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ShineboxPhil 02/09/22 10:14:41 PM #51: |
Crazyman93 posted... "Mein Fuhrer, we've created the first jet fighter! We may be able to slow the tide of bombers the British and Americans are sending our way day and night!" Hitler's "wonder weapons" were pointless. The jet fighter would have been nice but they had no oil reserves to keep them running. In fact, them toppling Europe so quickly and going into Russia, overstretched their supply lines so far that their Blitzkrieg became unsustainable especially with Soviets going full scorched earth. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 02/09/22 10:15:17 PM #52: |
gunplagirl posted... Attacking Russia during winter certainly is a bold strategy. Too bad there's centuries of precedence of it never working out.I mean they invaded in June. Originally it was supposed to be May but they had to invade Yugoslavia and Greece which set them back on their time schedule. Also to be fair it was the Russian fall rains and the mud that they caused on Russia's mostly dirt roads that stopped the advance and allowed the Russians time to bring in the Siberian forces to reinforce the defenses around Moscow. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShineboxPhil 02/09/22 10:16:20 PM #53: |
Basically not just Hitler but a large bulk of the German military brass were glorified yes men who were too scared to tell him the truth https://youtu.be/sbim2kGwhpc --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nexigrams 02/09/22 10:22:54 PM #54: |
*invades Russia in the winter* MILITARY GENIUS --- http://imgur.com/SYiqIRC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShineboxPhil 02/09/22 10:23:41 PM #55: |
nexigrams posted... *invades Russia in the winter* June = Winter --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/09/22 10:25:23 PM #56: |
ShineboxPhil posted... June = WinterDoes Russia even have not-winter? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 02/09/22 10:26:38 PM #57: |
ShineboxPhil posted... Basically not just Hitler but a large bulk of the German military brass were glorified yes men who were too scared to tell him the truth This 100% If any of you recall those Hitler react memes, the scene on the movie is basically reflecting on a time when they could no longer lie to him and had to spell out that the forces he thought he had didn't really exist. Of course that was more like a months long affair and not a single briefing like the movie suggests it was but that's essentially what happened. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ScazarMeltex 02/09/22 10:27:58 PM #58: |
Questionmarktarius posted... Does Russia even have not-winter?According to Germans who survived the war it has 3 seasons. A miserable hot Summer, mud, then a miserable cold winter followed by more mud.. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nexigrams 02/09/22 10:29:44 PM #59: |
ShineboxPhil posted... June = Winter Fine. *invades Russia late enough in the year so that winter would be problem before he could complete all his objectives* MILITARY GENIUS --- http://imgur.com/SYiqIRC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 02/09/22 10:54:22 PM #60: |
nexigrams posted... Fine.They couldn't have invaded a whole lot earlier than they did. Any earlier than about May and you have the spring rains and mud to deal with. That's a non-starter as far as offensive operations go. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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What_ 02/09/22 10:55:58 PM #61: |
I mean his point is pretty clear hes just saying that the guy would be interesting to talk to and as someone with Jewish blood I would honestly find it interesting too. has nothing to do with liking the person ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bad_Mojo 02/09/22 10:57:34 PM #62: |
Military Geniuses don't attack Russia in the winter --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShineboxPhil 02/09/22 10:58:33 PM #63: |
What_ posted... I mean his point is pretty clear hes just saying that the guy would be interesting to talk to and as someone with Jewish blood I would honestly find it interesting too. has nothing to do with liking the person He has no idea what he's talking about. Like you want to talk to a great military leader fine, but Hitler is the equivalent to the schoolyard bully who picks on the weaker kids and takes their lunch money. Then one day he goes against the kid who has self-defense training. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 02/09/22 10:58:36 PM #64: |
Fantastic. There it is for a fourth time. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShineboxPhil 02/09/22 10:59:24 PM #65: |
Bad_Mojo posted... Military Geniuses don't attack Russia in the winter Lol where does narrative keep coming from? --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 02/09/22 11:06:04 PM #66: |
