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EffectAndCause
03/22/22 7:59:48 AM
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I keep hearing people say Biden has handled this so HORRIBLY! but im not informed enough to know what people wanted him to do.

Do they want boots on the ground? I thought our soldiers just FINALLY came home after 20 years so we didnt want yet another military conflict?

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PoundGarden
03/22/22 8:02:14 AM
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Said "anyone who invades Ukraine is gay. And a nerd."

Would've put Putin in a real pickle


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03/22/22 8:06:08 AM
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They wanted Biden to let daddy Putin have his way.

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wackyteen
03/22/22 8:10:13 AM
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People saying that wanted one of two things:

1) Biden to do nothing

Or

2) Biden to get involved militarily.

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downisthenewup
03/22/22 8:13:27 AM
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May 2021 he lifted sanctions on NordStream 2.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2021/12/01/nord-stream-2-turning-into-bidens-no-1-problem-495280
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kelemvor
03/22/22 8:18:07 AM
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I think he's done OK but he needs to be tougher with China. Force them to take a side (and the right side) by threatening them with tariffs.

If Putin lost his best friend Xi he would basically have the entire world against him and he might back down.
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darkmaian23
03/22/22 8:40:24 AM
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kelemvor posted...
I think he's done OK but he needs to be tougher with China. Force them to take a side (and the right side) by threatening them with tariffs.
How do you get tougher on China without damaging our economy in the process?
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Doom_Art
03/22/22 9:00:41 AM
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He's handled it as well as can be expected tbh

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bigblu89
03/22/22 9:59:59 AM
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downisthenewup posted...
May 2021 he lifted sanctions on NordStream 2.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/national-security-daily/2021/12/01/nord-stream-2-turning-into-bidens-no-1-problem-495280
Why would allowing the continued building of a gas pipeline from Russia to Germany have anything to do with Russia invading Ukraine?

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chrono625
03/22/22 10:03:16 AM
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darkmaian23 posted...
How do you get tougher on China without damaging our economy in the process?

thank you 1970s/80s government and politicians.

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wackyteen
03/22/22 10:31:11 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Challenging a Russian to a drinking contest is like challenging an American to a shooting contest.

Better bets to be made

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KawaiiTakumi
03/22/22 10:39:53 AM
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Mind his own business. We really didn't need worse relations with Russia

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wackyteen
03/22/22 10:42:37 AM
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KawaiiTakumi posted...
Mind his own business. We really didn't need worse relations with Russia
World leaders don't get to just ignore ongoing humanitarian crises

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Mearcstapa
03/22/22 11:39:57 AM
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EffectAndCause posted...
I keep hearing people say Biden has handled this so HORRIBLY!

Most of the people saying this would have said so no matter what.

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KawaiiTakumi
03/22/22 11:58:25 AM
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wackyteen posted...
World leaders don't get to just ignore ongoing humanitarian crises
Feels like its doing more harm than good. Accepting refugees is one thing but fueling the war is another

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wackyteen
03/22/22 12:50:03 PM
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KawaiiTakumi posted...
Feels like its doing more harm than good. Accepting refugees is one thing but fueling the war is another

The alternative is to let them (freely) take Ukraine and give the impression that other countries (read:China) can annex/take over other countries (read:Taiwan)

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s0nicfan
03/22/22 12:54:52 PM
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He's doing about as well as anyone could reasonably expect given the threats that Putin has made around other countries getting involved. If I had to criticize him on this, it would be more around the fact that I think he could have done more prior to the actual invasion.

The Us and other countries did a good job while Russia was building up forces around the border in revealing plans to attack and false flag operations, but it is possible this whole thing could have been avoided if the US and NATO put a whole bunch of forces in eastern Ukraine prior to the invasion actually happening. At the very least, if intel indicated that this was going to happen weeks to months in advance he could have at least sent them significant military aid before the invasion to beef up their defenses. Then the US and Poland wouldn't be arguing over who's actually going to send Jets into the country.

Putin has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want to get into a fight with nato. If NATO soldiers were on the front line prior to the first attack it might actually have given him pause knowing that any offensive is likely to lead to nato casualties.

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uwnim
03/22/22 12:58:37 PM
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people who say that either are unaware of the consequences of the actions they want(e.g. want a no fly zone, but dont realize that means war with Russia), or think this happened because Biden was honest about what wed do instead of bluffing.

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shironinja
03/22/22 1:00:42 PM
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Biden should say he will take care of Putin just like he took care of Corn Pop.

https://youtu.be/beWG4vHM82E

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rexcrk
03/22/22 1:01:19 PM
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PoundGarden posted...
Said "anyone who invades Ukraine is gay. And a nerd."

Would've put Putin in a real pickle


Lmao the only correct answer, dude


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DirkDiggles
03/22/22 1:02:36 PM
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darkmaian23 posted...
How do you get tougher on China without damaging our economy in the process?

