Current Events > Fighting game developers are fucking geniuses.

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They know pretty much every player doesnt want an incomplete roster so theyll pay whatever it costs to get those extra characters.
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Thats how its always been.

But fighting games originated in the arcades where all you had to do is walk on over to the newest update of Street Fighter II to play as the latest characters.

when those updates came to home console, you have to pay full price each and every time or wait a while for a sale.


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I hate casual fighting game fans. You don't give a shit about Anna not being in Tekken 7 but you're still gonna act like it's an earth shattering deal breaker anyway.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

I hate casual fighting game fans. You don't give a shit about Anna not being in Tekken 7 but you're still gonna act like it's an earth shattering deal breaker anyway.

Irish erasure is a big deal

DBZF fans are the literal worst. They've never played a fighting game in their life and knows nothing about the FGC, and yet they want to interject like they're some know-it-all elite all around gamer.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

DBZF fans are the literal worst. They've never played a fighting game in their life and knows nothing about the FGC, and yet they want to interject like they're some know-it-all elite all around gamer.

This sounds like a separate subject.
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Yes I'm derailing your topic to shit on awful FG fans.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Yes I'm derailing your topic to shit on awful FG fans.

Well yes, the fighting game community is the most miserable pile of filth in all of gaming. So actually you make a good point that they get what they deserve with the DLC extortion.
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EffectAndCause posted...

Well yes, the fighting game community is the most miserable pile of filth in all of gaming. So actually you make a good point that they get what they deserve with the DLC extortion.

there are worse fandoms in the videogame communities.

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Bass_X0 posted...

there are worse fandoms in the videogame communities.

True, Im sure there are weeby JRPG communities that im unfamiliar with.
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gamers are such easy targets


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Bass_X0 posted...

there are worse fandoms in the videogame communities.

I post reasons why I think FG fans are crap. Why are the fans from other communities crap?

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Ive loved Mortal Kombat my entire life, and holy shit it seems like the MK fanbase doesnt even enjoy the game that theyre playing, yet they put more hours into MK11 than I probably have the entire series combined.
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fighting games are my favorite genre of video game

the FGC is a dumpster fire

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FL81 posted...

fighting games are my favorite genre of video game

the FGC is a dumpster fire

Same here, as ive aged and now have a full time job/family ive leaned more towards games I can pick up, play for a little while and put down while having a feeling of accomplishment, and fighting games fit that bill perfectly. However I stay FAR away from online and/or ranked play in every fighting game I play.

Me: I love these characters and their cool moves, also the single player story mode was a lot of fun.
Them: OMG THEY MADE CHANGES TO THE HITBOX FRAMES NEUTRAL MIDS WHATEVER FIGHTING GAME JARGON
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I generally like the way fighting games do dlc :V

I find the current state of fighting games really off-putting tbh. Like on one hand it's cool that they can add new characters and stuff but I hate the idea of having to purchase a game piecemeal, and since I'm not the type to main characters it will always feel like I'm missing out if I don't have characters. It just feels like if you buy a fighting game now you're not getting the whole thing

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eston posted...

It just feels like if you buy a fighting game now you're not getting the whole thing

You never get the whole thing in Fighting Games. They've always been hidden and secret characters you have to unlock to get them.

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Maybe I just dont understand how software works, but when I purchased the Granblue Fantasy Versus DLC, there werent any actual downloads that took place.

Does that mean they were already in-game and I just paid to unlock them?

If so then my God fighting game developers are absolute Chads even more than I already thought.
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Bass_X0 posted...

Thats how its always been.

But fighting games originated in the arcades where all you had to do is walk on over to the newest update of Street Fighter II to play as the latest characters.

when those updates came to home console, you have to pay full price each and every time or wait a while for a sale.

Nah. Older fighting games had great sized rosters compared to now. Capcom vs SNK 2 had 48 playable characters. Marvel vs Capcom 2 had 56. Marvel vs Capcom 3 had a base roster of 36.

I hate the direction fighters have gone.

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NoxObscuras posted...

Nah. Older fighting games had great sized rosters compared to now. Capcom vs SNK 2 had 48 playable characters. Marvel vs Capcom 2 had 56. Marvel vs Capcom 3 had a base roster of 36.

I hate the direction fighters have gone.

Thats pretty cherry picked, and those were later revisions of other games

Mvc2 is basically the 7th revision of x men children of atom or some shit

The absolute worst part of it all is, that if you wait long enough for a Definitive Edition release, or a big sale with all of the content for cheap, the game will be long dead by then

Nowadays communities for any given fighting game shrivel up within two months of release, and the fragmentation from not having cross-platform play only makes it worse

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

You never get the whole thing in Fighting Games. They've always been hidden and secret characters you have to unlock to get them.

I'm genuinely not sure what this has to do with what I posted. Characters you can unlock by playing the game are not missing from the game

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NoxObscuras posted...

Nah. Older fighting games had great sized rosters compared to now. Capcom vs SNK 2 had 48 playable characters. Marvel vs Capcom 2 had 56. Marvel vs Capcom 3 had a base roster of 36.

I hate the direction fighters have gone.

Tekken 7 has 51 and SFV has 45 lmao

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eston posted...

I'm genuinely not sure what this has to do with what I posted. Characters you can unlock by playing the game are not missing from the game

So DLC characters you can unlock later is the deal breaker for you?

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ImAMarvel posted...

Honestly, I still want to like fighting games, but the FGC itself is such a shitshow that I honestly want to distance myself from them hard. I don't think I've played a fighting game in at least a year.

What about them specifically lol

Fighting games are the best period.

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UndefeatedGOAT posted...

