case represents a nightmare scenario for many LGBTQ+ parents, who still lack the same rights granted to their heterosexual peers through marriage. The concern is if Kris loses, thats going to set some pretty bad precedent in the state of Oklahoma, and possibly beyond, Roberts said. I think that this is just the first time that there has been such an adverse ruling that is so contrary to equal protection. Its gotten the attention because same sex-couples get divorced all the time. According to Williams, the couple found Harlan Vaughn on a paternity website together, and the three agreed that he would be involved at a distance. W. was born August 8, 2019. They named him after Williams uncle, she said. When the couple separated, Williams said that Vaughn moved to Oklahoma City, where he and Wilson W. in tow moved in together. Williams said the last time she saw W. was in November after she and Wilson failed to come to an agreement about how to split up the holidays. Vaughn did not respond to requests for comment. The divorce has been ugly. Wilson was granted an emergency victim protective order on December 2. In the order, she alleges that Williams physically attacked her. Williams denies this. In January, Williams name was taken off of the birth certificate. The judge did not cite allegations of abuse in the decision. Though parental laws vary from state-to-state, legal experts say Williams battle to maintain custody of her son could be a test case for Oklahoma and the nation seven years after the Supreme Court granted marriage equality nationwide. After 2015, when marriage equality was granted federally, queer legal groups battled a series of cases to enshrine marriage rights for LGBTQ+ couples. That included parental rights through marriage. In 2015, two non-gestational parents those who did not give birth in Arkansas were not listed on their childrens birth certificates. Their case, Pavan v. Smith, went all the way to the Supreme Court, where the court ruled that states could not treat queer couples differently than heterosexual ones. If straight couples who conceived together in a marriage were presumed to be parents of that child, queer parents must be afforded that same right, the ruling said. Karen Loewy, senior counsel at Lambda Legal, notes that decision had a profound impact on marriage and parental rights. The courts pretty uniformly have found the presumption to apply, have limited the ability of birth moms to try and rebut the presumption of parentage for their same-sex spouse who theyre in the midst of divorcing, and have recognized that children born to married same-sex couples have two parents in both of the spouses, Loewy said. Loewy said it is unclear in Oklahoma if being listed as a parent on a birth certificate grants parentage. Laws state-to-state regarding birth certificates are idiosyncratic, and while courts have generally granted parental rights to spouses regardless of biological connections, there have been exceptions. Wilson has posted repeatedly about the case on Facebook. In text and video updates, Wilson alleges that Williams abused her during their marriage, which Williams disputes. She acknowledges that she spoke ugly towards the end of their relationship. We all have our moments, but to say Im abusive Williams trailed off. In her social media posts, Wilson says she is not motivated by a desire to undermine LGBTQ+ parental rights. Instead, she says her goal is to protect W. from perceived harm, using the tools available to her. We want clarity and truth on official state documents, one Oklahoma lawmaker said. I will use any legal strategy I need to use, unapologetically, she wrote on March 9. Nancy Polikoff is professor emerita at American University College of Law and an expert in LGBTQ+ family law. She says queer legal experts, fearing cases like Williams, have warned clients to get confirmatory adoptions while case law in states catches up to federal marriage rights. Nobody wants to do it because it costs money and because its offensive to have to adopt your own child, but it is the guarantee that that parent-child relationship can be recognized anywhere, even if you move to the most homophobic possible state, Polikoff said https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/7/8/AAZiH8AADQWC.jpg so fucked up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 05/21/22 5:39:34 PM #2:	Oof, I don't like her chances in the state of Oklahoma either sadly. I believe correct me if I'm wrong that it was the only state that had every single county vote red last election --- http://i.imgur.com/plA0Vg9.gif https://media.giphy.com/media/dgK22exekwOLm/giphy.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:965207235] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>Oof, I don't like her chances in the state of Oklahoma either sadly. I believe correct me if I'm wrong that it was the only state that had every single county vote red last election </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 05/21/22 5:39:41 PM #3:	I can't empathize because that's too scary to think about. Rationally, it is incredibly fucked up. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:965207238] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>I can't empathize because that's too scary to think about. Rationally, it is incredibly fucked up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 05/21/22 5:43:06 PM #4:	"Best interests of the child" do not mean granting custody to someone who is effectively a stranger, regardless of biological paternity. Absolute embarrassment. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:965207300] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>"Best interests of the child" do not mean granting custody to someone who is effectively a stranger, regardless of biological paternity. Absolute embarrassment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Clark 05/21/22 5:51:56 PM #5:	So fucked up. --- http://i.imgur.com/6eF0W.gif <cite>Tom Clark posted [p:965207487] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>So fucked up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I4NRulez 05/21/22 5:54:03 PM #6:	Wait, it said she didnt adopt the kid. Was she not able to or just didnt? Also, how active is the sperm donor in the kids life, and dont they usually sign something to prevent this? I have a lot of questions because it feels like she missed a lot of the shit I normally see about these situations. --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. <cite>I4NRulez posted [p:965207534] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>Wait, it said she didnt adopt the kid. Was she not able to or just didnt? Also, how active is the sperm donor in the kids life, and dont they usually sign something to prevent this? I have a lot of questions because it feels like she missed a lot of the shit I normally see about these situations. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