As far as attacking Russia goes, Hitler basically picked the best possible time to do it. Not only was the weather as warm as it was ever going to get, basically all of Stalin's troops were over on the east fighting against the Japanese. The western front was mostly undefended. You can argue that it was stupid to attack Russia at all but it's not because of the timing. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 02/09/22 11:14:02 PM #67: |
Tyranthraxus posted... As far as attacking Russia goes, Hitler basically picked the best possible time to do it. Not only was the weather as warm as it was ever going to get, basically all of Stalin's troops were over on the east fighting against the Japanese. The western front was mostly undefended.The border conflicts between the Soviets and the Japanese had more or less resolved themselves by 1939, and the countries had signed a non-aggression pact in April of 1941. By the time of Barbarossa, the Soviets had about 20 divisions in the Far East, compared to the more than 200 that were facing Germany. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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What_ 02/09/22 11:21:22 PM #68: |
ShineboxPhil posted... He has no idea what he's talking about. well there is some ignorance there because Hitler wasnt a great military genius his actual generals were the military geniuses but he was brilliant at politics and railing up a whole nation of people to be psychopaths ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Itachi157 02/09/22 11:36:24 PM #69: |
I mean, we pretty much know why he did what he did, lol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShineboxPhil 02/09/22 11:37:56 PM #70: |
What_ posted... well there is some ignorance there because Hitler wasnt a great military genius his actual generals were the military geniuses but he was brilliant at politics and railing up a whole nation of people to be psychopaths Meh, I'd could argue a lot of his generals were just as delusional as he was and many shared his bitterness of Germany signing the armistice of 1918 and fully believing they weren't really defeated but stabbed in the back. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 02/09/22 11:38:15 PM #71: |
What_ posted... his actual generals were the military geniuses
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__aCEr__ 02/09/22 11:39:24 PM #72: |
I think around the time a celebrity gets an agent they should also get a "don't bring up Hitler/the Holocaust" guy. --- See you next Wednesday. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Robot2600 02/09/22 11:50:13 PM #73: |
__aCEr__ posted... I think around the time a celebrity gets an agent they should also get a "don't bring up Hitler/the Holocaust" guy. right? also jesus is a better answer in any context. --- I missed the part where that's my problem. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Crazyman93 02/09/22 11:50:26 PM #74: |
ShineboxPhil posted... Basically not just Hitler but a large bulk of the German military brass were glorified yes men who were too scared to tell him the truthThere's also the suspicious manner in which Albert Speer's predecessor, Fritz Todt, died in a plane crash in what is now Poland. Todt was a big opponent of even invading Russia in the first place and there are theories he may have been trying to negotiate an end to the war on the Eastern Front on his own. Speer himself was also supposed to be on that flight but was stopped by Hitler personally. Now, if Hitler's top brass were competent and he stayed out of planning the war, and they didn't invade Russia... They MIGHT have got a sizable hold on on Europe had they avoided drawing the Soviets and America in, if only because eventually the British were going to run out of money to fight the war. But I doubt it long term. The German Army and the SS spent as much time fighting partisans behind their lines as they did fighting the enemy. So "Greater Germany" was destined, most likely, to collapse into a mess not unlike how Africa looks now. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShineboxPhil 02/09/22 11:51:20 PM #75: |
Too much of the Nazi Leadership were like Hitler, ordinary infantrymen in the Kaiser's army, who had little grasp of the full scope of the war. They prolly didn't realize towards the end, Germany had next to nothing when it came to natural resources to prolong the war. Just because the allies did not fight Germany in their own territory, they believed they didn't truly lose when the war ended and thought them accepting the blame in the treaty of Versailles was shameful. Many of these esteemed generals like Guderian, Rommel, and so on were pushing for war just to erase the past of 1918. Little did they know the same issues that stalled the Kaiser with limited resource would do them in as well. The Germans just were not ready against actual countries that can actually defend themselves. Lol France. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Crazyman93 02/10/22 12:07:02 AM #76: |
