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saspa
12/23/21 12:59:35 PM
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I've never been able to beat Pokemon Stadium 2 round 2's final random masterball cup

Never was able to beat battle front frontier in emerald

Didn't even come close to beating the pokemon colosseum battle mode to get ho-oh

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saspa
12/23/21 1:26:58 PM
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EVs/IVs make smt and dq look like child's play (original not the remake)

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YookaLaylee
12/23/21 1:28:14 PM
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Its hard if youre 5 years old

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Lost_All_Senses
12/23/21 1:28:42 PM
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Dragon Quest 11 has a bunch of boxes you click to make the game significantly harder.

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Tappor
12/23/21 1:28:50 PM
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...no

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Umbreon
12/23/21 1:32:34 PM
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Nah.

Some modes are just tricky because you can't grind to level 99 and max out all your stats to beat them like a typical jrpg.

Basically, you're forced to play 'fair'. Relatively speaking. Meanwhile the AI can Quick Claw Sheer Cold x3 and then call you shit for losing.

Compare to most Final Fantasy games where you can eventually just outgrind the superbosses.

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Prestoff
12/23/21 1:33:48 PM
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Final Fantasy Mystic Quest

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Solar_Crimson
12/23/21 1:35:58 PM
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Not even close. Especially with the recent games, which are explicitly being dumbed down to remain appealing to children.

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Kaldrenthebold
12/23/21 1:36:26 PM
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Lol not at all, what is this topic?

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Dakimakura
12/23/21 1:36:33 PM
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It could be, if you don't use any Pokemon.

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berlyman101
12/23/21 1:37:08 PM
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is this serious

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saspa
12/23/21 1:53:20 PM
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Has anyone itt beaten battle tower or pokemon stadium 2 round 2? Especially considering the AI cheats

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Smackems
12/23/21 1:55:24 PM
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I haven't been able to get more than a couple gyms in since blue because it's so god damn boring so yeah they're pretty hard to play

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Crescente
12/23/21 1:55:47 PM
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It's one of the most easier jrpg series lol.

Hardest would probably be the Shin Megami series.
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Seaman_Prime
12/23/21 2:16:03 PM
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Pokemon Red/Blue should be impossible to complete because theres no reason Brock should ever lose to you. He has Onix, a giant rock snake monster, no pokemon up to that point should stand a chance.
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Srk700
12/23/21 2:19:44 PM
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Seaman_Prime posted...
Pokemon Red/Blue should be impossible to complete because theres no reason Brock should ever lose to you. He has Onix, a giant rock snake monster, no pokemon up to that point should stand a chance.

Still kind of sad how Onix is so garbage. Like how the hell does it only have base stats of 45 attack and 35 HP?
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KiwiTerraRizing
12/23/21 2:20:10 PM
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Its a childs game

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GiftedACIII
12/23/21 2:21:07 PM
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Crescente posted...
It's one of the most easier jrpg series lol.

Hardest would probably be the Shin Megami series.

Pretty sure the hardest Atlus franchise is Etrian Odyssey.

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Turbam
12/23/21 2:21:19 PM
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Yes

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Panthera
12/23/21 2:25:13 PM
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Yes, you can't truly complete a Pokemon game without outside assistance, whereas other JRPGs you can indeed beat on your own

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AldousIsDead
12/23/21 2:28:00 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
Pretty sure the hardest Atlus franchise is Etrian Odyssey.
Those games are assholes.

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Umbreon
12/23/21 2:45:16 PM
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saspa posted...
Has anyone itt beaten battle tower or pokemon stadium 2 round 2? Especially considering the AI cheats


Define 'beaten' for Battle Tower, since it's endless.

Only beat R1 for Stadium 2(Rentals are hot garbage), but I did unlock Ho-Oh in Colosseum.