holy_bolt 05/21/22 5:56:34 PM #7:	What the *FUCK* --- If it was about babies we'd have universal maternal care. There would be no charge no matter how complex the delivery. But its not about babies, is it? <cite>holy_bolt posted [p:965207583] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>What the FUCK </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 05/21/22 5:57:01 PM #8:	I4NRulez posted... Wait, it said she didnt adopt the kid. Was she not able to or just didnt? Also, how active is the sperm donor in the kids life, and dont they usually sign something to prevent this? I have a lot of questions because it feels like she missed a lot of the shit I normally see about these situations. While she absolutely should have, the idea that parents have to adopt their own child to receive parental rights over it is beyond offensive to the sensibilities. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:965207590] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>I4NRulez posted... </cite> <quote>Wait, it said she didnt adopt the kid. Was she not able to or just didnt? Also, how active is the sperm donor in the kids life, and dont they usually sign something to prevent this? I have a lot of questions because it feels like she missed a lot of the shit I normally see about these situations.</quote>While she absolutely should have, the idea that parents have to adopt their own child to receive parental rights over it is beyond offensive to the sensibilities. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 05/21/22 6:01:54 PM #9:	...how does this work when the parents are two men who divorce? Here, it's clear that the birth mother retains her rights. But what about a situation with two men? Would the "sperm donor" (assuming one of the spouses is one) be the sole parent to retain parental rights? --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:965207695] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>...how does this work when the parents are two men who divorce? Here, it's clear that the birth mother retains her rights. But what about a situation with two men? Would the "sperm donor" (assuming one of the spouses is one) be the sole parent to retain parental rights? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I4NRulez 05/21/22 6:05:05 PM #10:	DeadBankerDream posted... While she absolutely should have, the idea that parents have to adopt their own child to receive parental rights over it is beyond offensive to the sensibilities. Oh no, I agree, I'm just saying in this situation you have to go for every precaution and loophole because ESPECIALLY in a place like Oklahoma you never know which bigot is going to try to fuck you over. Kinda like how gay couples rushed to get married when it was legalized because they knew they couldnt trust the government --- The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench. Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content. <cite>I4NRulez posted [p:965207770] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted... </cite> <quote>While she absolutely should have, the idea that parents have to adopt their own child to receive parental rights over it is beyond offensive to the sensibilities.</quote> Oh no, I agree, I'm just saying in this situation you have to go for every precaution and loophole because ESPECIALLY in a place like Oklahoma you never know which bigot is going to try to fuck you over. Kinda like how gay couples rushed to get married when it was legalized because they knew they couldnt trust the government </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cuticrusader09 05/21/22 6:08:32 PM #11:	Is this something that wouldve been avoided if they had gone through a sperm bank or drawn up a legal document with a lawyer? Even straight couples can get into custody trouble if they try to save and go to these paternity websites and not have good legal documents drawn up. --- AC - Violet on Penny. (N), Rose on Sapphire (S) <cite>Cuticrusader09 posted [p:965207846] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>Is this something that wouldve been avoided if they had gone through a sperm bank or drawn up a legal document with a lawyer? Even straight couples can get into custody trouble if they try to save and go to these paternity websites and not have good legal documents drawn up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 05/21/22 6:14:03 PM #12:	BignutzisBack posted... Oof, I don't like her chances in the state of Oklahoma either sadly. I believe correct me if I'm wrong that it was the only state that had every single county vote red last election https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/7/AAKLOFAADQWf.jpg Actually no, seems West Virginia too. --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr <cite>Sayoria posted [p:965207977] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>BignutzisBack posted... </cite> <quote>Oof, I don't like her chances in the state of Oklahoma either sadly. I believe correct me if I'm wrong that it was the only state that had every single county vote red last election</quote> https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/0/7/AAKLOFAADQWf.jpg Actually no, seems West Virginia too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 05/21/22 6:15:00 PM #13:	good job, republicans. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:965208001] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>good job, republicans. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 05/21/22 6:15:32 PM #14:	I4NRulez posted... Wait, it said she didnt adopt the kid. Was she not able to or just didnt? Also, how active is the sperm donor in the kids life, and dont they usually sign something to prevent this? I have a lot of questions because it feels like she missed a lot of the shit I normally see about these situations. She was married to the other mother and her name was on the birth certificate, meaning she was legally the son's parent. So there would have been no need for an adoption, and attempting to do so would probably have been difficult and overly complicated anyway. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:965208012] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>I4NRulez posted... </cite> <quote>Wait, it said she didnt adopt the kid. Was she not able to or just didnt? Also, how active is the sperm donor in the kids life, and dont they usually sign something to prevent this? I have a lot of questions because it feels like she missed a lot of the shit I normally see about these situations.</quote>She was married to the other mother and her name was on the birth certificate, meaning she was legally the son's parent. So there would have been no need for an adoption, and attempting to do so would probably have been difficult and overly complicated anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 05/21/22 6:20:40 PM #15:	It's baffling to me how you can donate sperm and thereafter claim the child as yours. Then again, it's Oklahoma. Can you donate money to politicians there, and if they lose, receive it back? --- I'll remain unperturbed by the joy and the madness that I encounter everywhere I turn Slayer_22 picked waifu - https://ibb.co/WD8p1Kz <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:965208117] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>It's baffling to me how you can donate sperm and thereafter claim the child as yours. Then again, it's Oklahoma. Can you donate money to politicians there, and if they lose, receive it back? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 05/21/22 6:34:54 PM #16:	that because Williams had not adopted her son, she was not his legal parent. McGuire ordered that Williams be struck from W.s birth certificate. I am confused, she hadn't adopted the kid, but she was written in on the birth certificate? Maybe i just don't understand how american birth certificate beaurocracy works, but this doesn't make sense to me --- http://i.imgur.com/cUNC8DI.jpg <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:965208403] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote><quote>that because Williams had not adopted her son, she was not his legal parent. McGuire ordered that Williams be struck from W.s birth certificate. </quote> I am confused, she hadn't adopted the kid, but she was written in on the birth certificate? Maybe i just don't understand how american birth certificate beaurocracy works, but this doesn't make sense to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 05/21/22 6:41:01 PM #17:	Wait but she's literally the birth mom, correct? How is this even a situation then? <cite>Zikten posted [p:965208534] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>Wait but she's literally the birth mom, correct? How is this even a situation then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 05/21/22 6:43:58 PM #18:	Zikten posted... Wait but she's literally the birth mom, correct? How is this even a situation then? People continue to vote Republican so they continue to get in office. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:965208602] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Wait but she's literally the birth mom, correct? How is this even a situation then?</quote>People continue to vote Republican so they continue to get in office. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 05/21/22 6:45:03 PM #19:	Zikten posted... Wait but she's literally the birth mom, correct? How is this even a situation then? No? Read again. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:965208620] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Wait but she's literally the birth mom, correct? How is this even a situation then?</quote>No? Read again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cuticrusader09 05/21/22 6:45:22 PM #20:	Zikten posted... Wait but she's literally the birth mom, correct? How is this even a situation then? Lesbians. Kid has two mothers. Mother that carried and gave birth is on the birth certificate. They didnt go though a sperm bank to get pregnant though. Used some website with guys that volunteer, but apparently didnt have legal documents set up so that guy would have no rights (stuff you dont have to worry about with a sperm bank). It is biting the mother that didnt give birth to the child in the ass. --- AC - Violet on Penny. (N), Rose on Sapphire (S) <cite>Cuticrusader09 posted [p:965208626] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>Wait but she's literally the birth mom, correct? How is this even a situation then?</quote> Lesbians. Kid has two mothers. Mother that carried and gave birth is on the birth certificate. They didnt go though a sperm bank to get pregnant though. Used some website with guys that volunteer, but apparently didnt have legal documents set up so that guy would have no rights (stuff you dont have to worry about with a sperm bank). It is biting the mother that didnt give birth to the child in the ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alteres 05/21/22 6:45:30 PM #21:	Zikten posted... Wait but she's literally the birth mom, correct? How is this even a situation then? No, shes the other one. Why do people lie and not read? Is the truth not unpleasant enough? --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 <cite>Alteres posted [p:965208631] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Wait but she's literally the birth mom, correct? How is this even a situation then?</quote>No, shes the other one. Why do people lie and not read? Is the truth not unpleasant enough? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeLikeItHoth 05/21/22 6:47:32 PM #22:	Sounds like she was fucked over by a loop hole. --- FAM FOREVER. \| https://i.imgur.com/cGrHeeU.jpg <cite>SomeLikeItHoth posted [p:965208679] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like she was fucked over by a loop hole. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
