Current Events > Bernie Sanders says he's ready to open a can of whoopass on Sinema and Manchin

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Jagr_68
01/23/22 12:53:10 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/23/bernie-sanders-criticizes-republicans-kyrsten-sinema-joe-manchin

Bernie Sanders on Sunday sought to turn fire aimed by Democrats at two of their own, Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin, onto Republican senators he said were pushing an anti-democratic agenda.

Republicans are laughing all the way to election day, the Vermont senator told CNNs State of the Union. They have not had to cast one bloody vote which shows us where theyre at.
But the Vermont progressive also confirmed that he will campaign against Manchin and Sinema, both Democrats, should they face viable primary challengers.
Manchin, from West Virginia, and Sinema, from Arizona, have blocked Democratic priorities including the Build Back Better spending plan and, this week, voting rights reform.
But, Sanders insisted, its not only those two. It is 50 Republicans who have been adamant about not only pushing an anti-democratic agenda but also opposing our efforts to try to lower the cost of prescription drugs, trying to expand Medicare to improve the disaster situation in home healthcare, in childcare, to address the existential threat of climate change.
Youve got 50 Republicans who dont want to do anything except criticise the president and then you have, sadly enough, two Democrats who choose to work with Republicans rather than the president, and it will sabotage the presidents effort to address the needs of working families in this country.
Speaking to NBCs Meet the Press, Sanders insisted the Biden administration made a great start, in part with a Covid relief bill passed with just 50 votes and the casting vote of Vice-President Kamala Harris, but was now bogged down thanks in large part to Manchin and Sinema.

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Some Democrats advocate splitting Joe Bidens Build Back Better plan into separate bills, in order to pass what they can.
Sanders conceded that most such legislation will not pass, given Republican obstruction and the machinations of Manchin and Sinema. Bringing bills to the floor, he conceded, would really be about electoral politics ahead of midterms this year in which Republicans expect to take back the House and possibly the Senate, and the presidential contest in two years time.

Finally the Bern HAS COME BACK TO THE SQUARED CIRCLE!

dems will fuck him over again prob *sigh*


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Unsugarized_Foo
01/23/22 12:59:35 PM
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Manchin is probably as left as his voters will allow, so it is what it is

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TheHoldSteady
01/23/22 1:01:53 PM
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Literally the perfect man

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NinjaWarrior455
01/23/22 1:04:07 PM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Manchin is probably as left as his voters will allow, so it is what it is
Many of his constituents want him to pass the legislation he is against.

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lilORANG
01/23/22 1:04:33 PM
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Manchin sux but is the best we're going to get in WV. And until the recent shenanigans during the Biden admin, he's always walked and talked like a republican but came through with his vote when it mattered.

Sinema actually campaigned as a progressive and is voting like a republican. She has no business being in office or even in the party.

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Southernfatman
01/23/22 1:07:47 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/2/AAO8B9AAC1t4.jpg

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Jagr_68
01/23/22 1:18:20 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/1/2/AAO8B9AAC1t4.jpg

*glass shatters*

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ThePrinceFish
01/23/22 1:30:06 PM
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The fuck is Sanders going to do? He couldn't get elected dog catcher in either of those states. He's going to make them vote on the record... the way their constituents want?

He's just going to throw a fit and act like they are beholden to the Democrats across the country and not the people in their state. IE he's going to do fucking nothing to them.

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Sir_Gawain
01/23/22 1:30:43 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
and not the people in their state.

NinjaWarrior455 posted...
Many of his constituents want him to pass the legislation he is against.


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EnterTheTekken
01/23/22 1:33:56 PM
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I would really like to hear his plan on how he's going to get a progressive candidate to primary a moderate Democrat in the reddest state in the Union.

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TheVipaGTS
01/23/22 1:35:48 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
He's going to make them vote on the record... the way their constituents want?
...Most their their constituents are against what they are doing. Many of them are fighting against them and regretting electing them...what the fuck are you on about? they are actively going against what their constituents voted for, genius...

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ThePrinceFish
01/23/22 1:38:47 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
...Most their their constituents are against what they are doing. Many of them are fighting against them and regretting electing them...what the fuck are you on about? they are actively going against what their constituents voted for, genius...
I don't care what whiny polls from hardcore Democrats in purple Arizona or dark red West Virginia say. You people are insane if you really think you're going to primary Manchin with a more progressive Democrat. MAYBE you can fuck over Sinema, but if you really think that Manchin isn't by far the best you could hope for out of West Virginia, then you can't be helped.

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Unknown5uspect
01/23/22 1:40:48 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
The fuck is Sanders going to do? He couldn't get elected dog catcher in either of those states. He's going to make them vote on the record... the way their constituents want?

He's just going to throw a fit and act like they are beholden to the Democrats across the country and not the people in their state. IE he's going to do fucking nothing to them.
@ThePrinceFish Manchin's constituents want BBB to pass, you dunce.

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Unknown5uspect
01/23/22 1:42:06 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
I don't care what whiny polls from hardcore Democrats in purple Arizona or dark red West Virginia say.
So you don't even actually give a fuck about what the people want.

Dude shut the fuck up.

