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a much larger scale.

If you would not hesitate to give your friend the clothes off your back, or to lend them some food or maybe even some money...then you are a socialist at heart. You likely wouldn't hesitate to give funds to your cousin who's in the hospital to pay for his or her bills if they couldn't afford it. You would be quick to lend your buddy expensive tools to fix his truck and you probably wouldn't bat an eye if your neighbor asked if you could spare an extra moment to help him with a house project, expecting no money in return.

And yet this facade crumbles quickly when we extend this further beyond our neighborhoods, communities and states.

Why?

Because some random guy will probably keep your tools.

Yeah but if you level up a socialism to level 69 and give it a special elemental stone, it will evolve into a communism and that is bad.

Do you really not know the difference between your mom and some random person in another state?

Squall28 posted...

Do you really not know the difference between your mom and some random person in another state?

This and also having the freedom to not give away your shit is important

Also welfare != socialism

Giving should be done with a cheerful and glad heart. It should not be forced. You cant say you want someone else to make people to give of their whatever and not expect pushback.

C-Mac posted...

Giving should be done with a cheerful and glad heart. It should not be forced. You cant say you want someone else to make people to give of their whatever and not expect pushback.

it's not really the same thing as "giving" in the traditional sense. society should be set up to provide everyone's needs, and it needs measures in place to prevent people from accumulating too much wealth.

the people who live in that society benefit from it, but in order to do so they also need to accept that some amount of what they make will go back to society (e.g. taxes)

I think the decades of propaganda is the biggest factor

Something I find funny is that a socialism (and maybe communism idk) are more in line with Christian values than capitalism, but at least 90% of Christians (American at least) believe otherwise

AablMind posted...

Something I find funny is that a socialism (and maybe communism idk) are more in line with Christian values than capitalism, but at least 90% of Christians (American at least) believe otherwise

I don't think Jesus really envisioned the Nordic Model.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/1/2/AAfCfxAACe10.jpg

SSJPurple posted...

Yes. This what Jesus taught:

Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

Not, "Let's take his stuff and give it to the poor."

superficial, self-righteous virtue signalling is easy when you keep it all hypothetical lol. pretty quotes of God and togetherness get hard to put into action when one's own comfort is at stake in reality lol.

we have seen enough patterns in history to know who will do what, where, when, why and how. all you have to do is keep using the same conditions that have already proven to get the same results.

People can be in favor of voluntarily doing it for those they personally care about while being opposed to being forced to do it for strangers. Heck, people can even be in favor of voluntarily doing it for strangers while being opposed to anyone being forced to do so.

Socialism isnt giving to people. All it is is that the workplace is democratized. That means there are no capitalists at the top, rather the workers vote on who leads the company and they control the stocks and decisions, so while there are bosses, they are voted on not just the owner/capitalist.

AablMind posted...

I think the decades of propaganda is the biggest factor

Something I find funny is that a socialism (and maybe communism idk) are more in line with Christian values than capitalism, but at least 90% of Christians (American at least) believe otherwise

American Christians are far more charitable than the nonreligious. Shockingly their view of generosity tends to stem from personal charitable giving rather than forcible government taxation.

ThePrinceFish posted...

American Christians are far more charitable than the nonreligious. Shockingly their view of generosity tends to stem from personal charitable giving rather than forcible government taxation.

personal charitable giving will never be as effective as tax-funded support programs

ThePrinceFish posted...

Shockingly their view of generosity tends to stem from personal charitable giving rather than forcible government taxation.

This is the part that pisses off lefties so much: charity is voluntary and self-directed. Thus, the guy giving away buckets of money to some damn thing is almost certainly not giving it to the damn thing you like.

Questionmarktarius posted...

This is the part that pisses off lefties so much: charity is voluntary and self-directed. Thus, the guy giving away buckets of money to some damn thing is almost certainly not giving it to the damn thing you like.

The part that pisses them off is charity expects them to give out their own money. Socialism lets them act self righteous giving other people's money, and maybe being able to pocket some extra for themselves.

Squall28 posted...

The part that pisses them off is charity expects them to give out their own money. Socialism lets them act self righteous giving other people's money, and maybe being able to pocket some extra for themselves.

Good ol' altruism-by-proxy.
That's not really socialism, though, at least not the way Marx and Engels envisioned it, nor how it actually works in Norway.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79898953

Guys why don't you treat strangers like your family?