Current Events > Christians believe what's in the Bible because it's the word of God

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0x4B616E6A6F posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_quantum_mechanics

Take a history lesson.

Science isn't a religion. Stop acting like it is.

For the love of....Shut the hell up already.

ShutTheF---Up posted...

Science tries to prove itself wrong, and is extremely open when it succeeds at this. Religion tries to prove itself right, and refuses to acknowledge any and all failures to do so.

Good thing I already acknowledged I'm against religion.

What you guys are doing however is not acknowledging you don't understand everything there is about the universe, and that you could be wrong about some things. That's against your idea of how science is supposed to be. So why are you treating it like a religion?

Who's alt is this?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/2/AAPFY2AAC6no.jpg
Just in case you guys aren't aware this is someone's alt.

Can we focus on the argument without forcing me to look like a sealion?

0x4B616E6A6F posted...

Can we focus on the argument without forcing me to look like a sealion?

If you choose to stop being so disingenuous then maybe. Unlikely at this point since so many people have seen what you had to say and will now automatically write off anything else you have to say even if you change your tone.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

If you choose to stop being so disingenuous then maybe. Unlikely at this point since so many people have seen what you had to say and will now automatically write off anything else you have to say even if you change your tone.

If I'm coming across as disinguous it's not my intention. I would like to think we are all open to the thought of open mindedness because we all seem to predicate ourselves as being against religion and for the understandings of science.

Prestoff posted...

Who's alt is this?

Proudclad maybe?

TheOtherMike posted...

There is no evidence God exists, therefore it is literally anti-science to believe he does. If you disagree, you don't understand how the scientific method works or how it responds to unfalsifiable claims.

We have text, we have witnesses, we have history. Just because you don't "believe" the evidence doesn't change the fact that it exists.

Marauder64 posted...

We have text, we have witnesses, we have history. Just because you don't "believe" the evidence doesn't change the fact that it exists.

None of that is evidence God exists.

Marauder64 posted...

We have text, we have witnesses, we have history. Just because you don't "believe" the evidence doesn't change the fact that it exists.

You can say that about every old religion.

TheOtherMike posted...

None of that is evidence God exists.

Cause you say so, right?

Marauder64 posted...

Cause you say so, right?

No, because it objectively is not evidence. I don't even know which religion's God you're purporting this is evidence of. They all make these exact same claims.

Marauder64 posted...

Cause you say so, right?

None of that is actually evidence of a magical being.

Like you do realize multiple gods are written in ancient text right? God's made up to explain why the sun rises, why thunderstorms happen and more.

Even something simple as a sneeze and yawn was attributed to a God because primitive humans couldn't explain why it happened so they made up a story why it happens.

None of which scientifically proves those Marvel/DC comic characters are real.

Marauder64 posted...

We have text, we have witnesses, we have history. Just because you don't "believe" the evidence doesn't change the fact that it exists.

So which God is real?

Merriams-webster's dictionary states:

Full Definition of evidence (Entry 1 of 2)
1
a
: an outward sign : INDICATION
b
: something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY
specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2
: one who bears witness
especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against one's accomplices

We have these things.

There are man-made gods, who in reality can do nothing, then there is the One True GOD who revealed himself to the oldest patriarchy.

Marauder64 posted...

We have these things.

No we don't.

Marauder64 posted...

Merriams-webster's dictionary states:

Full Definition of evidence (Entry 1 of 2)
1
a
: an outward sign : INDICATION
b
: something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY
specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2
: one who bears witness
especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against one's accomplices

We have these things.

There are man-made gods, who in reality can do nothing, then there is the One True GOD who revealed himself to the oldest patriarchy.

Do you have studies to back it up? Maybe an experiment we can easily try at home?

If you even speak the word "believe/belief", then you might as well stop. That's not science.

One true God is contradictory. He is one and he is infinite. Man's interpretation came from different accounts in different ways which is likely why we have different religions.

0x4B616E6A6F posted...

One true God is contradictory. He is one and he is infinite. Man's interpretation came from different accounts in different ways which is likely why we have different religions.

It sure is convenient that God is beyond our understanding. Makes it very easy to say he's real and not have to prove it or be able to experience him with the human senses. You can just say hippy, new age bullshit and call it truth and science.

hockeybub89 posted...

It sure is convenient that God is beyond our understanding. Makes it very easy to say he's real and not have to prove it or be able to experience him with the human senses. You can just say hippy, new age bullshit and call it truth and science.

That's the thing with faith. You don't believe in something because you know it's real, otherwise it wouldn't be faith.

I don't see why this is an inherently bad thing and why it needs to be argued "herp derp can't be proven" all the time. Exactly, it can't be proven. That's the beauty of it.

