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SpriteLimit
01/08/22 8:08:54 PM
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All these streamers doing lazy react content and then acting surprised when they get hit with a copyright suspension. Yet I guarantee they would be upset of someone took their content.

Fucking millennials

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AngelsNAirwav3s
01/08/22 8:12:14 PM
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Now they are just watching full seasons of TV or watching full movies for 8 hours a day, Pokimane is already suspended for watching Avatar The Last Airbender on stream

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Mezcla
01/08/22 8:13:14 PM
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Twitch streamers are not millennials lmao

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ooger
01/08/22 8:13:26 PM
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DMCA is a stupid bill.

Also, fair use doctrine is a thing, even if automated take down tools ignore it.

https://tinyurl.com/muuu3uah


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CommonStar
01/08/22 8:14:36 PM
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Who cares. DMCA is stupid.

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Ushiromiya
01/08/22 8:15:41 PM
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CommonStar posted...
DMCA is stupid.


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FurryPhilosifer
01/08/22 8:17:01 PM
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I'm trying to think of a joke about "steamers" but I've got nothing. Can someone else take over? thanks

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ooger
01/08/22 8:18:01 PM
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Ghosts are cool.

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Background_Guy
01/08/22 8:18:23 PM
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So they decided the minimal amount of work they were already doing was just too much and decided to stream pirated tv shows instead
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pogo_rabid
01/08/22 8:18:32 PM
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React content to youtube videos isn't a big deal. It's the current fad of watching entire tv shows/movies on stream then doing the suprised pikachu face when they get hit with bans. iirc, pokimane just got a 2 or 3 day ban for streaming avatar, rich campbell streamed the entire LOTR trilogy, and XQC streamed a bunch of master chef.

Mezcla posted...
Twitch streamers are not millennials lmao
i'd say it's a 50/50 split of zoomer and millenial streamers

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Gamerguymass
01/08/22 8:18:47 PM
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Mezcla posted...
Twitch streamers are not millennials lmao

The majority of Twitch streamers are older then 21, so yeah, they are.

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ViewtifulJoe
01/08/22 8:20:43 PM
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I always imagine posts like this sounding like someone grumbling while eating, accompanied by the faint sounds of a late night talk show in the background.

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pogo_rabid
01/08/22 8:22:25 PM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
I always imagine posts like this sounding like someone grumbling while eating, accompanied by the faint sounds of a late night talk show in the background.
It's part of a larger conversation that's going on now with big twitch streamers going out of their way to push the envelope with how lazy their content can get right now. cr1tikal talks about it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDFL8ksTCWk

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SpriteLimit
01/08/22 8:24:35 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Now they are just watching full seasons of TV or watching full movies for 8 hours a day, Pokimane is already suspended for watching Avatar The Last Airbender on stream

Exactly. DisguisedToast has been watching Naurto/Deathnote for hours and Pokimane streamed a full season of Avatar.

Pretty sure I saw a part of a stream where Toast wasn't even at his computer and he had Naurto playing with like 10k viewers.

Mezcla posted...
Twitch streamers are not millennials lmao

The two I am specifically talking about are Pokimane and Disguised Toast. Pretty Sure they are both Millennials.

ooger posted...
DMCA is a stupid bill.

Also, fair use doctrine is a thing, even if automated take down tools ignore it.

https://tinyurl.com/muuu3uah

Does fair use let you stream full seasons of TV shows with barely and commentary or reaction?

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BlackBlueButts
01/08/22 8:25:38 PM
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It's all low effort videos trying to make money off content that isn't theirs.

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FurryPhilosifer
01/08/22 8:25:49 PM
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Gamerguymass posted...
older then 21
Older then 21? Are you sure about that? lol!

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Supernatural
01/08/22 8:27:53 PM
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SpriteLimit posted...
Exactly. DisguisedToast has been watching Naurto/Deathnote for hours and Pokimane streamed a full season of Avatar.

Pretty sure I saw a part of a stream where Toast wasn't even at his computer and he had Naurto playing with like 10k viewers.

The two I am specifically talking about are Pokimane and Disguised Toast. Pretty Sure they are both Millennials.

Does fair use let you stream full seasons of TV shows with barely and commentary or reaction?
LMAO
and people say people only watch to see the reaction of the streamer


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ooger
01/08/22 8:31:11 PM
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SpriteLimit posted...
Does fair use let you stream full seasons of TV shows with barely and commentary or reaction?
Yes

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SpriteLimit
01/08/22 8:31:45 PM
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ooger posted...
Yes

Well that's dumb.

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ooger
01/08/22 8:32:12 PM
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You're just mad at streamers you don't like.