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Lost_All_Senses
12/23/21 2:58:36 PM
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Imagine if Pokemon had a Strong Monsters check box. That would be amazing yo

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Garioshi
12/23/21 3:00:39 PM
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Pokemon is the most tedious JRPG series of all time

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Southernfatman
12/23/21 3:01:42 PM
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Never played 2, but Pokemon Stadium 1 was such bullshit with the odds always being on the computer's side. Fuck that game.

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ChocoboMogALT
12/23/21 3:02:46 PM
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Umbreon posted...
Define 'beaten' for Battle Tower, since it's endless.

Only beat R1 for Stadium 2(Rentals are hot garbage), but I did unlock Ho-Oh in Colosseum.
Level 100 is the reward cap, isn't it?
I think TC has a legit point hidden behind a troll title.

Someone mentioned FF, but FFRK is legit super hard and based on old FF ATB mechanics.

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Kloe_Rinz
12/23/21 3:17:03 PM
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They might actually be the easiest. You can beat the game not with your starter, but with the first generic Pokmon you catch (I.e. Bidoof) since once its a few levels higher than average (guaranteed to happen when its the only Pokmon you use) it just sweeps the enemy team
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saspa
12/25/21 2:57:48 AM
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Southernfatman posted...
Never played 2, but Pokemon Stadium 1 was bad with the odds always being on the computer's side well past the point of challenge and into complete bullshit territory. Fuck that game.

Oh dude. If you thought Pokemon Stadium 1 was bad... 2 complete decimates bullshit territory and goes into bs universe. With Pokemon Stadium 1 you could at least eventually beat it even with the rival having his own mewtwos for you to beat.

But with PS 2, the AI literally cheats everytime you do a move. If you use dig/earthquake, the AI will always use fly or vice versa. If you use a super effective move, the AI will always switch out to a pokemon not super effective by it (if they have it) and other stuff like that. Roughly 10 years ago someone cracked the code to PS 2 and saw that the AI actually does check your moveset and cheat accordingly.

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KeeperOfShadows
12/25/21 3:39:53 AM
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Maybe not THE hardest series, but it can be pretty rough in the few modes where the enemy AI is actually competent.

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Southernfatman
12/25/21 7:26:43 AM
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saspa posted...
Oh dude. If you thought Pokemon Stadium 1 was bad... 2 complete decimates bullshit territory and goes into bs universe. With Pokemon Stadium 1 you could at least eventually beat it even with the rival having his own mewtwos for you to beat.

But with PS 2, the AI literally cheats everytime you do a move. If you use dig/earthquake, the AI will always use fly or vice versa. If you use a super effective move, the AI will always switch out to a pokemon not super effective by it (if they have it) and other stuff like that. Roughly 10 years ago someone cracked the code to PS 2 and saw that the AI actually does check your moveset and cheat accordingly.

Sounds just like 1. It had the same issues. Hated that so much.

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Trumpo
12/25/21 8:00:24 AM
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Unlocking Ho-Oh in coliseum was a bore.
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supervaan
12/25/21 8:14:36 AM
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not going to lie the stadium games were on a whole another level of bs if you used only rental pokemon

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MichaeI_Vick
12/25/21 8:26:31 AM
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Was it even possible to beat the last AI trainer in Pokemon Stadium 1 Pika Cup (Round 2) with rentals if they picked Alakazam?

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Nukazie
12/25/21 8:29:14 AM
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yes, the game makes me hard

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MedeaLysistrata
12/25/21 7:07:05 PM
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No, because now there is... a link to the past

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saspa
12/26/21 11:51:55 PM
#37:


supervaan posted...
not going to lie the stadium games were on a whole another level of bs if you used only rental pokemon

Even with your own pokemon it wasn't a cakewalk. I still have never beaten pokemon stadium 2 round 2 challenge cup (where you're forced to use random rental pokemon)

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Cheater87
12/26/21 11:53:24 PM
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How about. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/4/5/AAEru5AACvmN.jpg

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Kaldrenthebold
12/27/21 9:28:13 AM
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One small piece of an entire media franchise does not a hardest JRPG series make. As a whole, the games are extremely easy. Having a few pieces that might actually be difficult and lean into how the mechanics work does not translate to the overall series. Which is to say it is mind numbingly easy a majority of the time. Like 99%.