Well, for starters, tell our corporations to start making our goods here in the US instead of buying cheap Chinese goods made in sweatshops.

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chrono625
03/22/22 1:25:53 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
Well, for starters, tell our corporations to start making our goods here in the US instead of buying cheap Chinese goods made in sweatshops.

haha good luck, the same government who allowed it to happen and go on for decades now?

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KawaiiTakumi
03/22/22 4:07:08 PM
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wackyteen posted...
The alternative is to let them (freely) take Ukraine and give the impression that other countries (read:China) can annex/take over other countries (read:Taiwan)
And now they will take ukraine(costly) and will have animosity towards USA as more russian and Ukrainians will die. Its a lose lose but this lose seems worse

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shironinja
03/22/22 4:17:58 PM
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China out of Tibet
Russia out of Ukraine

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wackyteen
03/22/22 4:21:12 PM
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KawaiiTakumi posted...
And now they will take ukraine(costly) and will have animosity towards USA as more russian and Ukrainians will die. Its a lose lose but this lose seems worse
Giving ground to tyrants is always the worse option.

A well fought and earned death is always preferable

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Duncanwii
03/22/22 4:24:16 PM
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KawaiiTakumi posted...
Its a lose lose but this lose seems worse

Literally global nuclear war is the lesser evil in your mind? Really?

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Machete
03/22/22 4:25:01 PM
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Enough, duncan

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KawaiiTakumi
03/22/22 6:46:53 PM
#30:


Duncanwii posted...
Literally global nuclear war is the lesser evil in your mind? Really?
I am saying the opposite. Other countries need to mind their own business. We have military alliances to prevent a global war. Fueling the war will only lead to more deaths and increase likelihood of escalation

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KawaiiTakumi
03/22/22 6:48:53 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Giving ground to tyrants is always the worse option.

A well fought and earned death is always preferable
Honor is one of the biggest killers of man and is plain illogical. People need to learn when to surrender

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wackyteen
03/22/22 6:56:14 PM
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KawaiiTakumi posted...
Honor is one of the biggest killers of man and is plain illogical. People need to learn when to surrender
"And before I'd be a slave, I'd be buried in my grave"

Death is preferable to many things. Laying down for tyrants that would endlessly fuck you is one of those many things

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s0nicfan
03/22/22 6:59:41 PM
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KawaiiTakumi posted...
Honor is one of the biggest killers of man and is plain illogical. People need to learn when to surrender

Right, which is why Russia needs to withdrawal.

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ChocoboMogALT
03/22/22 7:06:59 PM
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Real talk: compare Biden's speeches on Russia to Schwarzenneger's. Arnold knows how to reach out and change opinions, Biden just holds the status quo. From a policy perspective, it's impossible to tell; from a leadership perspective, we could do better (but Trump is muuuuuuch worse).

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hockeybub89
03/22/22 7:08:52 PM
#35:


KawaiiTakumi posted...
Honor is one of the biggest killers of man and is plain illogical. People need to learn when to surrender
Let me guess. You're a Trump supporter who won't let anyone tell you how to live.

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Magyar15
03/22/22 7:32:41 PM
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Probably wouldn't have stopped the invasion entirely, but starting the sanctions during the military buildup wouldn't have hurt.

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KawaiiTakumi
03/22/22 8:14:46 PM
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wackyteen posted...
"And before I'd be a slave, I'd be buried in my grave"

Death is preferable to many things. Laying down for tyrants that would endlessly fuck you is one of those many things
Russia isnt selling Ukrainians into slavery.
Getting Annexed by russia isnt going to make life an insufferable living hell where suicide is the only escape. Is it a good thing, no. Is it the end of the world and it would be better to be dead, no. Ukraine is drafting its young men in a hopeless war for them to die before they lose. If the government cared for its people it would know when to give up. The longer the war the longer the list of deaths

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wackyteen
03/22/22 10:28:15 PM
#38:


KawaiiTakumi posted...
Russia isnt selling Ukrainians into slavery.
Getting Annexed by russia isnt going to make life an insufferable living hell where suicide is the only escape. Is it a good thing, no. Is it the end of the world and it would be better to be dead, no. Ukraine is drafting its young men in a hopeless war for them to die before they lose. If the government cared for its people it would know when to give up. The longer the war the longer the list of deaths

The faux pseudo government that would be installed by Russia would be a puppet government subjecting the Ukrainian people to a set of rules that none of them agreed to, it's slavery in everything but name. Enslaved to a new system of rules, taxes, enforcement, laws, etc that you have no say in, no power over, subject to the whims of a murderous dictator that has no care for you or your people.

They're fighting for their right to self-determination.

Laying down their arms and bending over just because Russia has the purportedly bigger dick is some of the most cuck shit I've heard on this site.

And again, the precedence it sets just gives the green light to other would be fascist shit stains to take what they want.

If you must give your enemy anything, give them nothing but a nation of corpses and salted earth.

