Current Events > TEEP plays DANGANRONPA (progressive spoilers)

(+) Yeah! (+)

Yeah, I wasn't expecting them to show the outside world

What a ride. I need some time to sort out my thoughts before I drop some thots, but I absolutely had a great time

LostForest posted...

Come on Teep have more self respect that that, my man :\

It's okay, she's fictional, it doesn't count

Make sure to do a character ranking with your final thoughts. I always love seeing what everyone thinks of the cast after seeing the whole story.

teep_ posted...

...and yet, I still would <_<

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/0/2/AACSo3AAC5km.jpg

People in this topic calling Hiro the worst character when Toko is right fucking there

TMOG posted...

People in this topic calling Hiro the worst character when Toko is right fucking there

Eh, UDG makes her a better character.

I can't even comprehend the concept of thinking Fukawa is a worse character than Yasuhiro.

TMOG posted...

People in this topic calling Hiro the worst character when Toko is right fucking there

I can at least find something pitiable about Toko's backstory, but Yasuhiro just comes off as a sleazy conman. Kinda says a lot when even a nice guy like Makoto starts getting sick of Yasuhiro's bullcrap in his last Free Time Event.

I don't really care about justification and lore, Fukawa is just a better character. She has a split personality with a serial killer, is a repressed sex weirdo with a potty mouth and a stalker. All of this is utilized in essentially all cases beyond the first. Yasuhiro is just a self-absorbed, lazy asshole who makes his living in so far as he has one scamming people. His role in the main plot is to be an idiot with no further desires or endgame.

Fukawa has way more going on as a character, even if you don't like what that is. Togami is also an asshole like Yasuhiro, but he's a much more interesting asshole.

Kircheis posted...

Yasuhiro just comes off as a sleazy conman

I mean, yeah, if you ignore the stuff he actually successfully predicted.

"There won't be any more murders" after Celeste's execution; Sakura committed suicide, and Mukuro was already dead.
"We're going to have children with the same woman", and in the false ending, you see a flash-forward where both Hiro and Makoto did indeed have kids with Hina.

Him coming off as a conman also kind of made me think he could have been the killer in Chapter 2 when the motive was having your most embarrassing secret revealed. It would have been fitting for somebody who goes by "The Ultimate Clairvoyant" to be exposed as not having any clairvoyant powers at all.

Besides, just because you have genuine psychic powers, that doesn't mean you can't also be a con artist when they don't work.

And his hamburger story was A+ material.

Toko, on the other hand, I just found annoying and cringeworthy at all times. Which, I guess, was kind of the point of her character. Genocide Jill was a neat twist though and an improvement.

TMOG posted...

And his hamburger story was A+ material.

Yeah I'll give him that at least, I still look that scene up for a laugh sometimes. And to be fair (haven't played DR1 in a while so IIRC) wasn't there that one point in the story where he kind of tries to step up as a leader/morale booster? So not a completely terrible person I guess. It's mostly his last Free Time Event where I just can't stand his existence anymore. Oh and Chapter 4 I guess, he was pretty shitty there too. So was Toko/Genocide Jill to be fair, but Hiro drew first blood in that scenario so fuck 'im.

Kircheis posted...

Yeah I'll give him that at least, I still look that scene up for a laugh sometimes. And to be fair (haven't played DR1 in a while so IIRC) wasn't there that one point in the story where he kind of tries to step up as a leader/morale booster? So not a completely terrible person I guess. It's mostly his last Free Time Event where I just can't stand his existence anymore. Oh and Chapter 4 I guess, he was pretty shitty there too. So was Toko/Genocide Jill to be fair, but Hiro drew first blood in that scenario so fuck 'im.

It's kind of awful too because his School Mode ending just doubles down on that bullshit from his last FTE.

Toko really is a shit character and one of the worst in the series, and I can prove it.

Literally the only reason I originally got into DR was because I'm a fan of smelly girls and found out that one of the running jokes is that Toko smells bad and doesn't bathe much.

When I finally played it, I hated her.

I was hoping for there to be some sort of development with her character by the end where she comes around and is like "I guess I feel comfortable with you guys cuz you're my friends" but no, they chose to just ram "lulllllll the shy quiet girl is actualy a wacky serial killer omg so crayzay XD" into the ground for 15 hours.

LostForest posted...

Toko really is a shit character and one of the worst in the series, and I can prove it.

