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i need to use din's fire to progress, I have 0 magic and have literally spent the past 15 minutes going through all the early rooms breaking pots and crates only to get no magic refills at all

like what kind of shit ass game design is this. if i have zero magic you can't set your magic drop RNG to like 75% or something? holy shit.

wow resetting the game (emulator rofl) worked. who'd have thought.

Why would you need Din's fire in the fire temple? I think the only time you actually need it is to get into the Shadow Temple.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Why would you need Din's fire in the fire temple? I think the only time you actually need it is to get into the Shadow Temple.

i'm actually playing master quest so it's probably different

but yeah actually that stumped me at first. i assumed din's fire was optional, and in order to even get past the first area on the map you need to use din's fire lol.

What kinda run are you doing? I don't recall fire temple needing Din's in any kind of run.

Also, the RNG does weigh itself to your lacking resources. Might be an emu thing?

ohh master quest

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GirTheRobot posted...

i'm actually playing master quest

I've never done that. Maybe someday I will.

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GirTheRobot posted...

i'm actually playing master quest so it's probably different

Oh yeah, MQ is kinda wack at points.

There's a glitch in the fire temple portion of Ganondorf's Castle where you have to collect silver rupees and some of them just don't register.

Guide posted...

What kinda run are you doing? I don't recall fire temple needing Din's in any kind of run.

Also, the RNG does weigh itself to your lacking resources. Might be an emu thing?

ohh master quest

yeah i reset the emu and it started me at the beginning of the fire temple. those first two pots had magic potions.

so whatever. guess i'll keep that in mind :shrug:

_Rinku_ posted...

Oh yeah, MQ is kinda wack at points.

There's a glitch in the fire temple portion of Ganondorf's Castle where you have to collect silver rupees and some of them just don't register.

fuck that lol

i will add i played the OG OoT 15 years ago so this game is basically brand new to me. i wouldn't be able to tell you any differences between OoT and MQ.

GirTheRobot posted...

fuck that lol

i will add i played the OG OoT 15 years ago so this game is basically brand new to me. i wouldn't be able to tell you any differences between OoT and MQ.

I think you can reset to fix it if it happens, but I know it killed my drive to finish MQ as a kid. I went back and finished it, so it must be fixable...

My favorite thing about MQ was the addition of cows to Jabu-Jabu's Belly.

MQ is designed in the same style as the original LoZ second quest-- it's made to be unfair, to force you to back out of dungeons and come back prepared, as if you're playing against a malicious dungeon master. It's definitely not for everyone, although I enjoyed it.

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_Rinku_ posted...

I think you can reset to fix it if it happens, but I know it killed my drive to finish MQ as a kid. I went back and finished it, so it must be fixable...

My favorite thing about MQ was the addition of cows to Jabu-Jabu's Belly.

bro ngl this has left a really bad taste in my mouth and i'm not sure i want to continue lol. i'm beginning to think i should've just replayed OoT instead. but i'm over halfway through this game. feels bad to have to look up guides to figure out puzzles lol.

Polycosm posted...

MQ is designed in the same style as the original LoZ second quest-- it's made to be unfair, to force you to back out of dungeons and come back prepared, as if you're playing against a malicious dungeon master. It's definitely not for everyone, although I enjoyed it.

i chose MQ because i find zelda games a bit too easy in general and wanted an extra challenge.

GirTheRobot posted...

i chose MQ because i find zelda games a bit too easy in general and wanted an extra challenge.

I would suggest a three heart challenge. I'm not a fan of it, but lots of people do. You either get good or you tolerate a near constant beeping noise.

Polycosm posted...

MQ is designed in the same style as the original LoZ second quest-- it's made to be unfair, to force you to back out of dungeons and come back prepared, as if you're playing against a malicious dungeon master. It's definitely not for everyone, although I enjoyed it.

I don't remember anything in MQ being just offensively difficult, but it has been a loooooooooong time.

_Rinku_ posted...

I would suggest a three heart challenge. I'm not a fan of it, but lots of people do. You either get good or you tolerate a near constant beeping noise.