ShineboxPhil posted... Too much of the Nazi Leadership were like Hitler, ordinary infantrymen in the Kaiser's army, who had little grasp of the full scope of the war.Yeah, the closest I think he had in his inner circle to someone who was a real officer was Herman Goring, and Goring only led JG I towards the end of WWI after The Red Baron died. Or did he only have Jasta 11? Doesn't matter in the long run. Running a Squadron is a lot different than running a whole air force. That had an armored land division for some stupid fucking reason. The other problem with invading Russia is that prior to fighting them, he'd faced small countries. Russia is not small, to state the obvious. And once they moved most of their factories east of the URals, well, that was it. They have a huge population, and now you can't even stop them from making weapons of war. Then you declare war on America and you have the same problem, plus a giant ocean. And you don't have any four engine bombers. Why? Because some other officers convinced Goring they were useless, a fact Goring bemoaned late in the war. If they could reach the factories it may have made a difference. But then again probably not. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EyeWontBeFooled 02/10/22 12:08:40 AM #77: |
Crazyman93 posted... "Mein Fuhrer, we've created the first jet fighter! We may be able to slow the tide of bombers the British and Americans are sending our way day and night!"Hitler was a fucking dumbest and was his own worst enemy far too often. --- You really think this is a sig you're reading? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 02/10/22 12:23:32 AM #78: |
EyeWontBeFooled posted... Hitler was a fucking dumbest and was his own worst enemy far too often. He was his own enemy real hard at the end there --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 02/10/22 2:16:53 AM #80: |
ShineboxPhil posted... The Germans just were not ready against actual countries that can actually defend themselves.I always feel like I need to toss France a bit of a bone when this subject comes up. The French army was eminently capable of conducting a defense against the Germans, it just turned out that they had set up for that defense in the wrong spot. Their plan was to dig in behind a line of rivers and canals in Belgium, which was exactly where the Germans planned to attack until Manstein altered the plan to include the armored thrust through the Ardennes. It's not like the French completely discounted the possibility of the Germans coming through in the Ardennes either. They just thought it would take the Germans longer to get through the forests, perhaps a week or more, and the expected slow speed of the advance would give them time to react. When the attack came through and the enemy had crossed the Meuse within 60 hours, the French command effectively seized up. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 02/10/22 2:19:10 AM #81: |
"Hey Hitler can you please pass the green beans?" --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blue_Inigo 02/11/22 8:36:43 PM #83: |
ShineboxPhil posted... Lol where does this narrative keep coming from?It's what they taught us in American high schools as one of the big downfalls of Germany. I'm surprised myself to see that may not be the case --- "This is your last dance." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Crazyman93 02/12/22 12:06:00 AM #84: |
Blue_Inigo posted... It's what they taught us in American high schools as one of the big downfalls of Germany. I'm surprised myself to see that may not be the caseWell, that's when American high schools aren't ignoring the fact the USSR was involved at all to better fit Cold War era propaganda. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 02/12/22 12:08:02 AM #85: |
Crazyman93 posted... Well, that's when American high schools aren't ignoring the fact the USSR was involved at all to better fit Cold War era propaganda.Everyone knows that exactly 5 events happened during WWII: Pearl Harbor, Stalingrad, D-Day, the atomic bombs, and the Holocaust. And maybe Berlin fell at some point in there, I'm not too sure. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Crazyman93 02/12/22 12:23:35 AM #86: |
UnholyMudcrab posted... Everyone knows that exactly 5 events happened during WWII: Pearl Harbor, Stalingrad, D-Day, the atomic bombs, and the Holocaust. And maybe Berlin fell at some point in there, I'm not too sure.Not true! Call of Duty taught me something or other happened at Moscow too! I think it involved using potatoes for grenade training... --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheMikh 02/12/22 12:27:01 AM #87: |
if there's any takeaway from speer's memoirs, hitler's micromanagement was like throwing a wrench in the tactical and logistical mechanisms of the german war machine he was certainly not a military genius --- http://i.imgur.com/A0TAfek.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 02/12/22 12:33:20 AM #88: |