Literally the only reason I originally got into DR was because I'm a fan of smelly girls and found out that one of the running jokes is that Toko smells bad and doesn't bathe much.

When I finally played it, I hated her.

I hated her too initially, but...Ultra Despair Girls gives her some much needed character development.

Kircheis posted...

Yeah I'll give him that at least, I still look that scene up for a laugh sometimes. And to be fair (haven't played DR1 in a while so IIRC) wasn't there that one point in the story where he kind of tries to step up as a leader/morale booster? So not a completely terrible person I guess. It's mostly his last Free Time Event where I just can't stand his existence anymore. Oh and Chapter 4 I guess, he was pretty shitty there too. So was Toko/Genocide Jill to be fair, but Hiro drew first blood in that scenario so fuck 'im.

To be fair to him in Chapter 4, they HAD just been told that Sakura was the traitor and had been working for Monokuma, and then she asks to meet with Hiro in private. I'd be incredibly jumpy and suspicious in his position as well, especially when we've already seen by that point that he's prone to just panicking under pressure.

Hell yeah, love Danganronpa playthrough topics! Glad you're enjoying it.

teep_ posted...

...and yet, I still would <_<

Based.

hiro has one of the stupidest moments of the series when at the start of the trial you need to prove kyoko isn't a ghost. like, come on man

in general though I think the game gets better at handling its charaters as the series goes on. in DR1 basically the only actual characters are sakura and kyoko but by the third game there's a decent sized cast of real people

teep_ posted...

...and yet, I still would <_<

Same

kirbymuncher posted...

in general though I think the game gets better at handling its charaters as the series goes on. in DR1 basically the only actual characters are sakura and kyoko but by the third game there's a decent sized cast of real people

Yeah, i'm playing through DR2 right now and MAN what a pleasant difference in the characters. Most of them are actually likeable and quite a few actually have some development.

Just finished trial 3 and whew! Was really expecting Gundham to be the killer based on how twitchy he was being in the trial. Glad he wasn't though, since I really like him.

This game did a lot of things right. The story was engaging and the lore was satisfying while still leaving you wanting more (so what's the outside world like? what were the student lives like before the game started). It had some great characters (I'm not gonna do a ranking, but while there were some forgettable characters there weren't any bad ones. A highlight for me was Kyoko, once she'd defrosted a bit.). Monokuma and in particular Junko as antagonists were amazing, Junko may just be one of my favourite villains with how unrepentantly evil yet still charismatic and hammy she is. And Makoto is a great protagonist. Not perfect and you are forced into making a few dumb decisions, but he's just such a humble and likable guy. It feels like it's been a while since I've played as a protagonist as wholesome as him (his worst secret is that he used to wet the bad!) and I'm 100% for it.

In a word, the gameplay was... exhilarating. I've gushed about it elsewhere in the topic, but it's just so much fun. There are weak points scattered here and there, but on the whole it's a thoroughly enjoyable experience

So yeah, I had a lot of fun with this game. I will definitely play the sequel but it probably won't be soon; i sometimes have issues keeping attention and even too much of a good thing all at once is too much, if that makes sense.

Did you max out anyone's character events? Other than Sayaka.

Im surprised you like the gameplay parts so much. Its only boring and dumb to me. The story stuff I love though.

teep_ posted...

Junko may just be one of my favourite villains with how unrepentantly evil yet still charismatic and hammy she is.

Haha, yup. Some people really dislike her, and I mean, I can see why, but she's just so insane it's hilarious.

DeadBankerDream posted...

Did you max out anyone's character events? Other than Sayaka.

I don't think so, no

I might come back and do school mode at some point, though

MrNintendo1213 posted...

Im surprised you like the gameplay parts so much. Its only boring and dumb to me. The story stuff I love though.

This. The actual gameplay is the worst part of the game lol. It's like the creators were trying their hardest to separate the game from Ace Attorney, to the point that it hurts the game. The reticle-based counters is soooo clunky and the rhythm game is so random, yet every single one feels the same.
I like Hangman's Gambit, but besides that, most of the actual trials suck to do. I frequently found myself solving the mystery and knowing what happened, but not knowing what specific piece of evidence it wanted me to present at a given time to get to that point.

Like don't get me wrong. Love the games and the storytelling is top notch! But the actual game parts tend to be ass lol.

LostForest posted...

