Current Events > No vegans, I'm not going to eat dogs

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Please dont try to equate dogs and cats with livestock.

theyre not the same.

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Hot Dogs yes, but I dont think there is literal dog in Hot Dogs.

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Why aren't they the same? Would you eat a horse? Pigs are smarter than dogs, do you eat pigs?

I'm not a vegeterian but all domestic mammals are capable of love and have family, language, and complex lives

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Njolk posted...

Why aren't they the same? Would you eat a horse? Pigs are smarter than dogs, do you eat pigs?

I'm not a vegeterian but all domestic mammals are capable of love and have family, language, and complex lives

Why don't vegans eat grass and tulips?

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Njolk posted...

Why aren't they the same? Would you eat a horse? Pigs are smarter than dogs, do you eat pigs?

here we go

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_HayleyWilliams posted...

Why don't vegans eat grass and tulips?

They're inedible

Horses are perfectly edible

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i actually ate dog meat once, didn't like it.
honestly didn't understand why people eat it when chicken, cow, pig, and goat meats are easily available.


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Njolk posted...

Why aren't they the same? Would you eat a horse? Pigs are smarter than dogs, do you eat pigs?

I'm not a vegeterian but all domestic mammals are capable of love and have family, language, and complex lives

because we didn't spend fifty thousand years breeding pigs to communicate with us

your second statement is true, but the extent to which other animals can communicate/bond with us is not nearly as substantial as dogs

i can't really argue with respect to cats, the human/cat relationship is mostly symbiotic, but dogs are our mind slaves, and eating them would make us illithid

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Njolk posted...

Why aren't they the same? Would you eat a horse? Pigs are smarter than dogs, do you eat pigs?

I'm not a vegeterian but all domestic mammals are capable of love and have family, language, and complex lives

We literally bred dogs for millenia to be workers/companions who love us. Dogs as a whole have a ton of traits that are utterly useless to them without the presence of humans.

Modern pigs are the result of millenia of breeding them to be food.

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I'm not going to eat a dog because there's not much meat there and also predators just don't taste good.

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Pigs taste good

Gladius_ posted...

An easy counter? Bunnies are cute. We eat them too.

Bro.

Lamb.

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Gladius_ posted...

Sackgurl posted...

because we didn't spend fifty thousand years breeding pigs to communicate with us

your second statement is true, but the extent to which other animals can communicate/bond with us is not nearly as substantial as dogs

i can't really argue with respect to cats, the human/cat relationship is mostly symbiotic, but dogs are our mind slaves, and eating them would make us illithid

This. Dogs were also integral to our development and it's very likely that we wouldn't be the society we are today without them. This is why we don't eat dogs and it has a lot more to deal with the above than the detractors screaming "People don't want to eat them because they're cute." An easy counter? Bunnies are cute. We eat them too.

I've always never really understood this line of reason. Like.. I get it, but I don't think it really gets to the point that is being argued. Like, yes, society has different rational for why they don't eat different types of animals.

The overall question of why we eat meat still remains though. "I eat these animals because they've been bred to be eaten" doesn't really say anything imo.

Like, people should just say it's because they think it tastes good and it's not worth cutting it out.
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Gladius_ posted...

This. Dogs were also integral to our development and it's very likely that we wouldn't be the society we are today without them. This is why we don't eat dogs and it has a lot more to deal with the above than the detractors screaming "People don't want to eat them because they're cute." An easy counter? Bunnies are cute. We eat them too.

I'm just advocating for the vegan point of view though

"We raise livestock for food so it's ok" is TCs counterpoint to veganism. You're raising conscious beings for food. That is why vegans think it's wrong. Who cares about our history with them? A pig can still love you as deeply as a dog.

And I'm not a vegan but I see their side

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Ricemills posted...

i actually ate dog meat once, didn't like it.
honestly didn't understand why people eat it when chicken, cow, pig, and goat meats are easily available.

Dog meat was popularized in places where that wasnt true. It became part of the culture in some places.

pikachupwnage posted...

We literally bred dogs for millenia to be workers/companions who love us. Dogs as a whole have a ton of traits that are utterly useless to them without the presence of humans.

Modern pigs are the result of millenia of breeding them to be food.

You dont want to eat dogs. Thats fine. But your rationale for eating pigs is we have always done so. Thats usually the worst argument you can make in many scenarios. Just because it is something people have done a long time does not make it right or moral.

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Gladius_ posted...

Yes but my argument argues the history IS what matters. That's the difference between a dog or a pig. Note I have owned a pet pig before so it isn't a lack of attachment issue. I always wouldn't be able to hurt my pig because he was our companion. However, that doesn't mean I have stopped eating pig.

But you wouldn't eat dog?

If I can eat pig meat I personally could also eat dog meat, I don't see why history matters tbh. They're both equally conscious beings

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Gladius_ posted...

There's also the fact that without meat in your diet you must jump through hoops in order to hit our right value when it comes to having the proper vitamins/nutrients. Even then there's studies showing that may not be enough in the long run. We are omnivores that are designed to function with a wide dietary range. Meat is a necessary evil for our development.

I agree meat is a necessary evil but I'm just responding to TCs point. As if somehow eating pigs is ok because he won't eat dogs

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I love dogs and would eat it if offered to me. There are dog breeds for food too

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Have you ever met a cow that wasnt bred for slaughter? They will melt your heart as much as any dog.

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Actually, around 30 million dogs are consumed by humans per year.

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I dont understand the point of this topic.

okay you wont eat dogs. So what?

I dont even understand the vegan angle. Do vegans think non-vegans not wanting to eat certain animals is a gotcha? Cause its not.

Gladius_ posted...

