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SauI_Goodman
02/03/22 12:47:00 PM
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He would have been 52 in 1993.

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Tyranthraxus
02/03/22 12:51:08 PM
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No. Even if the UFC starts 40 years earlier also No. He was not a competitive fighter at any point in his life.

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Fluttershy
02/03/22 12:52:33 PM
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it wouldn't have been fair to the UFC

who would even want to watch the same guy win every time anyway

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SauI_Goodman
02/03/22 12:53:15 PM
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Yeah that kind of how i feel. I think he would have stuck to movies.

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bladegash
02/03/22 12:57:27 PM
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He bested 2 ping pong masters by himself while playing with nunchucks.

He would literally kill UFC fighters with his pinky.

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Norman_Smiley
02/03/22 12:57:48 PM
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yeah hell fight Steven Segal

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s0nicfan
02/03/22 12:58:17 PM
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He would have fought in a movie about an actual UFC fighter.

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Prestoff
02/03/22 1:02:32 PM
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Bruce Lee was all about sharing Martial Arts then he was about actually fighting. He wanted more people to get into it and kind of revolutionized it by making his own fighting style that incorporated a little bit of other styles, something taboo and not publicly known for.

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crayola555
02/03/22 1:05:26 PM
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He was a famous actor why would he fight in the ufc

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Machete
02/03/22 1:13:27 PM
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I would have liked to see him fight those guys who pretend to knock people out across the room using "energy" or some such nonsense.

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s0nicfan
02/03/22 1:16:18 PM
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Machete posted...
I would have liked to see him fight those guys who pretend to knock people out across the room using "energy" or some such nonsense.

There's a guy who did that and he was basically blacklisted by China for destroying the reputation of said "masters":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Xiaodong
Xu Xiaodong (Chinese: ; born 15 November 1979), nicknamed "Mad Dog", is a Chinese mixed martial artist (MMA) who is known for challenging and fighting fraudulent martial artists. He gained prominence online after he was filmed defeating self-proclaimed Tai chi master Wei Lei in 2017


Xu was sued in 2019 for calling tai chi Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang a fraud, and the Chinese court ordered him to pay Chen approximately US$60,000 in damages and to apologize for seven consecutive days on social media. Additionally, his social credit rating was lowered to the point where he could not rent, own property, stay in certain hotels, travel on high speed rail or buy plane tickets.[16][17] The restrictions were lifted after he paid US$40,000 in both legal fees and the cost of placing the apology.[18]

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Machete
02/03/22 1:18:21 PM
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Yikes. That's fucked up.

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FortuneCookie
02/03/22 1:26:45 PM
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Chuck Norris, who was a multiple time champion in full contact karate tournaments, said matter-of-factly that Bruce Lee would have won had they ever fought. So did pretty much anyone else who knew him. The people saying that his offense was weak or that he wasn't legit are the people who didn't know him in real life.

Would Bruce have been an unstoppable opponent in the octagon? In his weight class, sure. Do they even have a weight class for people who are 135 lb.? The thing of it is, I don't think Bruce Lee wanted to hurt people. Being the fastest gun in the west isn't the same as wanting to gun down everyone to prove it.

He had a lucrative film career. There wouldn't have been much of a point to step down to become a competitive athlete, risk injury, and make money off of hurting other people when he could put on exhibitions of his ability and still make bank without getting hurt or hurting others.

There's footage of a person challenging Bruce Lee to a fight. (Unless you want to say it's staged.) Bruce fakes a punch, then opponent takes the bait and tries to block it - leaving himself wide open to a tremendous kick to the midsection. Bruce never throws the kick. It's enough to know that he had that guy beat. That's the kind of guy I think Bruce was. He wasn't going to kick you in the stomach or punch you in the face just to prove that he could.
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eston
02/03/22 1:27:49 PM
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It wouldn't have made any sense for him to

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bladegash
02/03/22 1:29:40 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Chuck Norris, who was a multiple time champion in full contact karate tournaments, said matter-of-factly that Bruce Lee would have won had they ever fought. So did pretty much anyone else who knew him. The people saying that his offense was weak or that he wasn't legit are the people who didn't know him in real life.

