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Spiderman23JII
04/12/22 2:05:37 PM
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Could we beat Russia or China?

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sktgamer_13dude
04/12/22 2:05:56 PM
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Yes

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SergeantGander
04/12/22 2:07:21 PM
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Yea didn't you see how bad da USA fricked up Putin when he tried to invade Ukraine

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thronedfire2
04/12/22 2:09:16 PM
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in an all out 100% no holding back non-nuclear war we could probably beat every other country at the same time

but a war like that even without nukes would fuck up the world

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K181
04/12/22 2:10:47 PM
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The thing is that its impossible to win a war versus a country the size of the USA, China, or Russia. Sure, we could beat their armies. And then what? How are you going to stabilize a country of that size into a legitimate government more closely aligned with us?

War between modern superpowers doesnt make winners, it produces bigger and smaller losers, and thats not even bringing up the nuclear option.

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xue1
04/12/22 2:12:18 PM
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the USA lost the war in Afghanistan, to the Taliban
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UnholyMudcrab
04/12/22 2:12:38 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
in an all out 100% no holding back non-nuclear war we could probably beat every other country at the same time
The US would remain pretty safe itself because it has two oceans between it and most of the rest of the world and the most powerful navy several times over, but it doesn't have the manpower to fight a ground war of that size.

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Crescente
04/12/22 2:15:42 PM
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Yeah, modern day war has no winners. Everyone loses. If you go to war these days, you're going to have a bad time.
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On_The_Edge
04/12/22 2:16:10 PM
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xue1 posted...
the USA lost the war in Afghanistan, to the Taliban

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Turtlebread
04/12/22 2:20:37 PM
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USA vs. Mexico would be a lot like the current situation in Ukraine

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A_Good_Boy
04/12/22 2:23:08 PM
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The US couldn't even win the war on drugs.

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ThePrinceFish
04/12/22 2:24:19 PM
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Depends on whether or not you mean an actual war or a drawn out police action designed to make government officials and contractors rich.

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Ricemills
04/12/22 2:26:44 PM
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xue1 posted...
the USA lost the war in Afghanistan, to the Taliban

because that war is not supposed to be won.
arms Industry and PMC has large profit in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, they're not going to cut their income by ending it.

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Itachi157
04/12/22 2:26:52 PM
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xue1 posted...
the USA lost the war in Afghanistan, to the Taliban

Theres a difference between a conventional war, which most of these hypotheticals are referring to, and trying to occupy a country and rebuild it, etc.

The US rekt the Taliban in the conventional phase, but lost the occupation phase.

so yes, the US could still beat China in a war despite failing in Afghanistan.
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KamenRiderBlade
04/12/22 2:33:02 PM
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xue1 posted...
the USA lost the war in Afghanistan, to the Taliban

Winning the initial war against the Taliban occupation happened fast enough within a few years.

Occupation of territory & Nation Building is FAR harder than most people think.

Part of it has to do with (if the locals think of themselves as a "Single Unified Nation").

In Afghanistan, what nobody in the various Presidential Administrations in the US realized or cared to realize was that Afghanistan is mostly tribal, they don't consider themselves a "Single Unified Nation".

Here's a map of the various tribes that the locals divide themselves into:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/2/6/AAAFvAAACMfC.jpg
They don't consider themselves "Afghani's" so much as Uzbeks, Tajiks, & Pashtuns.

Where as Ukraine, Japan, South Korea, & many other regions have a local populace who consider themselves a "Single Unified Nation" or people who want their own "Nation".

This mentality in the local populace is key to changing things after any War is over and Occupation needs to be had.

In the Middle East, most of the area is divided via Ethnic Tribal & Religious Affilation boundaries.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/2/7/AAAFvAAADIJz.jpg

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Guide
04/12/22 2:34:50 PM
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We could fuck any country up, but that doesn't mean we can avoid MAD.

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KamenRiderBlade
04/12/22 2:37:37 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Even if you win the War; occupation, rebuilding, changing the local culture is FAR harder to do.

Winning the initial War is actually a bit easier in the grand scheme of things.

Rebuilding a new Nation during the Occupation Phase is a far more complex & messy affair.

Sometimes you get it right with examples like Japan, South Korea, Ukraine, etc.

Sometimes you screw it up like in Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc.

Sometimes, it turns out ok like disolving Yugoslavia into various new Nation States.

