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HairyQueen
01/29/22 3:56:36 AM
#101:


Zeeak4444 posted...
so just to be clear here you think 600-1400 is a worse trade off than tax payers subsidizing a child after birth?

whew lad, no one said conservatives were thinkers but damn.
Base on that user's posts, it doesn't surprise me at all that they admit to watching Alex Jones.

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Shablagoo
01/29/22 3:57:59 AM
#102:


_HayleyWilliams posted...
People believing bullshit is fine, but being okay with people doing things in the name of the bullshit shouldn't be acceptable. I used to be under the impression that was a pretty normal thought process. But now someone could kick the shit out of you because someone they listen to on the Internet told them they should and the goddamn world will celebrate this "free speech".

"I don't believe punching someone in the face will hurt them."

"My religion believes in face punching".

"Not punching people is exactly what the politicians in power want me to do. That's how I knew your face definitely needed punching."

"Face punching cures lupus, but that's not a fact you'll hear from most Big Pharma doctors."

Ok, but did they intend to punch me in the face?? Checkmate.

Riev posted...
no one has ever heard of neil young or joni mitchell so who cares

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Solid Snake07
01/29/22 4:00:00 AM
#103:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/8/9/AAD3UBAAC3M1.jpg

Lol

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GF_Sybb
01/29/22 4:12:53 AM
#105:


HairyQueen posted...
Since you mentioned it, you can provide a specific example of what you're talking about. Also, I don't see how this is comparable to COVID or vaccine misinfo. One of these kills and the other gets an eyeroll.

Now that so many people have fallen for anti-vax rhetoric and didn't get vaxxed, we have new mutations that get exponentially more contagious. Don't forget about all the kids whose parents get radicalized against vaccines too.

Again, I don't believe that "dumb people" deserve to have their lives ruined. You seem really fixated on this idea that these people are "dumb" and therefore they are at fault and not the person/group who is deceiving them. Your characterization of a person who is swayed by misinformation is extremely narrow and flawed. Everyone is influenced by the media they consume without knowing it, but they tend to think they're not.

The third-person effect hypothesis predicts that people tend to perceive that mass media messages have a greater effect on others than on themselves, based on personal biases. The third-person effect manifests itself through an individual's overestimation of the effect of a mass communicated message on the generalized other, or an underestimation of the effect of a mass communicated message on themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_effect
This is in my native language Swedish (as I don't read American news for obvious reasons), use Google translation:
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/man-och-kvinnor

That article gives Gina Rippon a platform to present her anti science theories about the male and female brain being the same. If I had time, I could look up more, but believe me: there have been LOTS of these articles in th past ten years.

Misinformation is misinformation. The policy should be based on what it is, not what it can cause. Otherwise you can start some serious cherry picking.

Being influenced is one thing, letting media affect my decision is another thing. And yes, I stand by that dumb people will always fail at life. That's their problem, not mine. I think you have a more left leaning, collectivistic approach to this matter.

Also, please never use Wikipedia as a source as even the founder himself said he was sorry to see the platform being taken over by the left.

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Guide
01/29/22 4:15:19 AM
#106:


Zeeak4444 posted...
so just to be clear here you think 600-1400 is a worse trade off than tax payers subsidizing a child after birth?

whew lad, no one said conservatives were thinkers but damn.

Yeah, this was an immediate consideration. Abortion is easily the cheapest option.

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GF_Sybb
01/29/22 4:18:10 AM
#107:


Zeeak4444 posted...
so just to be clear here you think 600-1400 is a worse trade off than tax payers subsidizing a child after birth?

whew lad, no one said conservatives were thinkers but damn.
Just to be clear, I think irresponsible couples should pay for their own abortions. I don't want to shell out money because people don't take responsibility for their sex.

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Guide
01/29/22 4:18:43 AM
#108:


GF_Sybb posted...
That is far from the only reason. We know from studies of covid-19 that obesity and overweightness increases risk of being sent to hospital (for covid-19) by around 50%. That is also a large reason why the US has been hit by covid-19 particularly hard. Fat people have worse immune systems.