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DrizztLink
03/22/22 10:29:41 PM
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KawaiiTakumi posted...
Russia isnt selling Ukrainians into slavery.
Getting Annexed by russia isnt going to make life an insufferable living hell where suicide is the only escape. Is it a good thing, no. Is it the end of the world and it would be better to be dead, no. Ukraine is drafting its young men in a hopeless war for them to die before they lose. If the government cared for its people it would know when to give up. The longer the war the longer the list of deaths
Piss off, you disingenuous bootlicker.

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BilalPowell
03/22/22 10:31:15 PM
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He should have just stolen things from them instead of boycotting to harm Americans

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KawaiiTakumi
03/22/22 10:43:27 PM
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wackyteen posted...
The faux pseudo government that would be installed by Russia would be a puppet government subjecting the Ukrainian people to a set of rules that none of them agreed to, it's slavery in everything but name. Enslaved to a new system of rules, taxes, enforcement, laws, etc that you have no say in, no power over, subject to the whims of a murderous dictator that has no care for you or your people.

They're fighting for their right to self-determination.

Laying down their arms and bending over just because Russia has the purportedly bigger dick is some of the most cuck shit I've heard on this site.

And again, the precedence it sets just gives the green light to other would be fascist shit stains to take what they want.

If you must give your enemy anything, give them nothing but a nation of corpses and salted earth.
Lol you sound insane. Slavery is dehumanizing people to the point where they are property that have rights and must obey your every command.

Laws are not slavery, taxes are not slavery, rules I dont personally agree with are not slavery. Stop dramatizing everything.

They're fighting for their right to self-determination. If you must give your enemy anything, give them nothing but a nation of corpses and salted earth.

Who determines this? Ukraine isnt exactly a beacon of democracy and it has its own corruption problems. Only despicable leaders force living humans in a draft for them to die because muh enemy and if I cant have this no one can. Craziest thing I have ever read. Oh no I am losing this board game? Guess I will flip the table

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wackyteen
03/22/22 10:53:22 PM
#42:


KawaiiTakumi posted...
Slavery is dehumanizing people to the point where they are property that have rights and must obey your every command.

Letting someone come big dick swinging into your own house and take your wife in front of you and your kids just because you're too pussy whipped scared to stand up for yourself or anyone is dehumanizing as fuck to everybody involved.

You think the Ukranian people will have 'rights'? Think they won't have to obey every command from the Kremlin? You're fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

KawaiiTakumi posted...
Who determines this? Ukraine isnt exactly a beacon of democracy and it has its own corruption problems. Only despicable leaders force living humans in a draft for them to die because muh enemy and if I cant have this no one can. Craziest thing I have ever read. Oh no I am losing this board game? Guess I will flip the table
Only despicable pussy whipped shit stains of leaders bend over to the first thug with a gun to knock on their door.

And this isn't a board game. This is life and death for your people. This is continued self-determination for your people. This isn't a power grab for Zelensky. This isn't because "if I can't have this, nobody can". This is having pride in one's self and ones country and what it stands for. This is about fighting for what you believe in.

If you don't have anything that you believe in to the point that you'd at least fight for it, that's one hell of a sad existence

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KawaiiTakumi
03/22/22 11:04:38 PM
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Ah yes because giving them nothing but a nation of corpses and salted earth is what they believe in and dhows all the glorious pride of the people and land Nationalism is a cancer and pragmatism is dead T_T

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wackyteen
03/22/22 11:12:49 PM
#44:


KawaiiTakumi posted...
Ah yes because giving them nothing but a nation of corpses and salted earth is what they believe in and dhows all the glorious pride of the people and land Nationalism is a cancer and pragmatism is dead T_T

Rather be remembered for fighting, than be assimilated into the first nation to knock on my door and have my peoples culture, history, hopes and desires eradicated

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ElatedVenusaur
03/22/22 11:12:59 PM
#45:


KawaiiTakumi posted...
Ah yes because giving them nothing but a nation of corpses and salted earth is what they believe in and dhows all the glorious pride of the people and land Nationalism is a cancer and pragmatism is dead T_T
Yes, much more pragmatic to simply submit to fascists and appeal to their better nature.

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KawaiiTakumi
03/23/22 12:24:19 AM
#46:


ElatedVenusaur posted...
Yes, much more pragmatic to simply submit to fascists and appeal to their better nature.
As opposed to dying, yes.

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hockeybub89
03/23/22 12:50:36 AM
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"Nationalism is stupid" is a weird take criticizing people not wanting their home taken over by a fucking dictator.

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KawaiiTakumi
03/23/22 12:55:32 AM
#48:


hockeybub89 posted...
"Nationalism is stupid" is a weird take criticizing people not wanting their home taken over by a fucking dictator.
The concept of dying for your country is dumb on every side. In life you need to know when to cut your losses

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Nukazie
03/23/22 12:59:42 AM
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he should have went in raw and not pull out

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RustyReborn
03/23/22 1:01:17 AM
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^ zuh?

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