Current Events > Horror games where all you can do is run and hide are bad.

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Outlast, Amnesia, whatever.

And I'm tired of pretending like they're not

eh i don't care for them, but they do hit the tension for horror needed. wouldnt say they're bad, just not for me.

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BuckVanHammer posted...

wouldnt say they're bad, just not for me.

This.

"I don't like thing" doesn't equal "thing is bad!"

I agree

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xenomorph dont give a fuck about your guns

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Amnesia is a great game, though, because it does involve actual gameplay. Less so for the sheer trial and error of outlast

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Questionmarktarius posted...

This.

"I don't like thing" doesn't equal "thing is bad!"

But my taste is absolute! I only hate things because they are bad.

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I like watching other people play them but I can't handle it myself. If I can't fight back, it really stresses me out and isn't fun

Resident Evil 2 had a nice balance where you technically *can* fight back, but it's a terrible idea

Subnautica had the perfect balance for me. You can't really fight back (the cost of materials to do so is more work than it's worth), but you can build tools to defend yourself.

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The fact that you can't act completely destroys the atmosphere for me. Couldn't make it through Amnesia because of it. Just felt pointless.

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Zikten posted...

If I can't fight back, it really stresses me out and isn't fun

These sort of games tend to wear out my "oh goddammit" tolerance very quickly.

Horror games where you can fight back aren't scary in the least, so we definitely need these games.

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The problem isn't that the genre is bad. It's that most devs are bad at enemy AI. You either end up with something like Outlast where (on the default difficulty) you can always take a hit and run into a crawl space, or you end up with something Amnesia where it's just waiting for fixed patterns to loop so you can find the gap.

Alien: Isolation is like the gold standard for how that style of horror can work, but that's way more effort than most devs are willing or able to put in.

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pinky0926 posted...

Resident Evil 2 had a nice balance where you technically *can* fight back, but it's a terrible idea

Subnautica had the perfect balance for me. You can't really fight back (the cost of materials to do so is more work than it's worth), but you can build tools to defend yourself.

Re2 is terrible and I cannot understand how it got good reviews. Zombies take unfathomable amounts of bullets to kill, so like you said there is zero reason to actually fight them.. So the entire game is literally just wandering convoluted buildings, getting lost, backtracking, wondering where the fuck to go. How the fuck is that fun for anyone?

EmbraceOfDeath posted...

Horror games where you can fight back aren't scary in the least, so we definitely need these games.

this, fighting back makes it an action game. you can give the player the ability to fight back, but it needs to be a choice of last resort otherwise you're undermining the whole point.

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Clock Tower

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Those are the only horror games I've ever found scary tbqh

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Winrawr posted...

Re2 is terrible and I cannot understand how it got good reviews. Zombies take unfathomable amounts of bullets to kill, so like you said there is zero reason to actually fight them.. So the entire game is literally just wandering convoluted buildings, getting lost, backtracking, wondering where the fuck to go. How the fuck is that fun for anyone?

Imagine complaining about getting lost in RE2 when its map is easily the most helpful in the series.

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monkmith posted...

this, fighting back makes it an action game. you can give the player the ability to fight back, but it needs to be a choice of last resort otherwise you're undermining the whole point.

my issues with them are the trial and error based loop. its annoying to repeat shit like that and takes me out of the atmosphere.

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BuckVanHammer posted...

my issues with them are the trial and error based loop.

Modern gaming is trending towards little more than a technically-advanced Dragon's Lair.

newhorrorguy posted...

Imagine complaining about getting lost in RE2 when its map is easily the most helpful in the series.

Why the fuck would I want to look at map? It is really telling that there is a map at all. Why the fuck would you need a map for a building lmao

WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

The fact that you can't act completely destroys the atmosphere for me.

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Winrawr posted...

Why the fuck would I want to look at map? It is really telling that there is a map at all. Why the fuck would you need a map for a building lmao

This is sure a post

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newhorrorguy posted...

This is sure a post

Hey man I would write out a response but I am on mobile I forgot the map to my basement where my desktop is

Winrawr posted...

Re2 is terrible and I cannot understand how it got good reviews. Zombies take unfathomable amounts of bullets to kill, so like you said there is zero reason to actually fight them.. So the entire game is literally just wandering convoluted buildings, getting lost, backtracking, wondering where the fuck to go. How the fuck is that fun for anyone?