What is the current vaccination rate in the US?

No one said it was the only reason. Why do you so immediately hop on a tangent when your point is shut down?

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GF_Sybb
01/29/22 4:19:54 AM
#109:


Guide posted...
No one said it was the only reason. Why do you so immediately hop on a tangent when your point is shut down?
Because my point wasn't shut down and you sir, are very aggressive. Calm down.

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Zeeak4444
01/29/22 4:21:36 AM
#110:


GF_Sybb posted...
Just to be clear, I think irresponsible couples should pay for their own abortions. I don't want to shell out money because people don't take responsibility for their sex.

And when they cant, so they dont, then what? Bodies in the streets?

Whats the realistic approach you have when that idealism doesnt pan out?

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HairyQueen
01/29/22 4:21:58 AM
#111:


GF_Sybb posted...
Misinformation is misinformation. The policy should be based on what it is, not what it can cause. Otherwise you can start some serious cherry picking.
No it's not all equally harmful. The problem is that it's harmful, not necessarily just that it's untrue.
Joe Rogan could be platforming guests that repeatedly lie about Michelle Obama's favorite flavor of soda. That would still be misinformation, but it's benign. It sounds like you have a fundamental misunderstanding about what the problem is here.

GF_Sybb posted...
And yes, I stand by that dumb people will always fail at life. That's their problem, not mine.
Then we have a difference in values. I care about people.

GF_Sybb posted...
Also, please never use Wikipedia as a source
Dude, follow the citations.

GF_Sybb posted...
taken over by the left
lmao

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GF_Sybb
01/29/22 4:25:54 AM
#112:


HairyQueen posted...
No it's not all equally harmful. The problem is that it's harmful, not necessarily just that it's untrue.
Joe Rogan could be platforming guests that repeatedly lie about Michelle Obama's favorite flavor of soda. That would still be misinformation, but it's benign. It sounds like you have a fundamental misunderstanding about what the problem is here.

Then we have a difference in values. I care about people.

Dude, follow the citations.

lmao
I have a fundemental minsunderstanding because you want to define it by effect, and I want to define it by what is being said? OK.

Yes, we have different values. I value self thinking and independency. I don't want to be dragged down by dumb people, or give them a lot of tax money because they can't take care of themselves.

Link directly to the sources instead.

Do you laugh that off? It's well known that definitions are made by the left, and certain information are being kept away about certain people. For example, the use of left and right wing extremism, where left wing extremism is very sparsly used (the demonstrations were mostly peaceful, lol) and right wing extremism is overused.

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Guide
01/29/22 4:27:28 AM
#113:


GF_Sybb posted...
Because my point wasn't shut down and you sir, are very aggressive. Calm down.
It was, though. You just dropped it entirely. Feel free to prove me wrong.

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HairyQueen
01/29/22 4:30:09 AM
#114:


GF_Sybb posted...
I have a fundemental minsunderstanding
Correct.
The problem is the harm caused by misinformation.

GF_Sybb posted...
Link directly to the sources instead.
Nah

GF_Sybb posted...
Do you laugh that off?
No, I'm laughing at you now.

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Shablagoo
01/29/22 4:38:10 AM
#115:


Zeeak4444 posted...
Whats the realistic approach you have when that idealism doesnt pan out?

They dont have one.

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WorsCaseOntario
01/29/22 4:38:45 AM
#116:


who the hell are these nobodies

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RetroGamer9
01/29/22 4:43:44 AM
#117:


At least we heard of Neil Young.
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Looked gf
01/29/22 5:00:13 AM
#118:


Zeeak4444 posted...
so just to be clear here you think 600-1400 is a worse trade off than tax payers subsidizing a child after birth?

whew lad, no one said conservatives were thinkers but damn.
Lmaoo

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Smashingpmkns
01/29/22 5:11:11 AM
#119:


https://twitter.com/JamesBlunt/status/1487364023003844610

Lol

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CrimsonWaffle
01/29/22 5:22:00 AM
#120:


Shotgunnova posted...
Hey, Joni, put it all behind you!