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UnholyMudcrab
04/12/22 2:39:03 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Sometimes, it turns out ok like disolving Yugoslavia into various new Nation States.
Uhhh

What's the definition of "ok" here?

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LightHawKnight
04/12/22 2:39:14 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
The US would remain pretty safe itself because it has two oceans between it and most of the rest of the world and the most powerful navy several times over, but it doesn't have the manpower to fight a ground war of that size.

For modern combat, how necessary are large ground combats anyways? Manpower isn't as a big issue as in the past.

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ssk9716757
04/12/22 2:40:14 PM
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the taliban beat the US military with Soviet era weapons and flip flops lmao

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OmegaShinkai
04/12/22 2:42:25 PM
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In terms of force projection I don't think there's another country that could compete against the US in a conventional war.
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KamenRiderBlade
04/12/22 2:45:53 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Uhhh

What's the definition of "ok" here?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars

Slobadon Milosevic was stopped by US & NATO

Post 2001, the new Nation States that followed the break-up of Yugoslavia are largely in peace to this moment in time.

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UnholyMudcrab
04/12/22 2:51:44 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Post 2001, the new Nation States that followed the break-up of Yugoslavia are largely in peace to this moment in time.
And what about the decade preceding that?

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Spiderman23JII
04/12/22 2:52:48 PM
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Do you think US could ever be invaded?

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ThePrinceFish
04/12/22 2:55:08 PM
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Spiderman23JII posted...
Do you think US could ever be invaded?
Assuming they could manage to scoot the Naval defenses and make landfall, they would never hold any territory. Not as long as the United States citizenry is armed to the teeth in the way they are.

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KamenRiderBlade
04/12/22 2:55:25 PM
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ssk9716757 posted...
the taliban beat the US military with Soviet era weapons and flip flops lmao
The Taliban survived the 20 year occupation led by the US after Biden decided to pull the plug abruptly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)

There's a difference between "Beating the enemy" and "living long enough to outlast" the foreign powers political will to change your region into a Nation.

Anybody with half a brain in Washington DC knows that it was going to take longer than 20 years to turn Afghanistan into a unified Nation.

We're dealing with a Tribal region who have "NEVER / EVER" previously considered themselves a unified people.

UN listed Afghanistan amongst the Top-15 most corrupt countries in the world.

Nobody who has dealt with Afghanistan was going to think it was going to be "Quick or Easy" to unify the local people into a Nation State, especially with the Tribalistic mentality that prevails amongst those in Afghanistan.

You're trying to turn these Tribal enclaves into a Unified Nation State
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/2/6/AAAFvAAACMfC.jpg
Something that has never been done before.

And the Taliban wants to rule all of Afghanistan with their power as a Terrorist Faction who uses violence to subjugate the locals under their (rule of law / regime)

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Spiderman23JII
04/12/22 2:59:09 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Assuming they could manage to scoot the Naval defenses and make landfall, they would never hold any territory. Not as long as the United States citizenry is armed to the teeth in the way they are.


yeah Texas would solo

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KamenRiderBlade
04/12/22 3:00:00 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
And what about the decade preceding that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars
Wars:
3.1 The Ten-Day War in Slovenia (1991)
3.2 Croatian War of Independence (19911995)
3.3 Bosnian War (19921995)
3.4 Kosovo War (19981999)
3.5 Insurgency in the Preevo Valley (19992001)
3.6 Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia (2001)

There was plenty of wars going on before the US/NATO intervened and helped take down Slobadon Milosevic

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KamenRiderBlade
04/12/22 3:02:32 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Assuming they could manage to scoot the Naval defenses and make landfall, they would never hold any territory. Not as long as the United States citizenry is armed to the teeth in the way they are.
First the Occupational Enemy Forces have to:

1) Get past the US Missile Defense Network spread around the US & the World
2) Get past the US Air Force
3) Get past the US Navy
4) Defeat the US Army & Marines on land
5) Deal with the Armed US Citizens who will fight back in Guerilla Warfare
6) Break the spirit of the US Citizens who want to fight back.
7) Defeat all the various US Special Forces + Veterans who reside amongst the Armed Civilian populace who has the most FireArms per Capita of any nation.

BTW, we own enough FireArms to equip every single Adult Citizen & Teenager/PreTeen who wants to fight.

Good luck with that, whomever wants to invade the USA and change things via force has several mountains to climb.

