Current Events > MGS2 came out 21 years ago

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And people still refuse to admit its a top 3 narrative in gaming.

Kids these days who think TLOU2 is "brilliant" never played MGS2

OudeGeuze posted...

And people still refuse to admit its a top 3 narrative in gaming.

It was a shit story 20 years ago and its a shit story today

I don't refuse to, I've just never played it.

It was my first MGS game.

Excellent end credits song too:

https://youtu.be/1m4tYUfYCj4

I4NRulez posted...

It was a shit story 20 years ago and its a shit story today

Having bad opinions, couldn't be me

MGS2's actual narrative was weak, IMO - poor writing, inorganic dialogue, weak characterization, story told in a way that would halt the flow of gameplay (PowerPoint type exposition that would last for a long while), etc.

the themes, however, felt really well thought-out, and feel relevant to the real world.

edit: it's still an amazing game, though, and I consider it to be one of my favorite.

I bought that game day 1 with a preorder.

I didnt even have a ps2. I had to go to a friends house to play it.

One of the best games ever. Replayed it so much as a kid god damn.

I don't know if I'd put it as top narrative, though I think it has arguably the best set of mini-games in all of video gaming history in the VR Missions that came with substance, even if that was just an add on of the PS1 game VR Missions.

OudeGeuze posted...

And people still refuse to admit its a top 3 narrative in gaming.

But it's not even top 3 in its own series.

I can't believe MGS2 predicted memes. Kojima truly lightyears ahead of his time

Did you say nerd?

pfh1001 posted...

But it's not even top 3 in its own series.

Smooth brain opinion

Strider102 posted...

Did you say nerd?

It was a stroke of complex literary genius to make a main character as annoying as the player. If only all video game characters were so annoying, perhaps mankind would have achieved enlightenment long ago.

Honestly, I didnt really like most of that generation, but MGS 2 was a big exception. I did love that game

That sniper part with Vamp is probably one of my top gaming moments

It was a good story but by christ was it

1. overlong
2.full of itself

You could cut 69% of the dialogue and 30% of cutscenes entirely and lose nothing

I'm not knocking that the criticism of social media, fake news, information wars and cyber warfare wasn't both good and legitimately ahead of the times

but boy is it hamfisted

The best part is that literally everything Kojima said about the internet and the proliferation of grabage info was correct.

I liked the story. instead of the ''nukes are bad, m'kay" story we got from MGS1, the second game was making more of a comment on video games at our perception of what is real

but overall the game is really short, when you think about it. The maps are just tiny and there's only 2 areas. (3 if you count the end level but it's one hallway.)

g0ldie posted...

MGS2's actual narrative was weak, IMO - poor writing, inorganic dialogue, weak characterization, story told in a way that would halt the flow of gameplay (PowerPoint type exposition that would last for a long while), etc.

the themes, however, felt really well thought-out, and feel relevant to the real world.

edit: it's still an amazing game, though, and I consider it to be one of my favorite.

Agreed. The execution and structure was lacking, especially compared to MGS3, but the themes and backdrop were on point despite those issues. The meta/fourth wall breaking bits were very well executed though. I will always remember my first playthrough in Arsenal Gear, and to this day, the only other game that has so thoroughly unsettled me as the last part of MGS2 was the last third of Silent Hill 2 when everything starts to fall into place.

never got to play this one but i hope it gets remade down the line.

please Konami, get your shit together and remake MGS 1, 2 Substance and 3 Subsistence!

ThePieReborn posted...

Silent Hill 2

Now there's a game that legitimately might be top 3 narratives in gaming

At least from design

UnfairRepresent posted...

Now there's a game that legitimately might be top 3 narratives in gaming

At least from design

I remember I wrote an English paper basically right after my first playthrough that discussed how interactive media (video games) has unique ways of creating a narrative. Silent Hill 2 featured very prominently in that paper, and my teacher (a 40ish year old woman) was actually really interested to learn more about the game and story.

I liked the bad guy in the roller blades. Lol it has been forever since i have played this