Would Bruce have been an unstoppable opponent in the octagon? In his weight class, sure. Do they even have a weight class for people who are 135 lb.? The thing of it is, I don't think Bruce Lee wanted to hurt people. Being the fastest gun in the west isn't the same as wanting to gun down everyone to prove it.

He had a lucrative film career. There wouldn't have been much of a point to step down to become a competitive athlete, risk injury, and make money off of hurting other people when he could put on exhibitions of his ability and still make bank without getting hurt or hurting others.

There's footage of a person challenging Bruce Lee to a fight. (Unless you want to say it's staged.) Bruce fakes a punch, then opponent takes the bait and tries to block it - leaving himself wide open to a tremendous kick to the midsection. Bruce never throws the kick. It's enough to know that he had that guy beat. That's the kind of guy I think Bruce was. He wasn't going to kick you in the stomach or punch you in the face just to prove that he could.

135 is bantamweight max/featherweight minimum. Max holloway would starch Bruce lee easy.

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s0nicfan
02/03/22 1:30:47 PM
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Machete posted...
Yikes. That's fucked up.

You can still find the "fight" online. It's as one-sided as you're imagining. The fight begins at around 1:20, the first punch is thrown at around 1:35, and ends around 1:40.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNX6GsUI1o

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Pogo_Marimo
02/03/22 1:32:12 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No. Even if the UFC starts 40 years earlier also No. He was not a competitive fighter at any point in his life.


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Pogo_Marimo
02/03/22 1:33:59 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Chuck Norris, who was a multiple time champion in full contact karate tournaments, said matter-of-factly that Bruce Lee would have won had they ever fought. So did pretty much anyone else who knew him. The people saying that his offense was weak or that he wasn't legit are the people who didn't know him in real life.

Would Bruce have been an unstoppable opponent in the octagon? In his weight class, sure. Do they even have a weight class for people who are 135 lb.? The thing of it is, I don't think Bruce Lee wanted to hurt people. Being the fastest gun in the west isn't the same as wanting to gun down everyone to prove it.

He had a lucrative film career. There wouldn't have been much of a point to step down to become a competitive athlete, risk injury, and make money off of hurting other people when he could put on exhibitions of his ability and still make bank without getting hurt or hurting others.

There's footage of a person challenging Bruce Lee to a fight. (Unless you want to say it's staged.) Bruce fakes a punch, then opponent takes the bait and tries to block it - leaving himself wide open to a tremendous kick to the midsection. Bruce never throws the kick. It's enough to know that he had that guy beat. That's the kind of guy I think Bruce was. He wasn't going to kick you in the stomach or punch you in the face just to prove that he could.
Lmao you know nothing about Bruce Lee or martial arts.

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Tyranthraxus
02/03/22 1:36:02 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Xu was sued in 2019 for calling tai chi Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang a fraud, and the Chinese court ordered him to pay Chen approximately US$60,000 in damages and to apologize for seven consecutive days on social media. Additionally, his social credit rating was lowered to the point where he could not rent, own property, stay in certain hotels, travel on high speed rail or buy plane tickets.

Funny story about this. The Chinese government allowed the challenge to happen provided that he wore clown makeup so people couldn't recognize him and had to fight under a fake name. The "chi master" accepted the challenge because he figured that without being able to rent, stay in hotels, fly, take trains, and constant threats to his safety he'd never actually get there to fight.

Well he did after traveling by himself for 36 hours and then proceeded to beat the shit out of that guy.

He's still doing stuff like this afaik but he's been heavily censored so basically nobody in China is hearing about it.

From his perspective however even if the only people who hear about this are the students being defrauded that's worth it to him. He's a truly good guy and super dedicated to a good cause despite the adversity.


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moh82sy
02/03/22 1:36:16 PM
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WWE would've been a better fit for his ridiculous theatrics.