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ssk9716757
04/12/22 5:57:07 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
The Taliban survived the 20 year occupation led by the US after Biden decided to pull the plug abruptly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)

There's a difference between "Beating the enemy" and "living long enough to outlast" the foreign powers political will to change your region into a Nation.

Anybody with half a brain in Washington DC knows that it was going to take longer than 20 years to turn Afghanistan into a unified Nation.

We're dealing with a Tribal region who have "NEVER / EVER" previously considered themselves a unified people.

UN listed Afghanistan amongst the Top-15 most corrupt countries in the world.

Nobody who has dealt with Afghanistan was going to think it was going to be "Quick or Easy" to unify the local people into a Nation State, especially with the Tribalistic mentality that prevails amongst those in Afghanistan.

You're trying to turn these Tribal enclaves into a Unified Nation State
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/2/6/AAAFvAAACMfC.jpg
Something that has never been done before.

And the Taliban wants to rule all of Afghanistan with their power as a Terrorist Faction who uses violence to subjugate the locals under their (rule of law / regime)

they didnt beat america, america just surrendered

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SSJPurple
04/12/22 6:09:34 PM
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For fugs sake with the amount of money that goes towards our military I f****** hope so

If we cantwhy even waste all that money on it?

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Ratchetrockon
04/12/22 6:29:10 PM
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1 v 1 probably. cant take over the entire world tho
i know people meme about america losing to smaller undeveloped countries but honestly its not like they caused any significant damage to us military. U.S. fighter pilots and drones just go out and bomb a bunch of people (terrorists/civilians/children/dogs/etc) hiding in caves or buildings.

the only retaliation towards them is some mortar fire on some bases which tends to not kill anyone. sometimes a handful of contractors and military personnel die a year but just a drop in the bucket

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KamenRiderBlade
04/12/22 7:56:14 PM
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ssk9716757 posted...
they didnt beat america, america just surrendered

lol
No, they didn't beat America, Biden just said "I'm taking my ball and going home". Biden said "I quit".

No more occupation of Afghanistan. I'm sick of not making change at a fast enough pace, so I'm taking my Military Forces and going home.

The puppet government, you're on your own.

And they proceeded to fold like wet paper mache because they thought the US was going to do all the heavy lifting for them and never got ready to do the heavy lifting on their own for nation building.

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ScazarMeltex
04/12/22 7:58:43 PM
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In a conventional force on force conflict like what is going on now in Ukraine? Sure. For anything other than that I invite you to look at the American efforts in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq 2 electric boogaloo.

Also lol at this fucking dude claiming Biden pulled the plug on Afghanistan. That withdrawal was negotiated with the Taliban by the Trump admin.

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Payzmaykr
04/12/22 8:07:02 PM
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Nobody wins in war.

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Solid Sonic
04/12/22 8:10:55 PM
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It's kind of immaterial because if the US got involved then EVERYONE in NATO gets involved so our strength militarily is ultimately just a piece of the puzzle.

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KamenRiderBlade
04/12/22 8:12:38 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
In a conventional force on force conflict like what is going on now in Ukraine? Sure. For anything other than that I invite you to look at the American efforts in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq 2 electric boogaloo.

Also lol at this fucking dude claiming Biden pulled the plug on Afghanistan. That withdrawal was negotiated with the Taliban by the Trump admin.
And Biden didn't have to follow the plan laid out by Trump, Biden's in charge; he can change the plans whenever he wants.

At the end of the day, the US military has to follow Biden's orders; if the PotUS says stay, screw the original negtiated deal. The US military will have to follow Biden's orders.

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KamenRiderBlade
04/12/22 9:06:02 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Lots of Women & Children left behind in Afghanistan wouldn't agree with that given that they're now under Taliban control.

They were promised the ability to evacuate to a Western Country if the US and their allies were to pull out.

We didn't keep our end of the bargain for many of those folks who were left behind.

Afghan women left behind by US withdrawal
https://www.devex.com/news/devex-newswire-afghan-women-left-behind-by-us-withdrawal-100436

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/world/asia/women-afghanistan-withdrawal-us.html
Afghan Women Fear the Worst, Whether War or Peace Lies Ahead
Whatever happens once the United States withdraws will not bode well for Afghan women. But even the gains made for them over the last 20 years have often been fleeting.

Exiting Afghanistan: the women and allies left behind
https://whyy.org/episodes/exiting-afghanistan-the-women-and-allies-left-behind/

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