Current Events > 31 y/o UNVAXXED Dying Dad Sobs UNCONTROLLABLY after he was DENIED an ORGAN!!

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Sackgurl
01/26/22 6:11:07 PM
#103:


scorpion41 posted...
Oh pleasethe hospital would settle so fast to avoid trial. This will be a PR nightmare.

what makes you think it'd make it to trial

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Funkydog
01/26/22 6:12:44 PM
#104:


scorpion41 posted...
Oh pleasethe hospital would settle so fast to avoid trial. This will be a PR nightmare.
lol at thinking this wouldn't be a slam dunk for the hospital, if it ever got that far.

They reject people for less all the time, and will continue to do so.

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_HayleyWilliams
01/26/22 6:13:16 PM
#105:


scorpion41 posted...
Oh pleasethe hospital would settle so fast to avoid trial. This will be a PR nightmare.
You're literally cheering for the complete destruction of healthcare.

Patients suing to force healthcare professionals to violate medical ethics and take on risk if the patient is loud and annoying enough would be the end of the world. Healthcare isn't Starbucks. Freedom is you not having to be told what to do, not you being able to tell others to do what you want without issue.

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TheOtherMike
01/26/22 6:13:59 PM
#106:


scorpion41 posted...
Oh pleasethe hospital would settle so fast to avoid trial. This will be a PR nightmare.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
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megamanfreakXD
01/26/22 6:14:01 PM
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Just from a medical standpoint, as a physician myself.

Transplant involves being immunosuppressed to prevent acute and chronic rejection, therefore high risk for covid infections with severe complications. Also, under going a transplant surgery is not a small thing. There are many risks associated with it. Also, it is not easy procuring viable organs.

I wouldn't want to waste a viable organ, risk my license to put it in a clown who might even die from covid anyway.

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Sackgurl
01/26/22 6:14:01 PM
#108:


and somehow it has never yielded bad PR

because someone always got the life-saving surgery

and those who didn't deserve it got to wait for the next one

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_HayleyWilliams
01/26/22 6:15:44 PM
#109:


scorpion41 posted...
So denying people life saving surgery because they dont want an optional vaccine is the way to go? Hope they have enough cash for the ensuing lawsuit after that man dies.
All the vaccines are optional. They aren't strapping down a patient and forcing them to get a single one of them. But those are the terms of the agreement, because the transplant team does not want to kill you on the table, or waste the organ when you die because you refuse to take care of yourself after.

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scorpion41
01/26/22 6:16:06 PM
#110:


Sackgurl posted...
what makes you think it'd make it to trial


It would go to trial to decide whether a hospital can deny a person care if they refuse the Covid vaccine. If the hospital wins, it sets a precedent that defends actions like this one. If they lose, then medical care has to be given regardless of vaccination status. Its an interesting argument.

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Funkydog
01/26/22 6:18:05 PM
#111:


scorpion41 posted...
It would go to trial to decide whether a hospital can deny a person care if they refuse the Covid vaccine. If the hospital wins, it sets a precedent that defends actions like this one. If they lose, then medical care has to be given regardless of vaccination status. Its an interesting argument.
Nah, it's already decided long ago.

Hospitals around the world can reject people if they aren't a suitable candidate - which being unvaccinated means.

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ThePieReborn
01/26/22 6:19:19 PM
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I'm struggling to see what makes this vaccine different from the other metrics/requirements/conditions that hospitals impose on potential recipients. I have my doubts that this would be the first lawsuit of its kind, and even still, there are not any novel issues because it comes down to a wrongful death and/or medical malpractice claim.

Like I said, I would hedge my bets on summary judgment if a claim is filed at all.

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Strider102
01/26/22 6:20:41 PM
#113:


scorpion41 posted...
It would go to trial to decide whether a hospital can deny a person care if they refuse the Covid vaccine. If the hospital wins, it sets a precedent that defends actions like this one. If they lose, then medical care has to be given regardless of vaccination status. Its an interesting argument.

It wouldn't even go to trial. Directors of hospitals have very specific guidelines about this.

