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blackpanther59
02/15/22 4:50:46 PM
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Both are obviously wrong, but isn't taking someone's life worse than causing someone to feel sexually violated?
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Smackems
02/15/22 4:51:35 PM
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Isn't it prison

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AwesomeFawful
02/15/22 4:51:57 PM
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Been wondering this for years.

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CanuckCowboy
02/15/22 4:52:06 PM
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Murders aren't a guaranteed risk to re-offend.

Sex offenders typically are.

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blackpanther59
02/15/22 4:52:54 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Murders aren't a guaranteed risk to re-offend.

Sex offenders typically are.
Stats say otherwise
Smackems posted...
Isn't it prison
murder isn't always a life sentence
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gunplagirl
02/15/22 4:53:39 PM
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It's definitely weird that when a prisoner is released from serving time for a murder they aren't required to have the community informed of such a thing ahead of time. Nothing like the "no coming in contact with kids" rules either AFAIK beyond maybe release conditions forbidding them from seeing former associates/ gang members/ whatever. But a guy who murdered a frail old lady robbing her? Nothing says he can't go talk to any old ladies he wants once he's released AFAIK.

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I4NRulez
02/15/22 4:54:35 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
Stats say otherwise

murder isn't always a life sentence

I just Google stats on it and the most common number I'm seeing is 2% or less

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COVxy
02/15/22 4:55:15 PM
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Because murder often carries harsh sentences, and sex offenses don't. So we have ways of extending punishment without having to deal with pesky constitutional rights.

Same reason they charge for each individual image in child porn cases.

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blackpanther59
02/15/22 4:57:46 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
It's definitely weird that when a prisoner is released from serving time for a murder they aren't required to have the community informed of such a thing ahead of time. Nothing like the "no coming in contact with kids" rules either AFAIK beyond maybe release conditions forbidding them from seeing former associates/ gang members/ whatever. But a guy who murdered a frail old lady robbing her? Nothing says he can't go talk to any old ladies he wants once he's released AFAIK.
It makes me think of the titanic, "women and children" phrase. Why is the titanic focused on women and children?

Well, whatever reason, that may be extended here. Most murder victims are adult men, while sex offense victims are women/children. Society seems to focus on protecting them more.
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Will_VIIII
02/15/22 4:58:56 PM
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Aren't there way more sex offenders than murderers too?

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blackpanther59
02/15/22 5:02:47 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
I just Google stats on it and the most common number I'm seeing is 2% or less
on sex offenders re offending?
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I4NRulez
02/15/22 5:03:10 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
on sex offenders re offending?

murderers

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Tryin2GetDaPipe
02/15/22 5:05:42 PM
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Way easier to commit a sex crime

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Boombam99
02/15/22 5:06:03 PM
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Because sex stuff is icky and gross and murders are just violence
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Fam_Fam
02/15/22 5:07:11 PM
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Tryin2GetDaPipe posted...
Way easier to commit a sex crime

wtf are u talking about?

you can murder someone without getting anywhere near them

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blackpanther59
02/15/22 5:07:39 PM
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Boombam99 posted...
Because sex stuff is icky and gross and murders are just violence
just violence that ends life.
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EmbraceOfDeath
02/15/22 5:08:22 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
just violence that ends life.
They're being sarcastic, but that's the gist of how America views it.

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Glob
02/15/22 5:09:49 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
murder isn't always a life sentence

It is here.
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blackpanther59
02/15/22 5:10:38 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
They're being sarcastic, but that's the gist of how America views it.
okay thank goodness. i thought you were being serious lol
Glob posted...
It is here.
where btw?
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Glob
02/15/22 5:12:43 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
where btw?

UK.

Of course, you might argue that it's not a life sentence if they ever have any hope of getting out. We don't view it that way.

However, all individuals convicted of murder are given a life sentence.
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Gucci_Josh
02/15/22 5:14:13 PM
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A murderer probably came from a poor underprivileged neighborhood, where crime, unfortunately, can seem like the only option. We have to be able to believe in a chance for such people to redeem themselves. No need to ruin their life forever for a horrible mistake they made when they were young.
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RenescoStCewl
02/15/22 5:16:54 PM
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Glob posted...
UK.

Of course, you might argue that it's not a life sentence if they ever have any hope of getting out. We don't view it that way.

However, all individuals convicted of murder are given a life sentence.
I don't get how they are called life sentences if people can get out. It doesn't make any sense.

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Boombam99
02/15/22 5:17:35 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
okay thank goodness. i thought you were being serious lol


Ya I was joking. I agree with you
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Kloe_Rinz
02/15/22 5:19:00 PM
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how many of the "one time sex offenders" are actual sex offenders and not just someone who pissed in public behind a tree or something like that. i'd imagine that taints whatever stats america has on this subject
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ShutTheF---Up
02/15/22 5:41:47 PM
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RenescoStCewl posted...
I don't get how they are called life sentences if people can get out. It doesn't make any sense.

Well, the general idea of it is that it's like how if you get a 10 year sentence, but let out early (after, say, 5 years) on parole, you're still officially serving your sentence until the full 10 years are up, and if you breach parole conditions during that time they can whisk you straight back to jail even if you haven't committed a further offence. In the case of a life sentence with parole, the parole conditions would apply for the rest of the person's life even if they are allowed out of the literal prison.