Crazyman93 posted... Not true! Call of Duty taught me something or other happened at Moscow too! I think it involved using potatoes for grenade training...Because real grenades are valuable. In fact, they are worth a lot more than you are. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Crazyman93 02/12/22 12:33:31 AM #89: |
TheMikh posted... if there's any takeaway from speer's memoirs, hitler's micromanagement was like throwing a wrench in the tactical and logistical mechanisms of the german war machineI once read Germany had seven nuclear programs going at once because Hitler didn't want any one faction to get too powerful. One of these nuclear programs was led by the German Post office. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheMikh 02/12/22 12:50:19 AM #90: |
Crazyman93 posted... I once read Germany had seven nuclear programs going at once because Hitler didn't want any one faction to get too powerful.yeah, it seems like competing bureaucratic institutions were commonplace in the regime One of these nuclear programs was led by the German Post office.lmao --- http://i.imgur.com/A0TAfek.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShineboxPhil 02/12/22 1:40:53 AM #91: |
TheMikh posted... yeah, it seems like competing bureaucratic institutions were commonplace in the regimeHitler dismissed a lot of nuclear projects in favor of more conventional weapons mainly due to a lot of the leading scientists in the nuclear field being Jewish. He even went on record to describe the potential of a nuclear weapon as "Jewish Science" Ironically enough, it was these same Jewish Scientists that took part in the Manhattan Project that helped build the American Bombs. --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShineboxPhil 02/12/22 1:46:56 AM #92: |
UnholyMudcrab posted... Because real grenades are valuable. In fact, they are worth a lot more than you are.Throw the potatoes at the teddy bear --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DD Divine 02/12/22 2:56:31 AM #93: |
Yea lets attack Russia in the winter. Stable genius --- while driving yesterday I saw a banana peel in the road and I instinctively swerved to miss it, thanks a lot Mario Kart. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mooreandrew58 02/12/22 3:06:23 AM #94: |
I seem to recall hearing we stopped trying to assassinate him because we feared he'd be replaced by someone more competent. Anyways a dinner with Hitler would be interesting provided I'm guaranteed I walk out alive even if I offend him. I mean I'd be civil with him but I'd not simply agree with most things he'd likely say. He's basically the closest thing we've had to a Hollywood movie style villain in real life. To the point the nazis have influenced Hollywood bad guys in terms at least regarding how the bad guy militaries look and act. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 02/12/22 3:16:04 AM #95: |
DD Divine posted... Yea lets attack Russia in the winter. Stable geniusWell, if it isn't this post again --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Crazyman93 02/12/22 4:34:34 AM #96: |
mooreandrew58 posted... I seem to recall hearing we stopped trying to assassinate him because we feared he'd be replaced by someone more competent.I mean, his own generals were trying to kill him too, so there is that. And if you look at all the plots to kill Hitler, the amount of luck this bastard had to not die until he chose to kill himself rather than face an army of very angry Russians is insane. There was a bomb plot that failed to blow his plane up because it was too cold, another plot using the same bombs failed because the guy couldn't get close enough to Hitler (the suicide bomber also got very lucky surviving), another attempt that was part of the Valkaryie plot was called off because they couldn't get Himmler at the same time (they didn't want to risk a civil war with the SS). Yet ANOTHER plot was stopped by a German Officer not out of loyalty but just because he thought it was wrong to kill a man while he was eating. And then there was the bomb that actually DID detonate, but because of the placement of the bomb against a heavy table leg and the open windows, Hitler and just about everyone else in the room survived. Hitler created a special gold wound badge to commemorate living through the attempt, for himself and everyone else in the room. I also recall reading, and take this with a grain of salt, the Allied powers considered slipping Hitler female growth hormone to try and neuter the power of his voice. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 02/12/22 4:49:24 AM #97: |
This is some A grade faux controversy right here --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ShineboxPhil 02/12/22 5:42:20 AM #98: |
DD Divine posted... Yea lets attack Russia in the winter. Stable genius Lol this is getting ridiculous now --- https://imgur.com/gallery/SGyTfGm https://imgur.com/gallery/9mJroQV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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