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TheOtherMike
01/26/22 6:23:53 PM
#114:


scorpion41 posted...
It would go to trial to decide whether a hospital can deny a person care if they refuse the Covid vaccine.

TheOtherMike posted...
You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

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monkmith
01/26/22 6:24:31 PM
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they deny organ transplants to people with shit life choices all the time, why is this news?

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Sackgurl
01/26/22 6:27:04 PM
#116:


scorpion41 posted...
It would go to trial to decide whether a hospital can deny a person care if they refuse the Covid vaccine. If the hospital wins, it sets a precedent that defends actions like this one. If they lose, then medical care has to be given regardless of vaccination status. Its an interesting argument.

but that precedent was already decided in legal cases for other types of transplants

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6728216/

Most lawsuits uphold the centers ability to decline candidacy for conditions felt to adversely impact transplant outcomes

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buddhamonster
01/26/22 6:29:19 PM
#117:


scorpion41 posted...
So denying people life saving surgery because they dont want an optional vaccine is the way to go? Hope they have enough cash for the ensuing lawsuit after that man dies.

These are very well established rules and have been for a very long time. There is literally zero chance this sees a court.

You are so unbelievable wrong on this one, just take the L and walk away now.

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_HayleyWilliams
01/26/22 6:33:25 PM
#118:


monkmith posted...
they deny organ transplants to people with shit life choices all the time, why is this news?
NPCs were told to hate healthcare for being a leftie political plot. Yet they want to demand the healthcare be given to them against anyone's will or common sense.

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Esrac
01/26/22 6:44:56 PM
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So, I'll just state upfront that I dont know offhand how the medication specifically hinders his immune systems.

However, I do have a question about it. Basically, if the medication that is required for his body to accept the organ would totally cripple his immune system anyway, what good would the vaccine do him? Would it be particularly effective, if his immune system is deliberately broken anyway?

Not arguing against vaccine usage in general. Its a dumb hill to, literally, die on.
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HotLap
01/26/22 6:58:50 PM
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Are the people arguing against this think he got to the top of the list, expected a heart, then the hospital pulled the rug out from under him at the last minute or something? This guy has been well aware of the vaccination policy for months. He was told if he didnt get the vaccine, he wouldnt be getting a heart, but for some reason believed hed get one anyways. This wasnt some cruel prank. This was a dumbass who was told what he needed to do to get a heart and didnt do it.

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EnvoyOfTheLight
01/26/22 7:09:20 PM
#121:


Esrac posted...
So, I'll just state upfront that I dont know offhand how the medication specifically hinders his immune systems.

However, I do have a question about it. Basically, if the medication that is required for his body to accept the organ would totally cripple his immune system anyway, what good would the vaccine do him? Would it be particularly effective, if his immune system is deliberately broken anyway?

Not arguing against vaccine usage in general. Its a dumb hill to, literally, die on.

It would not, because his immune system would be compromised. It's his being antivax, in the first place, that lowers his chances of having a healthy and long life, in addition other private factors for this particular guy. You only get on the waitlist if you have high enough chances.

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LightHawKnight
01/26/22 7:18:15 PM
#122:


EnvoyOfTheLight posted...
It would not, because his immune system would be compromised. It's his being antivax, in the first place, that lowers his chances of having a healthy and long life, in addition other private factors for this particular guy. You only get on the waitlist if you have high enough chances.

Yeah, and if he couldnt be assed to the bare minimum to keep himself alive during a pandemic like getting a vaccine, who knows what else he wont do to keep himself alive and waste the organ.

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MeteorKing
01/26/22 7:20:34 PM
#123:


Esrac posted...
what good would the vaccine do him? Would it be particularly effective, if his immune system is deliberately broken anyway?
Immunocompromised doesn't necessary mean immunodead. If you're immunocompromised and you get an infection, having been vaccinated and letting your immune system take some notes could be the difference between fending off the attack (+/- medical intervention) vs. being overwhelmed and suffering irreversible damage/death

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nexigrams
01/26/22 7:53:50 PM
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I cannot imagine the self-centeredness it takes to be this guy. Some people just have zero ability to empathize at all, and it's really quite scary. I know it's pointless to explain anything these days, especially regarding this issue, but the lack of understanding and empathy is so astounding here that it compels me to try.