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blackpanther59
02/15/22 5:49:12 PM
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Gucci_Josh posted...
A murderer probably came from a poor underprivileged neighborhood, where crime, unfortunately, can seem like the only option. We have to be able to believe in a chance for such people to redeem themselves. No need to ruin their life forever for a horrible mistake they made when they were young.
Most sex offenders are age 14. I bet you didnt know that.
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Tryin2GetDaPipe
02/15/22 5:54:23 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
wtf are u talking about?

you can murder someone without getting anywhere near them
So? Just because you can commit a murder being far away from your target and that you have to be physically close to commit a sex crime doesn't mean that it's easier to commit murders than sex crimes lol

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Turbam
02/15/22 5:58:33 PM
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Tryin2GetDaPipe posted...
Way easier to commit a sex crime
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Will_VIIII
02/15/22 5:59:33 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
Most sex offenders are age 14. I bet you didnt know that.
Source?

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CanuckCowboy
02/15/22 6:05:46 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
Stats say otherwise

murder isn't always a life sentence

What stats?

Are you saying most murderers are serial killers? Are you saying sex offenders don't frequently commit multiple offences?

Where did you find these stats? Why don't you link them?

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Master Kazuya
02/15/22 6:16:55 PM
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No clue, there should be

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CanuckCowboy
02/15/22 6:22:48 PM
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Master Kazuya posted...
No clue, there should be

There's such a thing as justifiable homicide. Ain't no justifiable sexual assault.

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EmbraceOfDeath
02/15/22 6:27:00 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
There's such a thing as justifiable homicide. Ain't no justifiable sexual assault.
Homicide isn't murder.

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Sackgurl
02/15/22 6:31:33 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
Source?

the source is @blackpanther59 lied

https://icasa.org/docs/sexual_offenders_-_draft-7.doc

10.9% of sexual offenders are 18 years of age or younger; 8% are 18-20; 31.2% are 21-29; 40% are 30 or older.

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I4NRulez
02/15/22 6:33:17 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
It's definitely weird that when a prisoner is released from serving time for a murder they aren't required to have the community informed of such a thing ahead of time. Nothing like the "no coming in contact with kids" rules either AFAIK beyond maybe release conditions forbidding them from seeing former associates/ gang members/ whatever. But a guy who murdered a frail old lady robbing her? Nothing says he can't go talk to any old ladies he wants once he's released AFAIK.

to be fair, most murders are like "crimes of passion". Its not a way of thinking for most people. Its like a things went wrong thing.

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blackpanther59
02/15/22 6:36:16 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
to be fair, most murders are like "crimes of passion". Its not a way of thinking for most people. Its like a things went wrong thing.
and cant that be said of sex crimes?
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blackpanther59
02/15/22 6:37:21 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
There's such a thing as justifiable homicide. Ain't no justifiable sexual assault.
Nope, only thing justified is self defense, not homocide. Homicide = murder
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EmbraceOfDeath
02/15/22 6:40:48 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
Nope, only thing justified is self defense, not homocide. Homicide = murder
Homicide just means killing someone. It includes justified and unjustified killings. Homicide isn't murder, but murder is homicide.

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blackpanther59
02/15/22 6:42:55 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Homicide just means killing someone. It includes justified and unjustified killings. Homicide isn't murder, but murder is homicide.
this topic wasnt about homcides, it was about murders

dont try and deviate the main point of the thread
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nfearurspecimn
02/15/22 6:45:38 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
but isn't taking someone's life worse than causing someone to feel sexually violated?
actually I feel the opposite but whatever

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EmbraceOfDeath
02/15/22 6:46:02 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
this topic wasnt about homcides, it was about murders

dont try and deviate the main point of the thread
I'm not the one who brought up homicide.

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blackpanther59
02/15/22 6:46:28 PM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
actually I feel the opposite but whatever
why. are you suicidal?
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blackpanther59
02/15/22 6:48:13 PM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
actually I feel the opposite but whatever
@CanuckCowboy i should have quoted you
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Biofighter55
02/15/22 6:53:39 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
Nope, only thing justified is self defense, not homocide. Homicide = murder

thats wrong too, if you kill someone because someones life is in danger, thats justified Homicide

or like in Texas if you kill someone who was in the process of sexual assaulting someone, thats justifiable homicide

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Fam_Fam
02/15/22 7:55:30 PM
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Tryin2GetDaPipe posted...
So? Just because you can commit a murder being far away from your target and that you have to be physically close to commit a sex crime doesn't mean that it's easier to commit murders than sex crimes lol

it would be trivial to murder essentially any non-bodyguarded person if you wanted to. successfully committing a sex crime would be much more challenging.
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blackpanther59
02/15/22 11:15:45 PM
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Biofighter55 posted...
thats wrong too, if you kill someone because someones life is in danger, thats justified Homicide

or like in Texas if you kill someone who was in the process of sexual assaulting someone, thats justifiable homicide
thats basically "self defense" for another person.
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hockeybub89
02/15/22 11:19:41 PM
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Shouldn't they execute everyone the moment they are convicted of a crime if they're going to make sure their lives are ruined even after they serve their time? I'm not seeing the point of prison/jail in this society.

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TheOtherMike
02/15/22 11:19:52 PM
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blackpanther59 posted...
thats basically "self defense" for another person.

The point is that not all homicide is murder.
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blackpanther59
02/15/22 11:25:58 PM
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TheOtherMike posted...
The point is that not all homicide is murder.
I said "murders registry" in the title.

I could easily say "not all sex is a sex offense". The thread is clearly about wrongdoings and their penalties.
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Tyranthraxus
02/15/22 11:28:12 PM
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Murder is a weird technical legal word that doesn't really belong in casual conversation about pedantic definitions. When you're charged with a crime, you can either defend yourself by saying you didn't do it, or you can employ an affirmative defense. For example, if you're being sued for stealing a copyrighted video, you can either say "no I didn't steal anything" or employ the affirmative defense "fair use" (well I did take it but it was to make a parody of it)

The same concept applies to self defense and murder. If you kill someone, you get charged with murder and then have to defend yourself with "self defense" in court. At that point the only difference between homicide and murder is what the jury thinks about your story.

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