Forget the future, these times are such a mess!

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BobanMarjanovic
01/29/22 5:28:04 AM
#121:


I listened to 3 episodes of JRE on Spotify yesterday and they were great.

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JoeySlasherVSPS
01/29/22 5:53:39 AM
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Reading this news in an open parking lot.

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OmniChris
01/29/22 6:46:14 AM
#123:


Good riddance, another talentless hack that is no longer clogging up my Spotify account. There will be only great music once all the woke trash leaves.
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AngelicRadiance
01/29/22 6:47:53 AM
#124:


Good, fuck Joe Rogan

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TheoryzC
01/29/22 6:58:40 AM
#125:


OmniChris posted...
Good riddance, another talentless hack that is no longer clogging up my Spotify account. There will be only great music once all the woke trash leaves.


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Cuticrusader09
01/29/22 7:06:49 AM
#126:


I mean most people that like her music are from the era where you would own a copy of it. So they have the vinyl, tape or CDs to listen to.

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ZevLoveDOOM
01/29/22 7:07:15 AM
#127:


i do wish this stupid meathead and his podcast would fuck off for good so i dont have to hear about it anymore...
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Questionmarktarius
01/29/22 7:08:02 AM
#128:


If you really want to listen to Neil Young or Joni Mitchel, you can easily borrow CDs from your dad or LPs from your grandpa. Maybe even an 8-track tape or two. 70s musicians you already heard to death aren't really big influencers on streaming outlets.

Thompson posted...
Imagine if all Canadian artists said it's either them or Rogan.
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Gucci_Josh
01/29/22 7:15:07 AM
#129:


ZevLoveDOOM posted...
i do wish this stupid meathead and his podcast would fuck off for good so i dont have to hear about it anymore...


He's not really the reason you are hearing about it though.

Joe Rogan seems to be of the mind of "If you don't like my show, don't listen, that's fine."

I think he even has a policy against advertising his show. IIRC
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Guide
01/29/22 7:41:02 AM
#130:


Gucci_Josh posted...
He's not really the reason you are hearing about it though.

Joe Rogan seems to be of the mind of "If you don't like my show, don't listen, that's fine."

I think he even has a policy against advertising his show. IIRC

The show existing is why it gets talked about, tho

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uwnim
01/29/22 7:45:15 AM
#131:


Guide posted...
The show existing is why it gets talked about, tho
If it gets talked about a lot, that just indicates it is popular. Most things that exist get very, very little discussion.

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_HayleyWilliams
01/29/22 8:04:31 AM
#132:


GF_Sybb posted...
That exact same thing also goes for abortions, but I never hear left wing feminists talking about the fact that every single abortion doesn't just affect themselves, but also the tax payers as every abortion costs between 600 and 1,400 USD (where I live) of tax money.

So once again, I see much hypocrisy from the left. For example, where I live, some vaccine sceptic people use the feminist slogan "my body, my choice". Feminists are then real quick to point out that it's not just about their own bodies, without realizing abortions do not just affect themselves, either.
When the world's population lives inside someone's body, maybe "my body, my choice" will be the hypocritical gotcha you think it is. Someone walking into my room and shooting me to death would be murdering me and violating my autonomy. But if I somehow was connected to another person and lived off their body, them disconnecting me would be their body, their choice. And "doesn't taxation violate bodily autonomy" argument is neither cute nor intelligent. Are you against any taxes or collectivist action in society, or are you being hypocritical while accusing others of hypocrisy?

