Current Events > C/D There really is no evidence for there being an afterlife

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your opinion?

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if theres an afterlife ill kilo myself in it

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There is none. We live and we die, get over yourself and do what you can to make the life you do get better for yourself and everyone.

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D.

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Who voted deny?

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Who really knows, except the dead.

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There are those interesting stories about how people technically died, are revived and have a story about what they saw. I cant really use that as any kind of facts though so C

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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Who really knows, except the dead.

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if an afterlife exists, idk if we're currently at the stage to extract any kinda physical evidence from it, so C, as far as we currently know.

there are accounts from some people that are similar to others who have had near death experiences/were revived, but they're not uniform across all people who have had those experiences, so I dunno how meaningful that is.

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There is a before birth. Do you guys remember it?

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Counterpoint: we are already in hell

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Ratchetrockon posted...

There is a before birth. Do you guys remember it?

Sorry, do you remember being a baby?

Ratchetrockon posted...

There is a before birth. Do you guys remember it?

there is?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Counterpoint: we are already in hell

you really think the world is in that bad a shape?

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Xethuminra posted...

Sorry, do you remember being a baby?

My earliest memories are throwing up on my mom's shoulder and seeing a blue wall in my room
I was prob 2 to 3 years old tho so not a baby.

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Hell, I cant even remember my dreams half the time. Let alone being an infant. The mind is a funny place.

Ratchetrockon posted...

There is a before birth. Do you guys remember it?

I dont. But my parents think they remember me before I was born. My mom says before she got pregnant some orb of light visited her house. She thinks it was me. I doubt it though

Ratchetrockon posted...

My only memory is throwing up on my mom's shoulder and seeing a blue wall in my room

Your brain is literally not developed enough to form long lasting memories as a baby. Seriously, how do people just make shit up

There is more evidence for reincarnation than there is for an afterlife.

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Winrawr posted...

Your brain is literally not developed enough to form long lasting memories as a baby. Seriously, how do people just make shit up

See my edit lol

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Your brain is literally not developed enough to form long lasting memories as a baby. Seriously, how do people just make shit up

that's not true i remember something from when i was 1

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Wii_Shaker posted...

There is more evidence for reincarnation than there is for an afterlife.

Really? This was always far more interesting to me

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Wii_Shaker posted...

There is more evidence for reincarnation than there is for an afterlife.

there is?

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UT1999 posted...

you really think the world is in that bad a shape?

Even hell has nice parts, like Limbo.


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To be fair there isnt any evidence against it either, but I find the idea quite unlikely given theres not a shred of evidence

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Fluttershy posted...

Your brain is literally not developed enough to form long lasting memories as a baby. Seriously, how do people just make shit up

that's not true i remember something from when i was 1

No, you don't. Your hippocampus literally hasn't developed enough to form enough synaptic connections with other brain structures with the limbic system and cortical spaces required for forming long term memories. Humans cannot form memories until about 4 years old. This phenomenon is called infantile amnesia. Any basic googling or researching will lead you teach you this.

Anyone who claims they have memories as a baby is literally just embarrassing themselves, although I'm assuming their partivular social circles wouldnt know either

Winrawr posted...

Humans cannot form memories until about 4 years old.

Id say a bit earlier than that. I moved to japan a few months after my brother was born in 1999. I was born 1996. i still remember some events prior to moving involving relatives that never set foot in japan so id have been less than 4 years old at the time.

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Ratchetrockon posted...

Id say a bit earlier than that. I moved to japan a few months after my brother was born in 1999. I was born 1996. i still remember some events prior to moving involving relatives that never set foot in japan so id have been less than 4 years old at the time.

4 is the average. Some can remember younger, others can't remember anything from before 7 years old.

However memory is a sketchy subject. Mandela effect memes aside, people are absolutely sure of things in their memories that never actually happened. You can totally remember something from your infancy because your brain made it up later.

Things get a little weird when other people can corroborate their memories though.

Additionally the younger you are, the easier it is to remember your infancy. Children who are two years old can remember things that happened a year ago with regularity.

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As far as we know, sure. Kind of a moot point, though, as even if there is an afterlife there'd be no evidence.

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There is one way to find out if a afterlife is possible though. If we can transfer our concious into something else ala robocop or into a clone body this the possibility for sure would be open ended. Mainly cause we don't know if dark matter is a possible conduit to what we would call the afterlife.