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ScazarMeltex
02/03/22 1:37:21 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No. Even if the UFC starts 40 years earlier also No. He was not a competitive fighter at any point in his life.
Not competitively but he did do some fighting in Hong Kong's rooftop fighting scene. It was one of the things that led him away from traditional martial arts and into creating his own hybrid thing.

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gamer167
02/03/22 1:40:50 PM
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Hopefully not.

Take prime Bruce and put him in the UFC 1 tournament and he would have gotten squished like a bug. There were some big boys fighting back in the day.

Not to mention most of them had backgrounds in more practical martial arts and had actual experience in boxing/kickboxing/wrestling/BJJ/etc.
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SSJGrimReaper
02/03/22 1:56:01 PM
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Bruce Lee seems like the type to try it and lose and then never do it again

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Tyranthraxus
02/03/22 2:00:38 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Not competitively but he did do some fighting in Hong Kong's rooftop fighting scene. It was one of the things that led him away from traditional martial arts and into creating his own hybrid thing.

I am not sure how he would do competitively on that level if he did fight. I'm more or less just saying he had plenty of opportunities to compete as a career and chose movies and teaching instead.

Same deal with Jackie Chan. You can tell from the non movie stuff he done that he's got real skills but he's never competed.

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FortuneCookie
02/03/22 2:31:33 PM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
Lmao you know nothing about Bruce Lee or martial arts.

Well, you sure showed me. That was a long post to read, but your detailed breakdown of why he wasn't who his peers said he was was truly riveting.
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Pogo_Marimo
02/04/22 10:20:28 AM
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No, you don't understand me. I don't know much about Bruce either, although it's probably far more than you.

YOU don't know who "Bruce Lee" is because 99.9999% of people on this planet don't know who he is. The only people who do are his close friends and family, to whatever extent that was possible. You know Bruce Lee the performer. When you are someone like Bruce Lee who is selling a way of life, if there is a camera around you you are performing. Your speculation about who he really was is nearly baseless.

What I can tell you, as someone who practiced MMA when I was younger, is that shit like "Full Contact Karate Tournaments" is the little leagues compared to MMA. At best it's a foundation to build upon for several years before you're a competent MMA practitioner. Everybody thought that Bruce Lee could beat Norris in a fight? Who gives a shit. Any decent wrestler from the 90s would dump either of them on their face and rip their guts out through their asshole--And there's hundreds of them. Bruce Lee was not a fighter. Chuck Norris was not a fighter. They were fitness celebrities who "played" at fighting. If you love competitive karate that's really cool, full respect, but you're not training for a real fight. You're training for competitive karate.

Hard, competitive training for actual no-holds-barred fighting is so vastly different than anything Bruce did by his own accounts, so much so that the only people who push these silly narratives are people who have no idea what it's like to actual get in a ring and spar for 5 rounds with everything allowed.

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Kuuko
02/04/22 10:28:42 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Funny story about this. The Chinese government allowed the challenge to happen provided that he wore clown makeup so people couldn't recognize him and had to fight under a fake name. The "chi master" accepted the challenge because he figured that without being able to rent, stay in hotels, fly, take trains, and constant threats to his safety he'd never actually get there to fight.

Well he did after traveling by himself for 36 hours and then proceeded to beat the shit out of that guy.

He's still doing stuff like this afaik but he's been heavily censored so basically nobody in China is hearing about it.

From his perspective however even if the only people who hear about this are the students being defrauded that's worth it to him. He's a truly good guy and super dedicated to a good cause despite the adversity.
Not sure when his most recent fight was but he does frequently upload videos on youtube, which he has to send to record and send to someone outside of China to upload obviously. He talks about lots of random topics other than his fights and censorship
https://www.youtube.com/c/%E5%BE%90%E6%99%93%E5%86%AC%E5%8C%97%E4%BA%AC%E6%A0%BC%E6%96%97%E7%8B%82%E4%BA%BA

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h23456bca
02/04/22 10:32:26 AM
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He wouldve got destroyed by most current UFC fighters. Lee may be a better striker than most but if a grappler or wrestler or jujitsu guy tot al
hold of him itd be over. Probably wouldve stuck to movies just like other martial artist actors. UFC could really fuck your career up.