This. Dogs were also integral to our development and it's very likely that we wouldn't be the society we are today without them. This is why we don't eat dogs and it has a lot more to deal with the above than the detractors screaming "People don't want to eat them because they're cute." An easy counter? Bunnies are cute. We eat them too.

Integral to our development and its very likely we wouldnt be the society we are today without them is a statement that absolutely applies to livestock just as much, if not more, than dogs as well but you dont consider that a reason not to eat them. Its not a logical argument.

I have never been admonished by a vegan for the lifestyle I live.

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Gladius_ posted...

You don't see why history matters when we are on the subject discussing the fact that we wouldn't even exist as a society without canines?

History matters in all context and by ignoring history we are doomed to repeat it. There are many things we do or don't do because of the ramifications they have had on history or how it's happened via historical circumstance. The history of things is probably the most important basis for societal changes as well as rules.

There's quite a bit of difference between..

"We wouldn't exist without livestock because they were integral to our development and propagation as a species due to being an important resource in our diet."

And

"We wouldn't survive without canines due to the role that they have provided in our development as supportive companions that were bred to fill different niches and tasks that couldn't have been as easily done without them."

A big difference.

Vegans are arguing on a moral ground. "Our morals have always been cruel" isn't a gotcha to them

I understand why we don't eat dogs, that's not what I'm arguing

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Gladius_ posted...

Njolk posted...

Vegans are arguing on a moral ground. "Our morals have always been cruel" isn't a gotcha to them

I understand why we don't eat dogs, that's not what I'm arguing

Well, that's the main argument. Historical context and the fact that we make it a habit to not ignore history. It's really that simple.

What's the reason for why we should keep eating non dog animals?
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Gladius_ posted...

There's also the fact that without meat in your diet you must jump through hoops in order to hit our right value when it comes to having the proper vitamins/nutrients. Even then there's studies showing that may not be enough in the long run. We are omnivores that are designed to function with a wide dietary range. Meat is a necessary evil for our development.

I won't speak to the long-term studies, but on a daily basis this is largely an overblown issue. It is relatively easy to get all the nutrients you need even from vegetarian/vegan diets.

Gladius_ posted...

History matters in all context and by ignoring history we are doomed to repeat it. There are many things we do or don't do because of the ramifications they have had on history or how it's happened via historical circumstance. The history of things is probably the most important basis for societal changes as well as rules.

And it isn't always a good thing. There are plenty of negative examples of society not changing for the better because "we have always done it this way".

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just keep stuffing your faces with meat, you stubborn, ignorant fucks.

we're about to reap what we've sown soon enough.

Gladius_ posted...

emblem boy posted...

What's the reason for why we should keep eating non dog animals?

I already outlined it with the above. We do not have the attachment associated with non-dog animals because they literally were not key to our development by fulfilling niches (outside of being food.) for our development as a species.

I'm asking why we should continue to eat them. Unless your reason is, "because we always have"
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emblem boy posted...

I'm asking why we should continue to eat them. Unless your reason is, "because we always have"

"because we want to destroy the biophysical basis for planetary health and habitat for all animals (including human), and commit mass torture on an industrial scale"
that's the only answer

that's precisely what modern animal agriculture is doing so you can just ignore it, that's fine

like i said, the consequences are coming hard and fast now

What a fucking weird digression

I'm painfully aware the myriad predicaments the human population is currently facing. I was under the impression this specific topic was about meat consumption

Gladius_ posted...

The problem comes from our need to sustain our ever growing population

A problem largely exacerbated by our insistence on dedicating such ungodly amounts of useful land to growing crops to feed livestock rather than consuming directly, a massive and completely untenable waste of resources and energy

People that make topics like these always eat dogs

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Gladius_ posted...

Also answered, because of nutritional value. As mentioned, studies are inconclusive if switching to non-meat alternatives are beneficial to our long term health. We as a species are designed to require a very wide nutritional value.

Not answered. You can 100% of the nutrients you require from vegan/vegetarian sources. You cited long-term studies saying it had detrimental health effects then backed it off to long-term studies being up in the air.

Gladius_ posted...

Eating dogs isn't going to suddenly improve our lives so it isn't one of those examples.

No one is advocating we add dogs to the menu. People are saying since we shouldn't be eating other sentient creatures. Morally there is no difference between eating a dog or a pig. "Because it has always been this way" is why we have done so in the past, but it isn't a moral justification to continue to do so.

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Njolk posted...

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But you wouldn't eat dog?

If I can eat pig meat I personally could also eat dog meat, I don't see why history matters tbh. They're both equally conscious beings

Going by that mindset, wouldn't you eat humans too?
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Dogs are honorary humans, and cats are gods.

Next question.

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The vegans are right. You should eat dog if you feel like it and can source it legally.

Its probably yummy if raised for consimptions.

Id never eat dog or cat but there are a lot of feral ones that could be eaten tbf

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Gladius_ posted...

Nice strawman. I will take your concession.

no he's actually right on that

i eat meat but am aware of the ecological impact, and so i try to trim it to just what i need for my macronutrients, and i mostly don't eat beef or pork anymore--not because i think cows deserve the enshrined place that dogs earned in our society, but because industrial production of chicken meat produces way less CO2.

just to quick run down this ecological argument, dogs are omnivores with a high fraction of calories that must come from meat derived sources, so producing a pound of dog meat requires far more CO2 emission than producing a pound of almost any "traditional" livestock, so the ecological argument also implies eating dog meat is worse.

The_Yahtz09 posted...

Morally there is no difference between eating a dog or a pig.

morally, there is: when you eat dog meat, there's a much higher chance that it was a stolen pet than when you eat pig meat. the industrial meat farming process is cruel, but we largely tolerate it. i think most folks understand that stealing someone's pet and eating it is fucking wrong, though.

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