There is no necessity to having to know everything. That isn't our purpose as human beings. So just enjoy the ride and don't let other people's faith in whatever dictate how you live your life. Arguing about this type of stuff is a waste of time and sometimes gets toxic.

I am open minded to the possibility of there being a powerful being analogous to a God in existence, but I don't have a good reason to think that any of our religions have accurately described that being.

0x4B616E6A6F posted...

That's the thing with faith. You don't believe in something because you know it's real, otherwise it wouldn't be faith.

I don't see why this is an inherently bad thing and why it needs to be argued "herp derp can't be proven" all the time. Exactly, it can't be proven. That's the beauty of it.

There is no necessity to having to know everything. That isn't our purpose as human beings. So just enjoy the ride and don't let other people's faith in whatever dictate how you live your life. Arguing about this type of stuff is a waste of time and sometimes gets toxic.

That's not the beauty of it. And we do not have to know everything, which is exactly why we don't need to create an infinite being that exists outside of our rules and comprehension, to explain what we don't yet know.

And what people believe has been dictating how people live life for thousands of years, and not just for the people choosing to believe

Why do we choose to abandon logic one specific time and just assume everyone will accept it? Why are we hypocrites?

wiiking96 posted...

but I don't have a good reason to think that any of our religions have accurately described that being.

I personally believe they all stemmed from a truth and got twisted into what exists today. The sort of stuff that is in certain religions that pertains to being a good person I would hope came from that truth.

hockeybub89 posted...

That's not the beauty of it. And we do not have to know everything, which is exactly why we don't need to create an infinite being that exists outside of our rules and comprehension, to explain what we don't yet know.

And what people believe has been dictating how people live life for thousands of years, and not just for the people choosing to believe

The reason people create an infinite being as part of their personal doctrine is because to them they find solace in it, or they personally believe they have witnessed it, or a multitude of other reasons that are beneficial to the human mind and the soul.

As for the last part of what you said, you just described religion. I am not talking about religion, I'm talking about faith in itself.

Marauder64 posted...

There are man-made gods, who in reality can do nothing, then there is the One True GOD who revealed himself to the oldest patriarchy.

prove he wasnt high and hallucinating and also prove he didnt make it up as a power grab

There's no point in arguing with these people.

I mean they just admitted that they are okay with literally lying to themselves just so they can feel better.

They know it's not real... but if they just make believe really hard....

hockeybub89 posted...

Do you have studies to back it up? Maybe an experiment we can easily try at home?

If you even speak the word "believe/belief", then you might as well stop. That's not science.

0x4B616E6A6F posted...

That's the thing with faith. You don't believe in something because you know it's real, otherwise it wouldn't be faith.

I don't see why this is an inherently bad thing and why it needs to be argued "herp derp can't be proven" all the time. Exactly, it can't be proven. That's the beauty of it.

There is no necessity to having to know everything. That isn't our purpose as human beings. So just enjoy the ride and don't let other people's faith in whatever dictate how you live your life. Arguing about this type of stuff is a waste of time and sometimes gets toxic.

You know it's real, that's why you believe. We have others accounts of things, and personal experience.

Believing isn't knowing though...

Ar0ge posted...

There's no point in arguing with these people.

I mean they just admitted that they are okay with literally lying to themselves just so they can feel better.

They know it's not real... but if they just make believe really hard....

Why does it upset you so much that people choose to believe in something? If it's not affecting anybody, why should you care?

Ar0ge posted...

Believing isn't knowing though...

This is true. But can they not go hand in hand?
There's writings. There's others experiences. Hear, read for yourself. I know this, all are called, few are chosen. It is God who actually gives faith, so count yourself fortunate if you are chosen by him for salvation.

0x4B616E6A6F posted...

I personally believe they all stemmed from a truth and got twisted into what exists today. The sort of stuff that is in certain religions that pertains to being a good person I would hope came from that truth.

Definitely proudclad.

0x4B616E6A6F posted...

Why does it upset you so much that people choose to believe in something? If it's not affecting anybody, why should you care?

Well because it is affecting a lot of people in this country and the world?

People are still trying to get evolution and other sciences out of the classrooms.

Abortion and lgtbq rights are in danger right now.

These are the people who are choosing to believe in something, as you say, and then try to shove it down every one's throats in a public education system. And then continue to take simple rights away from minorities.

What people don't understand about the whole freedom of religion thing, is it that it should also be freedom FROM religion.

Marauder64 posted...

It is God who actually gives faith, so count yourself fortunate if you are chosen by him for salvation.