I don't remember anything in MQ being just offensively difficult, but it has been a loooooooooong time.

so far it's fine. it's just that some of the puzzles definitely make me scratch my head. the iron knight wrecked me the first time because one hit took out half of my hearts lol. but i've played enough dark souls bro.

_Rinku_ posted...

I don't remember anything in MQ being just offensively difficult, but it has been a loooooooooong time.

I think that's right... MQ definitely doesn't have the same types of hellish combat gauntlets that the LoZ 2nd quest does in its later dungeons. What they have in common is that they're just plain mean to the player sometimes.

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Nothing Zelda has done will ever be more utter bullshit than red bubbles in LOZ's second quest.

man i definitely should have played OOT over MQ

i mean just look at this shit from the IGN guide

Stand on the closest edge and power up a spin attack. Let it rip and it'll trigger the switch.
Climb back up to the room above and look for a blocked off corner behind metal bars. Perform another spin attack and you'll trigger a hidden switch.

like how the fuck was i supposed to know my spin attack would trigger the switch, and how would i find out there was literally a hidden switch in the crate?

I really liked the changes in enemy variety and occurence in MQ. Like an Iron Knuckle in the Fire Temple and shit.

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pots are actually not random. fire temple is full of magic pots because the devs realized you needed a lot of dins fire (or fire arrows) but after you get magic from a pot it will just be empty unttil you leave the dungeon or save+reset

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Unspecified_NPC posted...

I really liked the changes in enemy variety and occurence in MQ. Like an Iron Knuckle in the Fire Temple and shit.

i liked this too. i'm more than okay with the extra enemies and difficulty on the combat front. i'm a big dark souls fan. but the head-scratching puzzles (and now they seem constant. i'm basically using a walkthrough for the entire fire temple) are a bit too much.

kirbymuncher posted...

pots are actually not random. fire temple is full of magic pots because the devs realized you needed a lot of dins fire (or fire arrows) but after you get magic from a pot it will just be empty unttil you leave the dungeon or save+reset

fuck that lol. fuck pots that keep giving me rupees when I'm maxed out and don't give me arrows, bombs or magic. bollocks to that.

if these temples get even more difficult i'll probably call it quits.

GirTheRobot posted...

i liked this too. i'm more than okay with the extra enemies and difficulty on the combat front. i'm a big dark souls fan. but the head-scratching puzzles (and now they seem constant. i'm basically using a walkthrough for the entire fire temple) are a bit too much.

fuck that lol. fuck pots that keep giving me rupees when I'm maxed out and don't give me arrows, bombs or magic. bollocks to that.

if these temples get even more difficult i'll probably call it quits.

Nothing wrong with a guide tbh. Especially just using it for a part or two, I had to myself once or twice for bullshit placed things (particularly one point in the Spirit Temple.)

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Unspecified_NPC posted...

Nothing wrong with a guide tbh. Especially just using it for a part or two, I had to myself once or twice for bullshit placed things (particularly one point in the Spirit Temple.)

I'm okay with using a guide every now and then. But like I said, at this point I've basically used it for almost the entire fire temple lol.

Master Quest is awful. It's like a shitty romhack.

geno_16 posted...

Master Quest is awful. It's like a shitty romhack.

this is what i'm starting to think

ugh i should've just played OoT. for the third in the fire temple i had to leave and come back in just so i could get some magic for din's fire... turned out i didn't even need it LOL

bro how shitty is water temple gonna be?

The MQ Fire Temple is the worst dungeon in the game.

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DarkChozoGhost posted...

The MQ Fire Temple is the worst dungeon in the game.

well if it gets better i'm more inclined to stick with it

Yeah. I haven't played it in a pretty long while but I remember that dungeon being distinctly my least favorite between both regular and master quest.

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Master Quest requires knowledge of exploiting certain mechanics later on . No shame in looking up a guide. There's a puzzle involving silver rupees that can you just walk into, but can't grab. Apparently you're supposed to be doing backflips to "collect" them.
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goddammit I had a dream about the MQ version of the Fire Temple because of this topic

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Beveren_Rabbit posted...