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SauI_Goodman
02/04/22 10:46:47 AM
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Guys remember there was no weight classes back then. And there were no rules. No gloves. Other than royce gracie and dan severn and remko pardo most guys were strikers. Bruce lee was familiar with grappling if you watch his movies he knew what an arm bar was. He knew what a kneebar was. He knew what a rear naked choke was. He knew what a guillotine was. Long before the masses did. He may have done better than you think. But still i think he sticks to movies. Doesnt take away from him being a martial artist. Tons of guys are legit and dont compete.

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accord
02/04/22 10:49:27 AM
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he would destroy all of the ufc fighters at the same time in the ufc movie
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bladegash
02/04/22 11:09:45 AM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
Guys remember there was no weight classes back then. And there were no rules. No gloves. Other than royce gracie and dan severn and remko pardo most guys were strikers. Bruce lee was familiar with grappling if you watch his movies he knew what an arm bar was. He knew what a kneebar was. He knew what a rear naked choke was. He knew what a guillotine was. Long before the masses did. He may have done better than you think. But still i think he sticks to movies. Doesnt take away from him being a martial artist. Tons of guys are legit and dont compete.

Yea if there were weight classes way back then, he definitely could be on the UFC roster. And he could definitely get some wins. And there are a few great karate based fighters, Wonderboy and Lyoto Machida for example.

There's just a huge disparity in talent from the top 5 and bottom ranked fighters in the UFC weight classes today. Doubt he ever beats a ranked fighter if the UFC was structured and developed like todays UFC, back when he was alive. He would stick to movies bc thats where the money and the recognition are.

I only jest at those that think he was a god amongst mere mortals.

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FortuneCookie
02/05/22 12:05:34 AM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
Chuck Norris was not a fighter.

Yeah, I stopped reading there. You might as well say that Muhammad Ali was not a fighter. He's just a guy who uses gloves for a shield.
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Pogo_Marimo
02/05/22 12:29:55 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Yeah, I stopped reading there. You might as well say that Muhammad Ali was not a fighter. He's just a guy who uses gloves for a shield.
Ali is not a fighter, he's a boxer. There's a reason why professional boxers either got completely clowned in the early UFC or avoided it like the plague. If you train for boxing you can become a phenomenal boxer, which is great. If you fight someone who's athletic and had a strong high school wrestling career they'll probably still just dump your ass on the ground and slap the shit out of you. So much for all your boxing skill.

In the same respect, a professional MMA fighter is not a boxer just because they've trained their striking for a while. Watch the Paul brothers starch former MMA fighters in some absolutely putrid fights. They're different sports. That's just how it is. Boxers aren't fighters. Karateka aren't fighters. In the same respect, if Ngannou fights a top-level Boxer he's going to get his nose pushed in. I don't know how many times this has had to play out over the history of modern MMA for people to get it.

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Guide
02/06/22 9:58:37 AM
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Lee had strong interest in fighting efficiently and effectively, not sticking to any particular moveset for the sake of doctrine, so I believe he would've been interested in the UFC. And then he would've gotten really invested in the Gracies.

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Pogo_Marimo
02/06/22 12:33:55 PM
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Guide posted...
Lee had strong interest in fighting efficiently and effectively, not sticking to any particular moveset for the sake of doctrine, so I believe he would've been interested in the UFC. And then he would've gotten really invested in the Gracies.
No, he wouldn't have. Bruce Lee knew almost nothing about grappling despite having every opportunity to learn from skilled Judoka and Catch Wrestlers in his time. If you go watch "grappling" compilations from his movies, as a matter of fact, there are some legitimately asinine stuff he does despite supposedly championing "efficiency" and "simplicity" and "combat realism". Bruce didn't give a shit about mastering grappling, he only invested enough tine into it to learn how to do a few techniques poorly so he looked, to casual viewers, like he had a great knowledge about fighting in general.

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SauI_Goodman
02/06/22 1:19:17 PM
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Yah in regards to the arm bar he bit his opponent. I was just saying he knew what an arm bar was. He wouldnt be allowed to use that to get out of an arm bar. Well i guess he could in the early days ufc since thenonly rule was no fish hooking. but he would probably just get his arm broken if he doesnt tap.