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Lost_All_Senses
01/08/22 8:32:23 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
It's part of a larger conversation that's going on now with big twitch streamers going out of their way to push the envelope with how lazy their content can get right now. cr1tikal talks about it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDFL8ksTCWk

I usually think Critical talks with half information. But when it's about something he actually has experience in, he usually sounds pretty spot on. His video on this seems like he knows what he's talking about. It would suck seeing people blow up the spot you make most your money. He stays composed even though it would dramatically effect him.

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CommonStar
01/08/22 8:32:42 PM
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This outrage meta is all just so people who hate these streamers have something they can grasp to hate them more.

Honestly who gives a shit if they stream full shows or movies. Are you a fucking cop? When did the internet become all for these copyright losers?

Every streamer is streaming copyright shit, fyi video games are copyright. Like what are you really mad about here?
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Robot2600
01/08/22 8:35:46 PM
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CommonStar posted...
Who cares. DMCA is stupid.


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Antifar
01/08/22 8:37:06 PM
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CommonStar posted...
Honestly who gives a shit if they stream full shows or movies. Are you a fucking cop?
Correct take

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SpriteLimit
01/08/22 8:38:44 PM
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ooger posted...
You're just mad at streamers you don't like.

No, I have no strong feelings about Poki whatsoever and I usually like Toast.

CommonStar posted...
This outrage meta is all just so people who hate these streamers have something they can grasp to hate them more.

Honestly who gives a shit if they stream full shows or movies. Are you a fucking cop? When did the internet become all for these copyright losers?

Every streamer is streaming copyright shit, fyi video games are copyright. Like what are you really mad about here?

I don't even dislike Poki though and I usually like Toast's content.

As far as giving a shit about if Viacom losing money from someone streaming Avatar I also don't give a shit. I just think it is funny how lazy and hypocritical content creators are sometimes.

Video games being copyright is different to me. Generally games are used as more of a tool to create content rather than the content itself. They are playing competitively(valorant), creating something in game (Minecraft), or commentating throughout a single player experience. To me that is way different than staring blankly at the screen watching cartoons for 8 hrs and making a comment every 5 minutes.

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ooger
01/08/22 8:41:41 PM
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SpriteLimit posted...
To me that is way different than staring blankly at the screen watching cartoons for 8 hrs and making a comment every 5 minutes.

It's okay to be wrong, but those are the same thing.


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pogo_rabid
01/08/22 8:42:57 PM
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CommonStar posted...
This outrage meta is all just so people who hate these streamers have something they can grasp to hate them more.

Honestly who gives a shit if they stream full shows or movies. Are you a fucking cop? When did the internet become all for these copyright losers?

Every streamer is streaming copyright shit, fyi video games are copyright. Like what are you really mad about here?
Because streaming stuff like that puts twitch as a whole in a precarious position, and they could clamp down on what streamers could do because they flew too close to the sun.

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SpriteLimit
01/08/22 8:47:36 PM
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ooger posted...
It's okay to be wrong, but those are the same thing.

How?

They add no value aside from a picture of their face in the corner while the cartoon is playing. The experience you get from watching the stream is no different than the experience you get if you watch it directly.

Compared to video games the experience is not the same is playing it yourself. The interactions the group has during Among Us were not the same experiences I had just playing the game. They create things in Minecraft that I would have not created. Competitive games are similar to watching a sporting event.

In all of these cases the streamer adds something that was not part of the original content.

If they had real commentary that added something to the cartoon, I would say they are the same. But most of the time they just stare at the screen barely speaking, sometimes even getting up and doing something else while the show plays not even watching or commenting.

Are you saying you should be able to just replay anything with no problem?

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Background_Guy
01/08/22 8:49:39 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
Because streaming stuff like that puts twitch as a whole in a precarious position, and they could clamp down on what streamers could do because they flew too close to the sun.
This is literally lazy multi-millionaires making things harder for streamers that actually put effort into their work and need the money.
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ooger
01/08/22 8:51:34 PM
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SpriteLimit posted...
How?

They add no value aside from a picture of their face in the corner while the cartoon is playing. The experience you get from watching the stream is no different than the experience you get if you watch it directly.

Compared to video games the experience is not the same is playing it yourself. The interactions the group has during Among Us were not the same experiences I had just playing the game. They create things in Minecraft that I would have not created. Competitive games are similar to watching a sporting event.

In all of these cases the streamer adds something that was not part of the original content.

If they had real commentary that added something to the cartoon, I would say they are the same. But most of the time they just stare at the screen barely speaking, sometimes even getting up and doing something else while the show plays not even watching or commenting.

Are you saying you should be able to just replay anything with no problem?