This. The actual gameplay is the worst part of the game lol. It's like the creators were trying their hardest to separate the game from Ace Attorney, to the point that it hurts the game. The reticle-based counters is soooo clunky and the rhythm game is so random, yet every single one feels the same.
I like Hangman's Gambit, but besides that, most of the actual trials suck to do. I frequently found myself solving the mystery and knowing what happened, but not knowing what specific piece of evidence it wanted me to present at a given time to get to that point.

Like don't get me wrong. Love the games and the storytelling is top notch! But the actual game parts tend to be ass lol.

What the hell actually happened that Hangman's Gambit, easily the worst trial minigame in all three iterations, is the only part of the trials that you enjoy

How can you possibly claim that Hangman's Gambit V3 is worse than Psyche Taxi. Psyche Taxi is one of the worst things humanity has ever collectively achieved the creation of.

The gameplay is great. It's not perfect in its execution and there are some things that need to be tweaked, but it's dynamic and enjoyable imo

For me, the 'worst' part was the comic at the end. Really cool in theory, in practice it could have been improved

DeadBankerDream posted...

How can you possibly claim that Hangman's Gambit V3 is worse than Psyche Taxi. Psyche Taxi is one of the worst things humanity has ever collectively achieved the creation of.

Psyche Taxi at least doesn't take five minutes to finish because the game refuses to give you the letters you actually need to spell the word. Hangman's Gambit is literally just a waste of time.

Besides, at the end of the day, it's just Logic Dive with prostitutes anyway.

The time limits are really generous though, to the point that they probably didn't need to bother putting them in

the comic and the debates are the only parts of the gameplay I really like. debates because they make the most sense to play and are just funny + stylish, the comic because it's cool seeing all the parts come together and if you actually understood what happened in the murder it's pretty simple and doesn't take too long

the later games have some pretty awful minigames, like the car driving one is just horrendous

TMOG posted...

Psyche Taxi at least doesn't take five minutes to finish because the game refuses to give you the letters you actually need to spell the word. Hangman's Gambit is literally just a waste of time.

Bro.

Psyche Taxi takes exorbitant amounts of time of my life to complete.

And it's so much worse than Logic Dive.

Yeah okay you might get some few seconds wasted waiting for a letter in Hangman. Sometimes double digit seconds. But Psyche Taxi takes minutes to finish. And it's never not awful.

kirbymuncher posted...

the comic and the debates are the only parts of the gameplay I really like. debates because they make the most sense to play and are just funny + stylish, the comic because it's cool seeing all the parts come together and if you actually understood what happened in the murder it's pretty simple and doesn't take too long

the later games have some pretty awful minigames, like the car driving one is just horrendous

If the comics had clearer images or descriptions of what a specific panel was looking for, I'd enjoy them a lot more

And I agree with you re the debates 100%. That's what I was trying to articulate, the gameplay isn't just fun but also stylish and cool

DeadBankerDream posted...

Bro.

Psyche Taxi takes exorbitant amounts of time of my life to complete.

And it's so much worse than Logic Dive.

It actually doesn't take very long if you buy skills to collect multiple cubes at once.

Look, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Psyche Taxi is good. I'm nowhere near that good a liar. But it's definitely not a worse minigame than any version of Hangman's Gambit.

Especially the second one. I really hope somebody got fired over the second game's HG.

Even with the double cube skill it still takes at least some 2 minutes to complete most Psyche Taxi segments. Even with a little wasted time in Hangman's, assuming you don't get stuck on what the keyword is you're still looking at a 30 - 60 second completion time in most cases.

And I legit like the second's game's Hangman's Gambit. One or two of the late game ones are bullshit, but conceptually and mostly it's by far the most engaging version of the minigame. Hangman in 1 and V3 are complete nothing minigames. In general 2 has by far the best minigames. The only one I dislike is the rhyhm one, which is far worse than in 1. The comic is also worse, but still good.

teep_ posted...

If the comics had clearer images or descriptions of what a specific panel was looking for, I'd enjoy them a lot more

The later games improve on this a lot and add exactly that. Every hole in the comic and every clue has a little description of what's going on.