I think the point is never to epically pwn the monsters, it's to feel totally defenseless from them.

Like imagine the "horror" game where you can just level up until you can beat the eldritch horrors with ease. That's just Dark Souls bruh.

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pinky0926 posted...

I think the point is never to epically pwn the monsters, it's to feel totally defenseless from them.

Like imagine the "horror" game where you can just level up until you can beat the eldritch horrors with ease. That's just Dark Souls bruh.

That would be fine if the other parts of the game had something to offer beyond gimmicky obscure puzzles you looked up how to solve online

Ive been saying this shit for years

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Winrawr posted...

That would be fine if the other parts of the game had something to offer beyond gimmicky obscure puzzles you looked up how to solve online

Can only speak for me, but as far as obscure gimmicky puzzles I really found RE2 one of the easier ones and I didn't need a guide for it. That could be because I played the remake and the map made it super easy. Like if there was a room you haven't fully pilfered then it's still red. That simplified everything.

I'm not trying to be a "git gud" guy honestly. I found myself glued to a guide for Hollow Knight because fuck spending 3 hours backtracking to find an obscure item. Maybe it just didn't work for you for whatever reason.

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Alien Isolation is bad ass!

Questionmarktarius posted...

I don't like thing

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Zikten posted...

I like watching other people play them but I can't handle it myself. If I can't fight back, it really stresses me out and isn't fun

Same.

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At the very least, "stealth game" is vastly less obnoxious than "stealth sequence".

Any horror game like RE2 remake with a tyrant like enemy chasing you for large segments of the game is a instant write off for me.

May give RE8 a go because they'res is far less annoying from what i hear.

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Alien Isolation did this the best imo. You can never beat the alien monster, who is a constant threat, but you can do stuff like pay attention to its sound going through the air pipes. Essentially the AI wasn't some simple thing you can manipulate.

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Prestoff posted...

Alien Isolation did this the best imo. You can never beat the alien monster, who is a constant threat, but you can do stuff like pay attention to its sound going through the air pipes. Essentially the AI wasn't some simple thing you can manipulate.

It also handled fighting it the best, because as the game goes on you CAN fend it off, but you can never really fight it.

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newhorrorguy posted...

It also handled fighting it the best, because as the game goes on you CAN fend it off, but you can never really fight it.

I like how the alien adapts too like you can flamethrower it throughout and it'll actually start backing off if you just have it equipped and looking at it

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Shotgunnova posted...

https://youtu.be/foXTsDKvRgc?t=532

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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Clock Tower

Will never understand why people want more of these. Every modern attempt (NightCry, ReMothered) has bottom tier horror, less-than-bottom tier gameplay.

At least Outlast's parkour made for some exciting chase sequences.

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Agreed tc. They're fucking boring

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Smackems posted...

Agreed tc. They're fucking boring

True that. Imma hide behind this barrel until the monster goes away

riveting gameplay!

I think Little Nightmares did this okay. Unlike some of the other games mentioned here, it makes sense that the character can't fight back since every enemy is giant (or a poisonous creature).

Even in the DLC when they add a "defense" element to it, it's extremely limited and doesn't take away from the creepiness factor. I'd argue it adds to it.

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monkmith posted...

this, fighting back makes it an action game. you can give the player the ability to fight back, but it needs to be a choice of last resort otherwise you're undermining the whole point.

This. I feel attitudes like TC's is less about horror, but more like wanting a typical adventure video game with a horror setting.

Meanwhile, sections where you can only run and hide are scary even in family friendly games like Hat in Time.
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I wouldn't say bad but I prefer ones with some degree of action.

Outlasts main mistake was length. Probably should've been like 30% shorter for its type of gameplay.

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GiftedACIII posted...

This. I feel attitudes like TC's is less about horror, but more like wanting a typical adventure video game with a horror setting.

Meanwhile, sections where you can only run and hide are scary even in family friendly games like Hat in Time.

Agreed. The Metroid games that have sections where you are powerless against the enemy (such as Zero Mission and Fusion) are some of the most memorable sections in those games. They can be fun when incorporated right.

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