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02/06/22 5:03:16 PM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
No, he wouldn't have. Bruce Lee knew almost nothing about grappling despite having every opportunity to learn from skilled Judoka and Catch Wrestlers in his time. If you go watch "grappling" compilations from his movies, as a matter of fact, there are some legitimately asinine stuff he does despite supposedly championing "efficiency" and "simplicity" and "combat realism". Bruce didn't give a shit about mastering grappling, he only invested enough time into it to learn how to do a few techniques poorly so he looked, to casual viewers, like he had a great knowledge about fighting in general.

No one gave a shit about BJJ until Gracies started dominating, is the thing.

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Pogo_Marimo
02/07/22 12:33:39 AM
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Guide posted...
No one gave a shit about BJJ until Gracies started dominating, is the thing.
Did I say BJJ? Do you think The Gracies invented grappling?

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Ivany2008
02/07/22 12:45:04 AM
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....Chuck Norris was not a fighter.... I've heard some really bad takes the past couple weeks, but this might be the worse. He has multiple black belts in martial arts, many of which are in the mid range. Do you have any fucking clue how long it takes to get your 5th Dan Black Belt in TaeKwon Do? I'll give you some information since I have my 2nd Dan Black Belt in TKD. It took me close to 9 years to get my 2nd Dan. After that it increases by a year every time. So add an extra 12 years on to that. He happens to be an 8th Dan Black Belt. So doing the math..... about 41 years. Not to mention that there are so little 9th Dan Black Belts in the world its ridiculously difficult to obtain. So few masters train that level as well. Hell, my master was 6th Dan, in order for him to get trained past that, he would have to leave the country for 7 years to qualify FOR TESTING, not even a guarantee that he would get it.
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Pogo_Marimo
02/07/22 1:42:38 AM
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Yeah, and how much of Chuck's training and competition from that era involves actually fighting? Not "Ah, we exchanged punches. Let's see who the ref rewards a point to then restart." Not, "Oops, I fell over. Let me stand back up and we'll resume our sparring". How much of Chuck's training involves a 200lb wrestler smooshing your face into the ground with his elbow until you think you'll pass out from the pressure alone? How much of Chuck's training involves getting knee'd in the the guts, falling over in pain, then fending off your attacker while they creatively try to combine the back of your head with the ground? How much of it is dirty punching, neck cranks, body slams, foot stomps, and oil checks?

Or is it mostly just, "Ah, you landed a hit on me. Let's reset and try again". Because that's not a fight. If that's mostly what he's been practicing and competing in, then he's not a fighter. The reason that Gracie was able to adapt grappling into a effective self-defense tool and, by extension, an extremely effective martial arts is not because they were smarter or more talented than everyone else. It's because the Gracies were the only ones who changed their teaching styles and techniques on a daily basis based on "How hard did that dude at the Vale Tudo club stomp on my head yesterday when I tried this".

I should also clarify, when talking about Chuck, I'm directly talking about the period where he and Bruce were close. Chuck would later go on to learn BJJ and become a black belt after Rickson beat him with no hassle whatsoever. It's even likely that later in his life he extensively practiced full contact sparring with stand up, wrestling, and ground grappling combined. Actual fighting. If he spent a lot of time pursuing this, then he may just be a real fighter in his later years.

If you spent 9 years training TKD to become a fighter, nowadays, but you can't defend a double leg takedown in your sleep, then you are probably not a fighter. You're a TKD practitioner. Probably a very good one too.

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Ivany2008
02/07/22 7:59:12 AM
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I punched a kid in middle school because he was trying to steal my coke.... does that make me a fighter?
I had an argument with my mom in 10th grade... does that make me a fighter?

Also when the fuck.... would there be a double leg takedown in a TKD competition? or even a general fighting competition outside of mma? Christ if someone attempted to do that to me in real life I'd say fuck it and pick them up for a power bomb.
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bladegash
02/07/22 8:11:22 AM
#43:


Ivany2008 posted...
Christ if someone attempted to do that to me in real life I'd say fuck it and pick them up for a power bomb.