Setting aside that you haven't even tried to provide evidence that your God exists, this is a pretty fucking atrocious view. Like, God created all these living conscious souls, but preselected a very few to save. Meanwhile, the rest are damned to whatever punishment afterlife you believe in, exclusively because God made them seemingly for no other purpose than that. You're fucking derranged if you actually believe this. I'd say this was obvious trolling if I didn't know there are people who believe this shit.

Marauder64 posted...

This is true. But can they not go hand in hand?
There's writings. There's others experiences. Hear, read for yourself. I know this, all are called, few are chosen. It is God who actually gives faith, so count yourself fortunate if you are chosen by him for salvation.

Based on my tag for you either you aren't chosen or your god is a monster.

Marauder64 posted...

You know it's real, that's why you believe. We have others accounts of things, and personal experience.

Say that I believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy too, does this make them real? I mean there have been people that have personal experience and other accounts about them.

DirkDiggles posted...

Say that I believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy too, does this make them real? I mean there have been people that have personal experience and other accounts about them.

Please share.

Marauder64 posted...

Please share.

Is the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause real?

DirkDiggles posted...

Is the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause real?

In some people's mind, sure. Please share what you've heard!

RenescoStCewl posted...

Based on my tag for you either you aren't chosen or your god is a monster.

A monster? Jeez.

RenescoStCewl posted...

Definitely proudclad.

How about putting my name through a hex converter?

Ar0ge posted...

Well because it is affecting a lot of people in this country and the world?

People are still trying to get evolution and other sciences out of the classrooms.

Abortion and lgtbq rights are in danger right now.

These are the people who are choosing to believe in something, as you say, and then try to shove it down every one's throats in a public education system. And then continue to take simple rights away from minorities.

What people don't understand about the whole freedom of religion thing, is it that it should also be freedom FROM religion.

I don't know why you're posting all of this when I said numerous times before I don't subscribe to religion nor do I think the concept itself is very trustworthy or positive.

TheOtherMike posted...

Setting aside that you haven't even tried to provide evidence that your God exists, this is a pretty fucking atrocious view. Like, God created all these living conscious souls, but preselected a very few to save. Meanwhile, the rest are damned to whatever punishment afterlife you believe in, exclusively because God made them seemingly for no other purpose than that. You're fucking derranged if you actually believe this. I'd say this was obvious trolling if I didn't know there are people who believe this shit.

I mean, there will be a Beast(the main Anti-christ), there also was a Judas. Pay attention though, these people will, and have made their own choices, with Gods foreknowledge. It's sad though.

The beast is just Rome/Nero which existed at the time of writing. It's not a prophecy, the number 666 is very clearly a reference to Nero in Aramaic writing.

Caution999 posted...

What's even weirder is they don't seem to acknowledge that bashing Christianity is also, in a way, bashing Judaism since half the religion is based off the Old Testament.

yet so many Christians are anti semites

I guess the flying spaghetti monster is real now. The flying spaghetti monster created all things in the universe, the oldest thing in the universe, and has the ability to smite everything with a mere thought.

RyukSan posted...

I guess the flying spaghetti monster is real now. The flying spaghetti monster created all things in the universe, the oldest thing in the universe, and has the ability to smite everything with a mere thought.

If you want to believe in that, by all means. Don't project it onto others, and believe in what makes you happy and you find meaning in.

IMNOTRAGED posted...

The beast is just Rome/Nero which existed at the time of writing. It's not a prophecy, the number 666 is very clearly a reference to Nero in Aramaic writing.

1 John 2 : 18 states(Christian standard version):

"Children, it is the last hour. And as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. By this we know that it is the last hour."

The main antichrist is supposed to bring back christ himself. Pay attention to when they rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.....

asdf8562 posted...

Ya, no.

I already know this is useless to say to religious types but "I believe fully in science" falls apart the moment you also believe in the unscientific things that come out of religion.

Saying something is real purely on faith alone goes against science.

There are world class scientists who disagree with this statement.

TheOtherMike posted...

Setting aside that you haven't even tried to provide evidence that your God exists, this is a pretty fucking atrocious view. Like, God created all these living conscious souls, but preselected a very few to save. Meanwhile, the rest are damned to whatever punishment afterlife you believe in, exclusively because God made them seemingly for no other purpose than that. You're fucking derranged if you actually believe this. I'd say this was obvious trolling if I didn't know there are people who believe this shit.

It really is for this "predestination" crap. For many protestant Christian sects (I grew up Southern Baptist), there this exclusivity club that makes them special because they happen to grow up or convert to the specific sets of beliefs and dogmas to please God. This "omnipotent" being is really starting to sound like some made up bullshit people in power just want to make themselves feel better. At least in Catholic/Eastern Orthodox sects that they believe faith is a choice (even that concept is flawed, but that will be a different discussion for a different time).