Do you watch those streams to get out of paying for the cartoon, or are you watching them to interact with chat and the streamer?

Bing, bong, it's fair use.


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SpriteLimit
01/08/22 8:53:01 PM
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ooger posted...
Do you watch those streams to get out of paying for the cartoon, or are you watching them to interact with chat and the streamer?

Bing, bong, it's fair use.

I disagree

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pogo_rabid
01/08/22 8:58:14 PM
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Luckily there are some streamers who don't have their heads up their asses about this.

https://twitter.com/AdmiralBahroo/status/1479838930036043777
https://twitter.com/CohhCarnage/status/1479780123750678529
https://twitter.com/ludwigahgren/status/1479900341453742080?s=21
https://twitter.com/MoistCr1TiKaL/status/1479934970890182660
https://mobile.twitter.com/CaptainSparklez/status/1479702916285952000

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Stalolin
01/08/22 9:00:13 PM
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ooger posted...
Yes

Incorrect sorry.

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ooger
01/08/22 9:09:02 PM
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ITT poster who love copyright holders.

"Oh god, won't someone think of viacom? what will they ever do?!"

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pogo_rabid
01/08/22 9:12:58 PM
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ooger posted...
ITT poster who love copyright holders.

"Oh god, won't someone think of viacom? what will they ever do?!"
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/7/0/AAd2inAACyVm.jpg

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knightmarexx
01/08/22 9:13:03 PM
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Copyright should match patents, and be 20 years.
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Background_Guy
01/08/22 9:15:02 PM
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ooger posted...
ITT poster who love copyright holders.

"Oh god, won't someone think of viacom? what will they ever do?!"
You're out here simping for lazy millionaires
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SpriteLimit
01/08/22 9:17:00 PM
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ooger posted...
ITT poster who love copyright holders.

"Oh god, won't someone think of viacom? what will they ever do?!"

Again I give literally zero shits about Viacom. I just think it is lazy and hypocritical for top twitch streamers to stream hours of copyright content and then act surprised when they get suspended. When some of the same streamers have put out copyright claims on people uploading their content to youtube.

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Robot2600
01/08/22 9:35:15 PM
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copyright should only be 20 years after the death of the artist.

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SpriteLimit
01/08/22 9:40:39 PM
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Robot2600 posted...
copyright should only be 20 years after the death of the artist.

Now that is something I can get on board with.

All in favor say "aye"

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ooger
01/08/22 10:29:30 PM
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Background_Guy posted...
You're out here simping for lazy millionaires
Nope, just for enforcing the fair use act instead of automated take downs by corporations worth billions.

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pogo_rabid
01/08/22 10:34:05 PM
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ooger posted...
Nope, just for enforcing the fair use act instead of automated take downs by corporations worth billions.
Streaming copyrighted video in it's full format has never been protected by fair use. If you chopped it up into short clips and were using those clips to review or critique the film/show, then it is protected.

I hope this helps clear up your misunderstanding of what fair use is.

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NeoShadowhen
01/08/22 10:38:43 PM
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Watch better streamers or do something else entirely.

I cant imagine participating in a medium I despise. I also cant imagine bitching about a medium I dont consume.
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Frolex
01/08/22 11:16:51 PM
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These streams are basically the equivalent of BlackManAss. There was once a glorious time on gamefaqs where bare asses were pretty much free to post despite the fact that they were technically against the rules as written because mods gave a lot of leeway on it. Then the BlackManAss "meme" came and got endlessly spammed excessively to the point that the higher ups at CBS took notice and the admins had to put the hammer down and ruined bare ass posts for everyone. Now to this day bare ass is pretty much an instant warn and it's all down that one man his vuluptuous ass.

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slipknirvana
01/08/22 11:17:54 PM
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SpriteLimit posted...
All these streamers doing lazy react content and then acting surprised when they get hit with a copyright suspension. Yet I guarantee they would be upset of someone took their content.

Fucking millennials

Pokemane has literally copyright striked a fan youtube channel playing short compilation clips of it's own twitch. which is literally just free advertisement.
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ooger
01/08/22 11:23:55 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
Streaming copyrighted video in it's full format has never been protected by fair use. If you chopped it up into short clips and were using those clips to review or critique the film/show, then it is protected.

I hope this helps clear up your misunderstanding of what fair use is.
^ not a lawyer.

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pogo_rabid
01/08/22 11:34:04 PM
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ooger posted...
^ not a lawyer.

I am not a copyright lawyer.

But he is.
https://youtu.be/L3Vwh19LPaQ

I hope this helps clear up your misunderstanding of what fair use is :)

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ooger
01/08/22 11:53:10 PM
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I don't click on external links.

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