Extremely press (x) to doubt

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Ivany2008
02/07/22 8:17:12 AM
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bladegash posted...
Extremely press (x) to doubt

I'm close to 300 lbs my guy, and I have a wrestling background. No one is getting me down for a double leg takedown. Plus if his body is in that prone position, he has no way to block it from happening.
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pinky0926
02/07/22 8:19:44 AM
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Bruce Lee was a 143lb shrimp with no professional fighting experience who made martial arts look cool as fuck on the big screen

There's no reason to believe he would have been a top fighter in his own weight class, let alone defeating super heavy weights.

That said, he should be credited as an inspiration for the sport of MMA

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bladegash
02/07/22 8:28:55 AM
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Ivany2008 posted...
I'm close to 300 lbs my guy, and I have a wrestling background. No one is getting me down for a double leg takedown. Plus if his body is in that prone position, he has no way to block it from happening.

I can tell from the words used that this is a lie. And it wouldn't matter if you were 500 lbs, physics still wins

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Ivany2008
02/07/22 8:38:18 AM
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bladegash posted...
I can tell from the words used that this is a lie. And it wouldn't matter if you were 500 lbs, physics still wins

I mean... I can show you a picture, I'd prefer not to as anonymity is kind of a big thing with me. I'm very blocky. I'm kind of like a less in shape Otis from WWE. I have that big chest, sadly a bit of a saggy gut which I can't do anything about right now as I had major surgery a couple months ago, so I'm not allowed to go back to heavy weight training for at least another couple months.. Side note, physics only works if your able to pull that much weight. A guy who is 500 lbs has at least 400 of those lbs pushing downward giving some stability, that said, they tire out more, and if you can get them down they are down for the count.
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bladegash
02/07/22 9:55:49 AM
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Ivany2008 posted...
physics only works if your able to pull that much weight. A guy who is 500 lbs has at least 400 of those lbs pushing downward giving some stability, that said, they tire out more, and if you can get them down they are down for the count.

This is how I know you never, ever, ever wrestled.

...bc thats not how physics, specifically leverage, works... Emmanuel Yarborough, for instance, was a 700 lb sumo wrestler. He can be, and was, taken down.

You arent staying standing when you have 200+ lbs of mass spearing your knees at whatever speed they shoot at while lacking the ability to backpedal, doesnt matter how much you weigh.

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Ivany2008
02/07/22 10:59:03 AM
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bladegash posted...
This is how I know you never, ever, ever wrestled.

...bc thats not how physics, specifically leverage, works... Emmanuel Yarborough, for instance, was a 700 lb sumo wrestler. He can be, and was, taken down.

You arent staying standing when you have 200+ lbs of mass spearing your knees at whatever speed they shoot at while lacking the ability to backpedal, doesnt matter how much you weigh.

You really should have used a better example.....

Emmanuel Yarborough admitted to it himself that he would never eat Chakonabe and that he got fat through American Take Out like Mcdonalds and Burger King; and that he didn't want to compete in professional sumo because he would in his words "be a bitch to the older sumos". He said all this on Conan a couple years ago. The guy is a poor example of sumo wrestling and he ended up passing away because of a heart attack at 51. He was nearly all visceral fat with little to no muscle on him, hence why he couldn't compete in league sumo. Traditional Sumos like Taiho, for example, have subcutaneous fat which is actually extremely healthy, and to that point, many sumo are actually mostly muscle.
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bladegash
02/07/22 11:33:27 AM
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700 lbs is 700 lbs.

Point being if you claim to be 300 lbs and can tank a double leg takedown without sprawling and claim your bodyweight for holding you still, then a 700+ lb man should be an immovable object and not be taken down by someone less than half their bodyweight, in shape or not.

I mean Its pretty obvious a 700 lb man is not in shape. You want me to list all the in shape heavyweights that cant eat a double leg? All of them. You have to sprawl or roll, or stuff them before they latch on. That's all there is to it.

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