Solid Snake07 posted...
I legitimately don't believe you don't honestly see the difference between directly targeting an individual and their personal safety and questioning scientific or medicinal consensus. So it seems really disingenuous that you keep reverting back to this.
Pushing harmful lies is pushing harmful lies. This gaslighting bullshit people do of "We're just questioning consensus" is so tiresome. I cannot believe how quickly society stopped believing that objective reality existed. People actually believe facts are whatever you choose to believe. It's sickening and frustrating and I refuse to be gaslit into accepting this clown world.

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, only what is. I miss when we publicly mocked conspiracy theorists and when loudly and openly rejecting the truth got someone labelled a fool. Perhaps both sides do hold some responsibility since clearly the lefty snowflake "everyone wins" mentality has rubbed off on a lot of people.

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Cuticrusader09
01/29/22 8:07:38 AM
#133:


Questionmarktarius posted...
If you really want to listen to Neil Young or Joni Mitchel, you can easily borrow CDs from your dad or LPs from your grandpa. Maybe even an 8-track tape or two. 70s musicians you already heard to death aren't really big influencers on streaming outlets.



They are also the people who made lots of money with how the music industry used to be. Artists nowadays dont get the same kind of money so they really cant afford to pull their music.

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BilalPowell
01/29/22 8:13:19 AM
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Maybe someone with an audience under 70 should try this

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DocDelicious
01/29/22 8:19:40 AM
#136:


Thompson posted...
Imagine if all Canadian artists said it's either them or Rogan.

Spotify would choose Rogan.

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MedeaLysistrata
01/29/22 8:22:01 AM
#137:


Probably just wait til it affects me specifically

I DO NOT understand this at all

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Veggeta_MAX
01/29/22 8:25:57 AM
#139:


Joe Rogan is the epitome of 'bro science"

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mustachedmystic
01/29/22 8:27:44 AM
#140:


Rathinor posted...
Isn't it bad that Rogan is getting people who have trouble tying their shoes (his main audience) killed?
Idiots make more babies den smart people(and do it at a younger age). Spotify will be fine.

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Veggeta_MAX
01/29/22 8:29:50 AM
#141:


Spotify chose money over spreading lies. This is something Shab and Wings should be fighting for instead of antiwork and land lords.

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masterbarf
01/29/22 8:31:05 AM
#142:


This website discusses Rogan a lot. What types of stuff does he say? Is it just misinformation about COVID and vaccines? I haven't heard a word from him since The Man Show.


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IMNOTRAGED
01/29/22 8:47:37 AM
#143:


masterbarf posted...
This website discusses Rogan a lot. What types of stuff does he say? Is it just misinformation about COVID and vaccines? I haven't heard a word from him since The Man Show.

Mostly covid stuff recently. In the past he's had people like Stephon Molyneux and Alex Jones on to soft pitch their white supremacist bullshit

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Jagr_68
01/29/22 10:11:05 AM
#144:


Talk to me about cancelling when New Order and Jamiroquai are removed from the service. Then I might seriously take action with my money.

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Feline_Heart
01/29/22 10:14:20 AM
#145:


GF_Sybb posted...
The same people who speak proud and loud about tolerance are the most intolerant people on of them all. Maybe if left wing people got a shot of their own medicine, they would understand.
Get a life lol

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Gucci_Josh
01/30/22 3:19:16 PM
#146:


masterbarf posted...
This website discusses Rogan a lot. What types of stuff does he say? Is it just misinformation about COVID and vaccines? I haven't heard a word from him since The Man Show.



Is honestly more his guests that say the crazy shit. His most extreme take that he seems to argue is that he doesn't think kids or young healthy people should necessarily get the COVID vaccine unless they have comorbidities.

You can look at Joe's twitter to get a gist of his outlook, for example Joe just retweeted this:
https://twitter.com/PeterAttiaMD/status/1485243835517075458

Joe seems very against mandates, seems to suggest the vaccines are potentially more dangerous than the modern consensus says they are, definitely hosts guests who make that argument.

If you want to see a good synopsis of how Joe disagrees with the more mainstream COVID/vaccine narrative, I'd watch his interview with Sanjay Gupta.
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