Current Events > Why can't trans athletes complete in a different category?

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BilalPowell posted...

Those Michael Phelps Olympic races in 2008 were huge. Other years he was competing were pretty big too.

Yeah, I get that. It's just that nobody ever gives a fuck about swimming otherwise.

Sayoria posted...

Serena Williams is built like a rock. Might as well have her compete with the men or trans athletes. Right?

Serena Williams is a woman. Racist clown post

DocDelicious posted...

Because there aren't enough of them.
You'd have one dude competing against himself.

Underrated post

ekie posted...

Serena Williams is a woman. Racist clown post

Nothing to do with race. She's literally bigger than me. Plus, if you look later in the thread, I also bring up Ronda Rousey. Literally nothing to do with race. All to do with the fact that just because I am trans, it doesn't mean I have any biological advantage over any of them.

DocDelicious posted...

Because there aren't enough of them.
You'd have one dude competing against himself.

This is offensive.

KobiusBrandle_F posted...

This is offensive.

What if they identify as a dude? Then it's not offensive.

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But "testosterone levels" are such an ethereal thing to look for in the first place... When are they masured? How soon before the competition? Testosterone levels during puberty will indeed make some irreversible changes in receptors that determine how muscle mass is built in the first place. Transitioning before puberty is of course the best way to go about it.

PoopPotato posted...

What if they identify as a dude? Then it's not offensive.

Be honest. Zero people care about trans men in sports. This is, has always been, and will always be about trans women.

Why not ban LeBron from the NBA? He has some pretty noticeable advantages, not really fair to the other players.

Shablagoo posted...

Why not ban LeBron from the NBA? He has some pretty noticeable advantages, not really fair to the other players.

So there are advantages?

Llaeto7 posted...

So there are advantages?

LeBron has noticeable advantages over most other players, yes. 6 foot 8 but with the skills of a guard and the strength of a center.

Flauros posted...

Why not combine all leagues into one and let everyone be on even ground?

John McEnroe pitched this in order to end the debate over how well Serena would do against the men (she would do terribly).

It would be an interesting experiment at the very least. We would end up having lesser professional male athletes in each sport pushing out the women, so women would inherently get even less opportunities under this scenario.

Llaeto7 posted...

Why even have male and female sports then?

You were so close to achieving self-awareness.

Shablagoo posted...

LeBron has noticeable advantages over most other players, yes. 6 foot 8 but with the skills of a guard and the strength of a center.

Why be disingenuous about what I'm asking?

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Not really.

ZMythos posted...

You were so close to achieving self-awareness.

Are people naive enough to think combining male and female sports would be a good thing for female athletes? Is this something female athletes even want? Ironically, this is someone talking about my awareness while saying what females should want.

Llaeto7 posted...

Are people naive enough to think combining male and female sports would be a good thing for female athletes? Is this something female athletes even want? Ironically, this is someone talking about my awareness while saying what females should want.

For someone who's just asking questions, you seem to already have all of the answers in your head.

Almost as though this entire topic is founded on a bad faith argument and you're just looking to stir the pot and fire off some transphobic and sexist rhetoric amidst the resulting chaos.

Meanwhile, 100 years ago

"Why can't minority athletes just compete in their own league?"

ZMythos posted...

For someone who's just asking questions, you seem to already have all of the answers in your head.

Almost as though this entire topic is founded on a bad faith argument and you're just looking to stir the pot and fire off some transphobic and sexist rhetoric amidst the resulting chaos.

Yes, all transphobes advocate for preteen transitioning.

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Lmao.

Does transitioning all of a sudden make you not 6+, considering swimming and many other sports are affected by reach, stride length, etc.?

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What do testosterone levels along directly correlate to? Do you have the curves?

Llaeto7 posted...

Yes, all transphobes advocate for preteen transitioning.

We all know what concern trolling is

I am 5'8. What if Muggsy Bogues transitioned years back? Would he have been advantaged against the women for his height?

TMOG posted...

We all know what concern trolling is

You can have all the bad faith you want, doesn't really contribute.

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/2/7/AAfF4vAADEZL.png

Let them all compete against one another and inject as many hormones and hgh they can. I wanna see someone shot put the damn ball out of the arena.

On a more serious note, how many transgender athletes are out there? Out of curiosity, how many of them are trans men?

Llaeto7 posted...

You can have all the bad faith you want, doesn't really contribute.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/2/7/AAfF4vAADEZL.png

You've just lost your mind at this point, haven't you?

TMOG posted...

You've just lost your mind at this point, haven't you?

Why...?

Llaeto7 posted...

But "testosterone levels" are such an ethereal thing to look for in the first place... When are they masured? How soon before the competition? Testosterone levels during puberty will indeed make some irreversible changes in receptors that determine how muscle mass is built in the first place. Transitioning before puberty is of course the best way to go about it.

... But we check all of those things. You and me might not know the exact specifics, but the people organizing competitions do. The Olympics have had guidelines for trans athletes for like 20 years now and so has the NCAA.

If the difference was that undeniable, wouldn't every sport be dominated by trans women by now?
Llaeto7 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/2/7/AAfF4vAADEZL.png

Normally when asked to provide a source, you actually provide an actual source, not a random graph that you could've made in Excel 20 minutes ago. If its a figure from said source, that's okay, but you still would need to provide that source.

Not actually backing up your data suggests that you are either A) being disingenuous and misrepresenting the data, or B) making **** up.

Proto_Spark posted...

. But we check all of those things. You and me might not know the exact specifics, but the people organizing competitions do. The Olympics have had guidelines for trans athletes for like 20 years now and so has the NCAA.

If the difference was that undeniable, wouldn't every sport be dominated by trans women by now?

Great, can you direct me to those technical guidelines?

Proto_Spark posted...

Normally when asked to provide a source, you actually provide an actual source, not a random graph that you could've made in Excel 20 minutes ago. If its a figure from said source, that's okay, but you still would need to provide that source.

Not actually backing up your data suggests that you are either A) being disingenuous and misrepresenting the data, or B) making **** up.

Are you kidding me? Jesus fucking Christ this was an example I picked up because the dude literally didn't know what I meant by "curves". It has nothing to do with the topic and I wasn't backing any claim with it...

I swear some people enter every single argument like this with such bad faith it's impossible to move forward.