Current Events > Cars going to have to include breathalyzers as part of the infrastructure bill.

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pinky0926 posted...

It will naturally have to be hardwired into your car so deeply to prevent tampering that only a certified mechanic at your dealership can maintain it.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/g543/6-ways-detroit-gamed-the-cafe-standards/?slide=3

Skip-Shift
Beginning in the late 1980s, GM added a solenoid actuator to the Chevy Corvette's six-speed manual transmission. If you eased away from a traffic light and shifted between 12 and 17 mph, then the computer-controlled solenoid would lock out the gate to second gear, guiding the lever into fourth. This "skip shift" saved fuel because of lower engine rpm and pumping losses. It was a tiny gas savings, but enough for the Corvette to avoid a gas-guzzler tax. If you were in any kind of a hurry (and if you weren't, why would you drive a 'Vette?), then the solenoid did nothing.

Still, the feature was universally hated, but owners could disable it by disconnecting just one wire. The owner's manual even had a photograph of the solenoid, showing where the wiring to the computer was connected. The photograph was cleverly captioned to caution drivers not to disconnect this wire, or the skip-shift function would no longer function.

Questionmarktarius posted...

https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/g543/6-ways-detroit-gamed-the-cafe-standards/?slide=3

hah!

Basically, I like parts of the idea in principle, but nothing about what I know about car engineering leads me to believe this will be a good idea.

How many clever ideas in your car just turn out to be annoying lights on your dashboard at best or giant fucking bills you have to pay for later at worst? I honestly can't stand expensive and unreliable novelty features, and this really seems like yet another one.

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Sounds like a respiratory issue lawsuit waiting to happen

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But what about my right to be an inconsiderate piece of shit and jeopardize the lives of everyone around me because I can't not have 8 drinks on a Wednesday afternoon?!

MUH. RIGHTS.

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PoundGarden posted...

But what about my right to be an inconsiderate piece of shit and jeopardize the lives of everyone around me because I can't not have 8 drinks on a Wednesday afternoon?!

...because some jackhole driving around completely sauced in a 1978 Honda Civic is totally going to be stopped by adding a couple thousand dollars to the price of a car, and then a couple thousand more when the "drunkard detector" suddenly breaks and the car has to be towed for repairs.

Good

fuck drunk drivers they deserve the worst fate

Questionmarktarius posted...

...because some jackhole driving around completely sauced in a 1978 Honda Civic is totally going to be stopped by adding a couple thousand dollars to the price of a car, and then a couple thousand more when the "drunkard detector" suddenly breaks and the car has to be towed for repairs.

You're right, things have been going swimmingly, we should just continue to do literally nothing about drunk drivers.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

...because some jackhole driving around completely sauced in a 1978 Honda Civic is totally going to be stopped by adding a couple thousand dollars to the price of a car, and then a couple thousand more when the "drunkard detector" suddenly breaks and the car has to be towed for repairs.

Also, the jackholes that I know who seem to think that drunk driving is amusing are exactly the same sort of assholes who have the know-how to hotwire a car's computer to ignore a feature like this


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pinky0926 posted...

Also, the jackholes that I know who seem to think that drunk driving is amusing are exactly the same sort of assholes who have the know-how to hotwire a car's computer to ignore a feature like this

You really think that won't be investigated if a car that shouldn't start if the operator is impaired, starts with an impaired operator and ends up getting pulled over or wrecking? That's the first thing that will be looked at lol, and one an assume there would be hefty fines/jail time for attempting to remove, alter or bypass the device.

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PoundGarden posted...

You're right, things have been going swimmingly, we should just continue to do literally nothing about drunk drivers.

Quite an effective measure in Scotland was reducing the allowed legal limit from "about a pint and a bit" down to 3/4s of a pint.

Suddenly people just stopped driving to the pub after work. "if you can't even have a pint why bother", basically.

what's the limit in the usa? Isn't it basically like two pints of beer for a big guy? Anecdotally, I observe that people wouldn't drink drive if they just didn't go for "just a pint" to begin with.

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I have long haulers and don't have the long capacity to go on a long haul

Thanks daddy government

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PoundGarden posted...

You really think that won't be investigated if a car that shouldn't start if the operator is impaired, starts with an impaired operator and ends up getting pulled over or wrecking? That's the first thing that will be looked at lol, and one an assume there would be hefty fines/jail time for attempting to remove, alter or bypass the device.

If you're asking me do I think that the kind of asshole who'd drink and drive in the first place would think through this situation carefully, then no I don't. I used to hang with guys like that, they take it as a point of pride to make their cars illegal and try and get away with it.

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Does the car make you wear a chastity device and watch your girlfriend sleep with another man?

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I would completely be for this if I thought the technology was there. But the fact that I could accidentally blow high because I used mouth wash or any other number of potential short-comings just makes it seem not viable at this moment.

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This sounds like "guilty before proven innocent"...

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Compsognathus posted...

I would completely be for this if I thought the technology was there. But the fact that I could accidentally blow high because I used mouth wash or any other number of potential short-comings just makes it seem not viable at this moment.

Use mouthwash, and then have your car not start. You miss work. Your car reports you to the police and etc. etc.

This is a terrible idea.

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Its just unnecessary government intrusion into every day life. It won't work and will be giant inconvenience for everyone.

Its B.S. that its included in an infrastructure bill. They need a single subject matter rule so they can't slide trash bills through.

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Do you guys have a bottle of mouthwash in your pocket at all times or something? That's a mistake that only happens once, if that. Reads like an excuse.

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So a surface Google search reveals that 30 minutes after using mouthwash you would blow a 0.00

Its not a serious issue some of you are making it out to be

http://nicholsgreen.com/2016/04/mouthwash-can-make-you-fail-a-breathalyzer/

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I think the only caveat I'd give is that it should be legal to be drunk in car without operating it. People should be allowed to sleep/kill time in the car to wait until safe levels. I think it's dumb you can get charged for DUI by just sitting in your car drunk.

Also, the breathalyzer shouldn't alert the cops about someone trying and failing.

Will_VIIII posted...

So a surface Google search reveals that 30 minutes after using mouthwash you would blow a 0.00

Its not a serious issue some of you are making it out to be

http://nicholsgreen.com/2016/04/mouthwash-can-make-you-fail-a-breathalyzer/

bbbbut mah MOUFWASH

Makes sense too because alcohol is in the bloodstream so it's in your breath while it's in your blood. Mouthwash only exists in the mouth which will fade rather quickly.

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Alcohol free mouthwash is also a thing

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