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Tyranthraxus
12/27/21 9:36:40 AM
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If you're trying to fill out the international Dex then yeah it's probably harder than any other jrpg.

Just to get to the credits though is pretty easy.

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Umbreon
12/27/21 7:06:44 PM
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MichaeI_Vick posted...
Was it even possible to beat the last AI trainer in Pokemon Stadium 1 Pika Cup (Round 2) with rentals if they picked Alakazam?

From what I've heard, you either needed to get a lucky freeze or it was pretty much impossible.

A Zam with 5 levels on you is basically Mewtwo in the Little Cup.


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saspa
12/30/21 1:47:42 AM
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Umbreon posted...


From what I've heard, you either needed to get a lucky freeze or it was pretty much impossible.

A Zam with 5 levels on you is basically Mewtwo in the Little Cup.


Slash usually helps because while his special defense is unfairly high, his regular defense is less so.

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Metal_Bug
12/30/21 1:52:18 AM
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Seaman_Prime posted...
Pokemon Red/Blue should be impossible to complete because theres no reason Brock should ever lose to you. He has Onix, a giant rock snake monster, no pokemon up to that point should stand a chance.
Lol the first time I encountered Onix in those games, I had no idea he was giant. I thought he was made up of like, rocks that could fit in your hand, making him slightly larger than most snakes.

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saspa
01/01/22 1:58:13 AM
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The tv show isn't canon so for all we know, onix really is the size of the palm of your hand

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Kim_Seong-a
01/01/22 2:01:50 AM
#45:


Tyranthraxus posted...
If you're trying to fill out the international Dex then yeah it's probably harder than any other jrpg.

Just to get to the credits though is pretty easy.

If we're counting 100% runs, almost every FF game has some absolute nonsense side content. Fuck the sigils and crests from X lol

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Awakened_Link
01/02/22 11:11:54 PM
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Idk, right now I'm struggling with the E4 + champ in Shining Pearl lmao. I don't remember them being this hard ten years ago tf.

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Liu_Kano
01/02/22 11:45:48 PM
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Etrian Odyssey = JRPG version Wizardry, complete with difficulty. Its gotta be the hardest.
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Veggeta_MAX
01/02/22 11:47:48 PM
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Saga Frontier
Shining Force 1 and 2
Vandal Hearts
Beyond the Beyond
7th Saga

Off the top of my head that are hard jrpgs


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Kuuko
01/02/22 11:57:17 PM
#49:


saspa posted...
I've never been able to beat Pokemon Stadium 2 round 2's final random masterball cup

Never was able to beat battle front frontier in emerald

Didn't even come close to beating the pokemon colosseum battle mode to get ho-oh
I actually did do these three and yes they're not easy at all. Well, Colosseum's isn't as bad as you think. Just tedious. I didn't have access to GBA games when I did it and can't remember if it even lets you use pokemon from those games anyway, so I used a team of Suicune, Raikou, Tyranitar, Metagross, Flygon, and Medicham - which are all shadow pokemon you get in the story. Most of the trainers' teams are pretty bad so it's just tiring. And Tyranitar's Sand Stream animation probably made the whole thing a few hours longer than it had to be.

Pokemon Stadium 2's Round 2 in general is cruel to you. Less so if you can transfer GBC pokes instead of using the shitty rentals. I struggled most with the Little Cup.

I did all gold symbol Emerald's Battle Frontier after over a decade of on and off attempts. I used RNG manipulation for the Battle Factory though.

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GrandConjuraton
01/02/22 11:58:17 PM
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YookaLaylee posted...
Its hard if youre 5 years old


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