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TheVipaGTS
01/23/22 1:43:12 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
I don't care what whiny polls from hardcore Democrats in purple Arizona or dark red West Virginia say. You people are insane if you really think you're going to primary Manchin with a more progressive Democrat. MAYBE you can fuck over Sinema, but if you really think that Manchin isn't by far the best you could hope for out of West Virginia, then you can't be helped.
I dont care what the people who voted for them saidok.

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ThePrinceFish
01/23/22 1:44:03 PM
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Unknown5uspect posted...
@ThePrinceFish Manchin's constituents want BBB to pass, you dunce.
I'm pretty sure I already mentioned that I don't give a shit about whatever skewed poll you can dredge out of West Virginia. There are absolutely individual things that people there would like. Too bad they are tied to insane Democrat anti-coal nonsense that would body WV. Again, feel free to primary Manchin with one of your beloved commies. A real conservative Senator out of WV will be nice.

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TheVipaGTS
01/23/22 1:46:37 PM
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what is Bernie gonna do? Theyre doing what the people want
the people have said they want them to pass these bills
I dont care what they said!!

PrinceFish, everyone lmao.

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hockeybub89
01/23/22 1:46:51 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
I'm pretty sure I already mentioned that I don't give a shit about whatever skewed poll you can dredge out of West Virginia. There are absolutely individual things that people there would like. Too bad they are tied to insane Democrat anti-coal nonsense that would body WV. Again, feel free to primary Manchin with one of your beloved commies. A real conservative Senator out of WV will be nice.
It would put such a smile on my face if we banned coal outright.

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ThePrinceFish
01/23/22 1:48:16 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
It would put such a smile on my face if we banned coal outright.
It would put a smile on my face if you tried.

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Sackgurl
01/23/22 1:49:09 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
I'm pretty sure I already mentioned that I don't give a s*** about whatever skewed poll you can dredge out of West Virginia. There are absolutely individual things that people there would like. Too bad they are tied to insane Democrat anti-coal nonsense that would body WV. Again, feel free to primary Manchin with one of your beloved commies. A real conservative Senator out of WV will be nice.

how do you know any of this

are you just making things up and discarding any contradictory information as "skewed polls" because it makes you feel bad?

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Sir_Gawain
01/23/22 1:50:05 PM
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Y'all are aware PrinceFish is a Trumper right

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Unsuprised_Pika
01/23/22 1:50:49 PM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Manchin is probably as left as his voters will allow, so it is what it is

Fuck the voters do what is right.

Although pretty sure he had voted against several things the majority of his voters supported and were morally right so fuck him
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furb
01/23/22 1:55:32 PM
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Unknown5uspect posted...
@ThePrinceFish Manchin's constituents want BBB to pass, you dunce.

Native west Virginian here. Also a graduate degree holder in American government. I think you badly misunderstand politics in the state. Look at the state legislature. Look at the governor although he ran as a Democrat in his first election.

BBB might be individually popular in thr state but that doesnt outweigh the public's overall conservative lean.

WV was formerly a labor Democrat stronghold. Labor dems like guns and some other conservative values. The labor unions died and the coal miners turned on the democratic party. The state is now dominated by conservatives views. Manchin is a hold over from the bygone era. If not for his name and deep political connections, he would already be on the streets.

I am not taking a position on whether he should or should not be in office. I am just staring the democrats likely could not have a hope of getting anyone more left than him in office given the political environment in the state.

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Sir_Gawain
01/23/22 1:56:33 PM
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Surveys have shown that while mine owners don't support BBB, mine workers do, or the majority at least

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Sackgurl
01/23/22 2:02:38 PM
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furb posted...
I am just staring the democrats likely could not have a hope of getting anyone more left than him in office given the political environment in the state.

well, except possibly joe manchin in a timeline where he voted for the bill

the message here is "he could probably maintain his voter support if he let the bill pass" and "passing the bill is what his voters want from him", not "we should find a replacement!" because we all understand he is the last democrat WV will ever send to washington

also remember that statewide elections in red states tend not to accurately represent the state voters' perspectives because state governments can rig elections in their favor by redrawing state electoral districts, just as they do for national house districts

but you can't rig a senate election. all the voters in the state have equal say.

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Kaiganeer
01/23/22 2:04:55 PM
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man, the internet is gonna be on fire the day bernie passes away
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Fam_Fam
01/23/22 2:09:37 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Fuck the voters do what is right.

Although pretty sure he had voted against several things the majority of his voters supported and were morally right so fuck him

bahahaha. I guess you don't understand the point of a representative democracy then. People vote for you to represent THEIR interests, not the country's. That's why you are the representative of that state in the US senate. If WV wanted a progressive senator, I'm sure they'd have one.
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Sir_Gawain
01/23/22 2:10:38 PM
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Fam_Fam posted...
bahahaha. I guess you don't understand the point of a representative democracy then. People vote for you to represent THEIR interests, not the country's. That's why you are the representative of that state in the US senate.
Nobody is obligated to condemn our environment or democracy to placate "the voters"

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Fam_Fam
01/23/22 2:11:20 PM
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Sir_Gawain posted...
Nobody is obligated to condemn our environment or democracy to placate "the voters"

sure they are, if they want to keep being voted into office. the voters have the right to stop voting for you if you stop representing their interests.

if you want Manchin to stop voting as he is, and for the GOP competitor to take his spot when he pisses his voter base off, then we certainly can go that way as well. you still won't get your way with that.
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