Also I'm one of the few who liked hangmans gambit 2. It wasn't THAT complicated as long as you store letters you need later so you can knock out 3+ letters all at once. I wouldn't even say any of the mini games are bad, as I also liked logic dive and psyche taxi, although taxi was always a bit easy.

taxi just asks you like 3 y/n questions, of which they've already directly told you the answer to 2 of them and the other is immediately obvious, and somehow manages to stretch this process out to take 3 minutes

kirbymuncher posted...

taxi just asks you like 3 y/n questions, of which they've already directly told you the answer to 2 of them and the other is immediately obvious, and somehow manages to stretch this process out to take 3 minutes

Like I said, Logic Dive with prostitutes.

But logic dive feels like a fitting anime internalization of a thought proccess. The V3 MC internalizing that as a weird crazy taxi/miami vice type thing with prostitutes is fucking insane, and to me, immersion breaking.

Plus Logic Dive is way more active. You dodge obstacles and jump gaps. I guess you would call it platforming. In Psyche Taxi you just drive straight ahead in whatever lane the cubes are and very rarely make sure you're not in a lane with another car. It's dumber, it's less engaging, and it takes soooo much longer than Logic Dive.

BioShock topic: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79889748

TMOG posted...

What the hell actually happened that Hangman's Gambit, easily the worst trial minigame in all three iterations, is the only part of the trials that you enjoy

I should've mentioned I like the comic summaries too, but I didn't really classify that as part of the trials since it's the ending of all of them. But I guess it is.

Either way, Hangman's Gambit is neat because it forces you to actually think and solve one of the riddles in a fairly low-pressure situation. I guess if you play on hard mode, you don't have as much time, but I liked being able to take a moment and go "Hmm, what happened here?"

The debate sections are absolute turbo-shit since you can't skip back and forth between statements, and the reticle function is really clunky and inaccurate. Like I said, they tried SO hard to differentiate those parts from Ace Attorney, despite the fact AA basically perfected the formula by then.
The rhythm minigame is whatever. Unless you have absolutely no sense of rhythm it's basically a mindless 2 minutes of "Press Button 50x to win." DR2 sort of made it a little better, but it's still really dumb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Ah0CUMbVU

TMOG posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Ah0CUMbVU

I mean you're not wrong, but all the mini-games are like that lol. And like I said, the debate sections are nothing to write home about if you've played an Ace Attorney game. The "shoot through this statement with truth" gimmick adds nothing but frustration.

markconig posted...

The later games improve on this a lot and add exactly that. Every hole in the comic and every clue has a little description of what's going on.

1 already had that, didn't it? You just had to press the panels rather than hover over them.

Azardea posted...

1 already had that, didn't it? You just had to press the panels rather than hover over them.

mind = blown

LostForest posted...

I mean you're not wrong, but all the mini-games are like that lol. And like I said, the debate sections are nothing to write home about if you've played an Ace Attorney game. The "shoot through this statement with truth" gimmick adds nothing but frustration.

That's because Danganronpa tries to make its trials more fast-paced and hectic than Ace Attorney does. In my opinion it does a pretty good job of working around the fact that these aren't legal professionals handling the trials, but high school kids. They're gonna be screaming over each other to make their point, not undergoing a cross-examination and respecting judicial procedure.

You mean actual trials don't feature 16ish people standing in a circle trying to shoot down the arguments of everyone else with truth bullets???

teep_ posted...

You mean actual trials don't feature 16ish people standing in a circle trying to shoot down the arguments of everyone else with truth bullets???

I know, I was surprised too!

Jill carries Toko hard, but as others said Toko gets a bit better in UDG.

TMOG posted...

That's because Danganronpa tries to make its trials more fast-paced and hectic than Ace Attorney does. In my opinion it does a pretty good job of working around the fact that these aren't legal professionals handling the trials, but high school kids. They're gonna be screaming over each other to make their point, not undergoing a cross-examination and respecting judicial procedure.

Yeah, I get it. But again, it sucks lol. It's a pain in the ass to navigate through like 11 statements, skimming to see where you might want to try challenging a statement with your 5+ different truth bullets loaded. It doesn't give you time to really think about it unless you open the truth bullets menu up, and even then, the game frequently doesn't make it clear what specifically it wants you to present at a given weak point, even if you have the general idea of what the solution is.
And even then when you finally solve it, God forbid you miss the weak point with your bullet, welp, hold in that B button and wait another 30 seconds for your next chance. Hell, they didn't even give you the chance to move your reticle and fire again immediately until DR2 if you miss a statement.

Like I said, I love Danganronpa, but let's not pretend the gameplay is good. At least Hangman's Gambit does what it's supposed to do cleanly and effectively.