Thats pretty cherry picked, and those were later revisions of other games

Mvc2 is basically the 7th revision of x men children of atom or some shit

Not intentionally cherry picking. Those were just my favorite fighting games of the early 2000's lol

Veggeta_MAX posted...

Tekken 7 has 51 and SFV has 45 lmao

But that's my problem. Both of those games didn't start out with that many characters. I mean Tekken is in Season Pass 4. It just feels greedy.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

So DLC characters you can unlock later is the deal breaker for you?

Having to keep buying more and more characters just to have a full roster is the deal breaker

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NoxObscuras posted...

But that's my problem. Both of those games didn't start out with that many characters.

Funny because when these games first came out there were tons of people outraging over some characters not returning. A smaller roster doesn't help these games sell.

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Fighting games are stuck in the past. So many of them do nothing to penalise rage quitters.

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NoxObscuras posted...

Not intentionally cherry picking. Those were just my favorite fighting games of the early 2000's lol

But that's my problem. Both of those games didn't start out with that many characters. I mean Tekken is in Season Pass 4. It just feels greedy.

well we see most new fighting games, games that aren't asset flips, come out with 16-24 characters, and even then often times games still get delayed

if a game has way more its usually a naruto ninja storm derivative

the fact that people who bought street fighter V on launch, and bought it yesterday are all in the same player pool is better then that game being 5 different games

LightningAce11 posted...

So many of them do nothing to penalise rage quitters.

I believe they do in SFV.

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EffectAndCause posted...

Maybe I just dont understand how software works, but when I purchased the Granblue Fantasy Versus DLC, there werent any actual downloads that took place.

Does that mean they were already in-game and I just paid to unlock them?

If so then my God fighting game developers are absolute Chads even more than I already thought.

What you're describing reminds me of the worst shit in MK9, where the compatibility packs were optional so someone that paid for the DLC characters wouldn't be able to use them if their opponent was a coward. Compatibility updates for multiplayer games with DLC are essential.

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MJOLNRVII posted...

What you're describing reminds me of the worst shit in MK9, where the compatibility packs were optional so someone that paid for the DLC characters wouldn't be able to use them if their opponent was a coward. Compatibility updates for multiplayer games with DLC are essential.

What do you mean?

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EffectAndCause posted...

They know pretty much every player doesnt want an incomplete roster so theyll pay whatever it costs to get those extra characters.

Is this true? Because I just buy characters I want to play with, don't care about a complete roster. Maybe I'll do a poll on it.

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smoke_break posted...

Is this true? Because I just buy characters I want to play with, don't care about a complete roster. Maybe I'll do a poll on it.

im in a few fighting game discords, there are lots of people like you, you might be the majority

I do miss it when a character gets unlocked when you beat the game with a certain character.

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In MK9 if you didn't buy let's say Rain for example then you had the option of downloading an optional compatibility update so that you'd be able to fight him in your game. If you don't download this then you stop everyone you play against from having the option to use Rain, so you could essentially buy DLC for a game that doesn't do anything if your opponent says no. DLC characters need to be included in updates, so ofc you aren't downloading the whole character

Imagine if you're playing Borderlands or some shit and the compatibility updates were optional there too, so then some of your DLC guns just stop existing in your inventory when you join a random game. I don't play it with randoms, but that's the first thing that came to mind <_<

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MJOLNRVII posted...

In MK9 if you didn't buy let's say Rain for example then you had the option of downloading an optional compatibility update so that you'd be able to fight him in your game. If you don't download this then you stop everyone you play against from having the option to use Rain, so you could essentially buy DLC for a game that doesn't do anything if your opponent says no. DLC characters need to be included in updates, so ofc you aren't downloading the whole character

Imagine if you're playing Borderlands or some shit and the compatibility updates were optional there too, so then some of your DLC guns just stop existing in your inventory when you join a random game. I don't play it with randoms, but that's the first thing that came to mind <_<

lol thats awesome

so i could delete UI goku vegito and gogeta?

whats the downside?

TBH DLC characters should be there in training mode for people to try out and lab against, otherwise it just feels like pay to win if you don't know the match up.

Sometimes the meta has developed around these characters and by not spending extra money you're being left out.

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Unlocking new characters using in-game currency isn't exclusive to Fighting Games.

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I just don't like paying full price knowing that extra paid content is on the way.

Why would I pay 60 bucks + a 20$ season pass when I can wait and get all of it for 40 bucks

PowerOats posted...

I just don't like paying full price knowing that extra paid content is on the way.

Why would I pay 60 bucks + a 20$ season pass when I can wait and get all of it for 40 bucks

Right so you'd rather pay 60 bucks for SF2 and then another 60 bucks for SF2T. These greedy and scummy ways to milk you consumers ain't new but yall act like it's brand new.

It's like complaining about WAP being the first pro-hoe song there's been plenty of pro-hoe songs before. People just want to complain.

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No I'd just wait until Super Turbo comes out

First and last time I did that was with Marvel 3

Paid full price, played for a month, sold it. Few months later UMVC3 in announced and I buy that.

EffectAndCause posted...

Maybe I just dont understand how software works, but when I purchased the Granblue Fantasy Versus DLC, there werent any actual downloads that took place.

Does that mean they were already in-game and I just paid to unlock them?

If so then my God fighting game developers are absolute Chads even more than I already thought.

That is definitely a thing that happens nowadays, but I think with GBVS it was just Beelzebub who was already on disc. And unlockable as well iirc.

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Yeah I was able to get Beelzebub by completing the story mode and he was also available for instant access at a price. However when I bought everyone else there werent like downloads to add them to the game. I just clicked purchase and when I opened the game the lock icons were gone and that was it.

Only thing I can think of is they just add the character data to the game with the patches so its just ready to go upon purchase, which I guess isnt technically the same thing as on-disc DLC, though it basically is paying to unlock them.
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