archedsoul 05/21/22 6:49:41 PM #23:	A little weird that the guy has now moved in with the birth mother. Maybe she's bi and they fell in love and now doing this to fuck over the other mother. I know it's probably for the kid, but still, he could have just moved nearby lol. --- "Fear cuts deeper than swords." <cite>archedsoul posted [p:965208723] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>A little weird that the guy has now moved in with the birth mother. Maybe she's bi and they fell in love and now doing this to fuck over the other mother. I know it's probably for the kid, but still, he could have just moved nearby lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alteres 05/21/22 6:52:12 PM #24:	Its not really a loophole, its just a mess. She was supposed to adopt the kid, either that or you have to change the law to however is married to the birth mother at time of birth is the parent. That would fuck over tons of people too. Thats why you have legal contracts or adoption. --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 <cite>Alteres posted [p:965208769] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>Its not really a loophole, its just a mess. She was supposed to adopt the kid, either that or you have to change the law to however is married to the birth mother at time of birth is the parent. That would fuck over tons of people too. Thats why you have legal contracts or adoption. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Returning_CEmen 05/21/22 7:28:42 PM #25:	This is incredibly fucked. --- Genius, Thousandaire, Playboy, Philanthropist <cite>Returning_CEmen posted [p:965209513] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>This is incredibly fucked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 05/21/22 7:33:29 PM #26:	ROBANN_88 posted... I am confused, she hadn't adopted the kid, but she was written in on the birth certificate? Maybe i just don't understand how american birth certificate beaurocracy works, but this doesn't make sense to me She was married to the other mother and they were planning to raise the child together, so she was put on the birth certificate as a parent (which was correct). Alteres posted... Its not really a loophole, its just a mess. She was supposed to adopt the kid, either that or you have to change the law to however is married to the birth mother at time of birth is the parent. That would fuck over tons of people too. Thats why you have legal contracts or adoption. She wasn't "supposed to" adopt the kid. She was already a legal guardian. This judge is just an evil piece of shit trying to punish lesbians --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:965209621] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>ROBANN_88 posted... </cite> <quote>I am confused, she hadn't adopted the kid, but she was written in on the birth certificate? Maybe i just don't understand how american birth certificate beaurocracy works, but this doesn't make sense to me</quote>She was married to the other mother and they were planning to raise the child together, so she was put on the birth certificate as a parent (which was correct). Alteres posted... </cite> <quote>Its not really a loophole, its just a mess. She was supposed to adopt the kid, either that or you have to change the law to however is married to the birth mother at time of birth is the parent. That would fuck over tons of people too. Thats why you have legal contracts or adoption.</quote>She wasn't "supposed to" adopt the kid. She was already a legal guardian. This judge is just an evil piece of shit trying to punish lesbians </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 05/21/22 7:41:03 PM #27:	The sperm donor getting custody and birth certificate makes zero sense unless Wilson was secretly having an affair with him or something. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:965209785] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>The sperm donor getting custody and birth certificate makes zero sense unless Wilson was secretly having an affair with him or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alteres 05/21/22 7:41:25 PM #28:	Signing a birth certificate gives no parental rights. Know the fucking laws if you want to help people, changing them intelligently is the only way to make progress. --- ........the ghost in the machine... IGN: Fox, FC: 5344-2646-0982 <cite>Alteres posted [p:965209795] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>Signing a birth certificate gives no parental rights. Know the fucking laws if you want to help people, changing them intelligently is the only way to make progress. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
realnifty1 05/21/22 8:02:19 PM #29:	Alteres posted... Signing a birth certificate gives no parental rights. Know the fucking laws if you want to help people, changing them intelligently is the only way to make progress. Depends on the state, but it does seem that OK is a bit weird, but also only appears to apply to unmarried couples. I guess they must not have been married at the time of birth maybe. <cite>realnifty1 posted [p:965210213] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>Alteres posted... </cite> <quote>Signing a birth certificate gives no parental rights. Know the fucking laws if you want to help people, changing them intelligently is the only way to make progress.</quote> Depends on the state, but it does seem that OK is a bit weird, but also only appears to apply to unmarried couples. I guess they must not have been married at the time of birth maybe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil_Bit83 05/21/22 8:07:51 PM #30:	This is bullshit, but not surprising considering that it's some bible belt state. You know who is gonna lose most because of bigots? The kid. --- 2DS FC tempest 1478 9807 1205 <cite>Lil_Bit83 posted [p:965210335] in Lesbian mo... [t:80029237]...</cite> <quote>This is bullshit, but not surprising considering that it's some bible belt state. You know who is gonna lose most because of bigots? The kid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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