Master Quest requires knowledge of exploiting certain mechanics later on . No shame in looking up a guide. There's a puzzle involving silver rupees that can you just walk into, but can't grab. Apparently you're supposed to be doing backflips to "collect" them.

FUCK.

THAT.

bro i think i skipped half of the fire temple lol

i'm reading the IGN guide and there are paragraphs and paragraphs of stuff to do after what I did. i thought the temple seemed way shorter than forest temple. you know that big switch with a face on it that goes down to the boss key room? i just hit that and rode it down and walked in...

awesome lol

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

Master Quest requires knowledge of exploiting certain mechanics later on . No shame in looking up a guide. There's a puzzle involving silver rupees that can you just walk into, but can't grab. Apparently you're supposed to be doing backflips to "collect" them.

Where was this at? I played it earlier this year and don't recall this at all. Also, TC, the Fire Temple is probably the most annoying dungeon in MQ. I don't recall even the Water Temple being all that bad apart from one puzzle. Just keep in mind that you really have to go out of your way on some parts to get the Gold Skulltulas, though that's the case for many of the dungeons.

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Shadowplay posted...

Where was this at? I played it earlier this year and don't recall this at all. Also, TC, the Fire Temple is probably the most annoying dungeon in MQ. I don't recall even the Water Temple being all that bad apart from one puzzle. Just keep in mind that you really have to go out of your way on some parts to get the Gold Skulltulas, though that's the case for many of the dungeons.

apparently i literally just skipped two or three gold skulltulas. i don't even care. as long as i get to 30.

GirTheRobot posted...

apparently i literally just skipped two or three gold skulltulas. i don't even care. as long as i get to 30.

Yeah those rooms are used as normal rooms in the regular version of the game. I think most of the dungeons in Master Quest have rooms that are used for Gold Skulltulas that were used as main areas of the dungeon in the regular version of the game.

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Shadowplay posted...

Where was this at? I played it earlier this year and don't recall this at all. Also, TC, the Fire Temple is probably the most annoying dungeon in MQ. I don't recall even the Water Temple being all that bad apart from one puzzle. Just keep in mind that you really have to go out of your way on some parts to get the Gold Skulltulas, though that's the case for many of the dungeons.

Ganondorf's tower. There's a platform that goes up and down. When you go on it there's a silver rupee that touch's Link, but the hitbox doesn't reach because you gotta back flip onto it.
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just got biggoron's sword, gonna start water temple soon

just beat water temple. waaayyy better than that BS fire temple. only had to use the guide once. i liked it.

I remember being able to skip like 85% of the Fire Temple in Master Quest. Cant you do that because they place the hammer and boss key so early on?

BroodRyu posted...

I remember being able to skip like 85% of the Fire Temple in Master Quest. Cant you do that because they place the hammer and boss key so early on?

much of the dungeon is just used for getting gold skulltulas and yeah you get the hammer really early

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BroodRyu posted...

I remember being able to skip like 85% of the Fire Temple in Master Quest. Cant you do that because they place the hammer and boss key so early on?

yeah read up above. i basically skipped like half the fire temple. you still have to do some BS puzzles before then (like guessing that din's fire is necessary, then timing some weird stuff with it and hope you don't run out of magic...also guessing to hit a switch with your sword spin attack. just fuck it.)

how should i feel about the shadow temple?

shadow temple the most boring MQ dungeon. it's not really fun or clever but it's also not particularly offensive or bad either

whether this puts it above or below average dpends on how you feel about the rest of the dungeons I guess

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kirbymuncher posted...

shadow temple the most boring MQ dungeon. it's not really fun or clever but it's also not particularly offensive or bad either

whether this puts it above or below average dpends on how you feel about the rest of the dungeons I guess

I liked forest temple a lot. hated fire temple. enjoyed water temple well enough though it was honestly a little too linear.

How did you like the Ice Cavern?

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Shadowplay posted...

How did you like the Ice Cavern?

it was fine. i had to look up a little solution because i didn't know that navi randomly turning green in the middle of the air meant i could summon a song of time block...