It's not about this guy. It's about the guy who's second on the list, who IS following all the protocols, and thus maximizing the chance of successful transplant. How do you explain it to his family when this guy dies, therefore very predictably wasting the heart. People have to be able to see this, there is no way you can be this willfully blind. Giving him the heart and no vaccine is like throwing it in the trash. I just don't understand this country any more.

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008Zulu
01/26/22 8:11:16 PM
#125:


Do proud people often cry at their own stupidity?

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EnvoyOfTheLight
01/26/22 8:43:53 PM
#126:


008Zulu posted...
Do proud people often cry at their own stupidity?

Possibly more often than people who aren't particularly proud. Pride and shame are intimately linked.

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bshwalker
01/27/22 11:11:09 AM
#127:


nexigrams posted...
I cannot imagine the self-centeredness it takes to be this guy. Some people just have zero ability to empathize at all, and it's really quite scary. I know it's pointless to explain anything these days, especially regarding this issue, but the lack of understanding and empathy is so astounding here that it compels me to try.

It's not about this guy. It's about the guy who's second on the list, who IS following all the protocols, and thus maximizing the chance of successful transplant. How do you explain it to his family when this guy dies, therefore very predictably wasting the heart. People have to be able to see this, there is no way you can be this willfully blind. Giving him the heart and no vaccine is like throwing it in the trash. I just don't understand this country any more.
Good post.
Another point
To be eligible to receive an organ, you have to demonstrate that you will follow the program in order to maximize a successful transplant.
There is an extensive interview and psychiatric evaluation, beforehand, to show that the recipient will follow all protocols to ensure that the organ is not wasted.
Organ transplants are just snap in and youre on your way.
There is a lifetime of medications that have to be taken so that the organ will remain healthy.
So lets remove the possibility of catching Covid out of this situation.
He is refusing a medical treatment.
What other medical treatments will he decide to reject?
What if he decides he doesnt want to take or receive something that is essential for a successful transplant?
This whole vaccine resistance has its foundation in politics.
Is it a good decision to give an organ to someone that is placing politics over science and life?
Is that fair to the next guy in line who is supportive of doing everything it takes to live?
The risk of getting infected with Covid is a small part of this, in my opinion.
By rejecting one of the medical procedures required to get the transplant, he disqualified himself from the eligibility list because he has proven that he has the capacity for rejecting medical requirements for the success of the heart transplant. He can and has choosen to cause the transplant to be a failure.
How much do you invest in a home thats next to a growing sinkhole?
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Zombified_Toast
01/27/22 11:25:19 AM
#128:


Full Throttle posted...
But DJ said sobbingly is not budging and will stand by his christian convictions and not take something he knows will NOT work and not take the risk that he knows will make him worse off in the future and that same sentiment is felt by his family.

K then die

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Ving_Rhames
01/27/22 11:26:32 AM
#129:


whys he sobbing

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Mearcstapa
01/27/22 11:32:36 AM
#130:


What a worthless idiot.

Glad that heart will be going to someone more deserving instead. Idiot.

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V-E-G-Y-
01/27/22 11:34:33 AM
#131:


M_Live posted...
What a fucking idiot

And the guy has kids too. Selfish prick

Dis

Fuck him, he'll abandon his family just to pwn da libs

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GGuirao13
01/28/22 3:27:11 AM
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Yes. At this point, there is no logical reason not to get vaccinated, provided you are medically cleared to.

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Guide
01/28/22 3:33:10 AM
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I wonder if he retains his place on the list or has to start over. If it's the latter, he'll probably just run out of time.

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008Zulu
01/28/22 5:46:21 AM
#135:


Ving_Rhames posted...
whys he sobbing
Because he has likely realised his idiocy has doomed him.

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LightHawKnight
01/28/22 4:29:04 PM
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So you know nothing about organ transplants then. Google the requirements.

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LightHawKnight
01/29/22 10:22:32 AM
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So you cant google.

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