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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Who really knows, except the dead.

The dead can't know anything, their brains aren't working.

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Winrawr posted...

No, you don't. Your hippocampus literally hasn't developed enough to form enough synaptic connections with other brain structures with the limbic system and cortical spaces required for forming long term memories. Humans cannot form memories until about 4 years old. This phenomenon is called infantile amnesia. Any basic googling or researching will lead you teach you this.

Anyone who claims they have memories as a baby is literally just embarrassing themselves, although I'm assuming their partivular social circles wouldnt know either

I have working memory from age 3, and I can remember a few things from when I was 2, and a quick google search says this isn't impossible. The fuck are you so sure of yourself for?

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As an aside, not that anyone here is guilty of this, but "they won't remember anything" in addition to not being completely accurate, is a dangerous tagline frequently used to justify the sexual abuse of toddlers. The less stuff like this gets repeated, the better it is for everyone.

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I remember my 3rd birthday party, but nothing before that

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I can only remember snippets from my past. Usually there's some physical association. Such as the small scar I have from when my head was slammed into a brick wall when I was a toddler.

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Before life > after life

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It would be correct to say there is no evidence.

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What if everybody knew that there was an afterlife?

What if everybody knew that there wasnt an afterlife?

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Who really knows, except the dead.

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It is a fact that there is no evidence

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Depends how you define afterlife. Energy, as we currently understand it, can neither be created nor destroyed. Anything purporting the opposite is purely speculative as of right now.

If energy cannot be destroyed, the energy that makes up the cells in our bodies cannot be destroyed. If time is infinite, as it very well could be, then every eventuality, no matter how unlikely, will eventually come to pass. This includes all of the energy that currently makes up your brains cells coming back together to form a brain again eons from now, granting you a second life, and in fact, an infinite amount of lives, and in fact, the life you have now, surrounded by the same people in the same bodies with the same energy making up the same brain cells in the same planet also made up of the same energy.

Obviously, all of these lives are almost certain to take place a near infinite amount of time apart from each other, but if time is infinite and energy cannot be destroyed, you will experience life again after life and the kicker is you wont experience the eons in between lives because you wont exist during that time.

And the weird part is that, if time is infinite into the past as well, youve already experienced an infinite amount of the life youre currently living.

^ energy cannot be created or destroyed but it can be wasted into an unusable state. Long term we will end up with something known as the heat death of the universe.

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If energy cannot be destroyed, the energy that makes up the cells in our bodies cannot be destroyed.

Your cells are matter, not energy. If they ever become energy, they would retain nothing of the information that the energy was from matter that made cells.

There's no point to saying that "energy" is ever going to be "you" again. Your memories are gone.


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Sure, Ill bite.

In theory, actually, you could experience the longest possible form of your life by design ~ depending on whether or not we are in the primary universe, and if that longest timeline actually nipped the others from the future by simply outweighing their existence by it existing in the first place, or maybe it loops into itself thus cutting the others out. It also depends on how consciousness works on a meta level. In other words: parallel universes.... while (x) creature died in your world, in its primary world it lived on infinitely until all possible situations had come to pass and then theoretically collapsed back in on itself ~ experiencing all the ways it *could* have died, in reverse. Another possibility is reincarnation, we go from 0 to 100: experiencing all of our possible deaths until we reach the ultimate universe in which we never die, and potentially get to experience the rebirth of reality itself. This places a lot of importance on the individual though and calls into question an idea of equality. Are there realities where we get to be other people and would all of that happen in a set sequence? So, thats sort of an intentionally hobbled crash course in a cascading pyramid theory.

Guide posted...

Your cells are matter, not energy. If they ever become energy, they would retain nothing of the information that the energy was from matter that made cells.

There's no point to saying that "energy" is ever going to be "you" again. Your memories are gone.

Your cells are energy at the end of the day. Matter is just a different way of storing energy. You can find out how much energy is in your cells by that handy equation some idiot came up with I think it goes something like E=mc^2

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Your cells are energy at the end of the day. Matter is just a different way of storing energy. You can find out how much energy is in your cells by that handy equation some idiot came up with I think it goes something like E=mc^2

You don't call gas a fire until it's lit, fam.

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In order for your body to retain corporeal existence in the event of death, I can only imagine that it would have to hold incorporeal qualities while alive.

That sounds like a terrible way to live.