Current Events > Vaccine-resistant strains highly likely if people continue to refuse masks

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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3

Vaccines are thought to be the best available solution for controlling the ongoing SARS-CoV-2 pandemic. However, the emergence of vaccine-resistant strains may come too rapidly for current vaccine developments to alleviate the health, economic and social consequences of the pandemic.
To quantify and characterize the risk of such a scenario, we created a SIR-derived model with initial stochastic dynamics of the vaccine-resistant strain to study the probability of its emergence and establishment. Using parameters realistically resembling SARS-CoV-2 transmission, we model a wave-like pattern of the pandemic and consider the impact of the rate of vaccination and the strength of non-pharmaceutical intervention measures on the probability of emergence of a resistant strain. As expected, we found that a fast rate of vaccination decreases the probability of emergence of a resistant strain.
Counterintuitively, when a relaxation of non-pharmaceutical interventions happened at a time when most individuals of the population have already been vaccinated the probability of emergence of a resistant strain was greatly increased. Consequently, we show that a period of transmission reduction close to the end of the vaccination campaign can substantially reduce the probability of resistant strain establishment. Our results suggest that policymakers and individuals should consider maintaining non-pharmaceutical interventions and transmission-reducing behaviours throughout the entire vaccination period.

Read that again:

Counterintuitively, when a relaxation of non-pharmaceutical interventions happened at a time when most individuals of the population have already been vaccinated the probability of emergence of a resistant strain was greatly increased.

Basically vaccinated people getting infected is kinda not a good thing. Mask up.

But masks take minimal effort to put on and take off, its too much

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I'm just gonna be pessimistic here and say that this virus will absolutely fuck us because of anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers. This'll probably be like, black death levels or something.

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BakonBitz posted...

I'm just gonna be pessimistic here and say that this virus will absolutely fuck us because of anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers. This'll probably be like, black death levels or something.

It will continue to get worse. Here we are a year and a half later and Florida has record numbers today. A year and a half and we haven't progressed toward beating this. It will grow, and spread, and when finally people come to their senses, see enough of their family and loved ones die, especially grandparents, and elderly, it will be too late to decide it's time for the vaccine. We missed the mark, half of the nation refusing the vaccine is going to be the inevitable long-term stay of COVID and millions will die in the coming years.

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Just reading about it makes me mad. I look at the subreddit for my state and even the left wing users are being absolute morons about wearing masks because they got vaccinated.

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Some interesting comments:

Except this doesn't have to be a flu situation. We don't have "yearly measles" or "yearly chickenpox" because we snuffed those diseases out.
People and governments just need to sack up, punish non-compliers, and mandate vaccines. That's the only way out.

Except the vaccines do not function like chickenpox or measles vaccines, which actually do stop symptoms and transmission. Nobody is snuffing Covid out with vaccines that still allow for infection and transmission. Even the article referenced in this very thread is making this clear, hence the suggestion of still wearing masks.
We need to stop a "Mereks Disease" like situation happening where vaccinated people produce more severe strains due to the vaccines successfully stopping severe illness but not stopping infection or spread.

I learned a new term. "Leaky Vaccine"

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715

Idk about calling this vaccine leaky but it seems some redditors think if vaccinated people can infect others it is.
Which wasn't the case until delta.

And delta came because India couldn't actually vaccinate their population.
This is just bad all around.

MabusIncarnate posted...

It will continue to get worse. Here we are a year and a half later and Florida has record numbers today.

it's starting to get bad. in oregon it's close to winter levels when the pandemic started but nothing that reaches florida's numbers.
most of the group infected are the unvaccinated (probably some breakthrough's) in the group.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Just reading about it makes me mad. I look at the subreddit for my state and even the left wing users are being absolute morons about wearing masks because they got vaccinated.

Another interesting study:
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/ov460e/those_who_flout_covid_recommendations_are_less/

Those who flout COVID recommendations are less agreeable, have lower intellect, and tend to be more extroverted than those who adhere to recommendations. COVID non-conformists also prioritize self-interest and personal freedom and show greater tolerance for social deviance, a new study reports.

WingsOfGood posted...

Another interesting study:
https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/ov460e/those_who_flout_covid_recommendations_are_less/

i mean, you could tell just by hearing them talk.

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BakonBitz posted...

I'm just gonna be pessimistic here and say that this virus will absolutely fuck us because of anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers. This'll probably be like, black death levels or something.

What sucks Is that when we get another epidemic and its even worse , we're all going to die

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsmymWSUk9M&pp=sAQA

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The CDC should have never said people don't need to wear masks. Now no one will wear a mask again along with a lot of companies pushing a things are back to normal narrative so people who are on the fence about a vaccine will be like why bother things are normal again. And the news media I watch used to really go hard on the virus coverage but now that Biden is president they put it on the back burner and are all about voting rights and the infamous so called insurrection. No one seems to take it seriously any more.

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We saw our healthcare system almost break last time. If a variant becomes vaccine resistant and is just a little bit more lethal itll destroy this country. Were on the edge of a knife.

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i think i caught something. doesn't feel like coroni.

does have a sore throat. coughed plenty last night. still have taste/smell.
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WingsOfGood posted...

https://www.nature.com

stopped there


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hsvhighlife posted...

stopped there

yes, I also think science is too difficult to understand

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Quicksilver posted...

The CDC should have never said people don't need to wear masks. Now no one will wear a mask again along with a lot of companies pushing a things are back to normal narrative so people who are on the fence about a vaccine will be like why bother things are normal again. And the news media I watch used to really go hard on the virus coverage but now that Biden is president they put it on the back burner and are all about voting rights and the infamous so called insurrection. No one seems to take it seriously any more.

Well it wasn't wrong before delta. Thing is, delta came and they had no idea how it worked and were like "yea it basically the same, we all good!"
But now we know that was incorrect.

It's like not finishing your antibiotics at a societal level smh.

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Texas is Getting Slammed very hard. hospitals are completely filled.
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BakonBitz posted...

This'll probably be like, black death levels or something.

I was hoping for it to be Black Death tier at the beginning but now lolnowayjosebot. It's never going to reach those levels.

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Get them vaccinated. Fuck masks.

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metallica846 posted...

Honest question. Wouldnt the virus continue to mutate in countries without good access to the vaccine like us? I know we can do better but isnt the evolution of Covid inevitable at this point?

I have already been fully vaccinated.

Yeah, but at the very least it'd be more difficult for it to spread to other countries, and if other countries mandated a quarantine for people traveling abroad we lower the risk of it spreading.

But humanity is dumb.

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If the vaccines don't work, it's time to throw in the towel and let it infect everyone naturally. Through half assed measures we'll end up dragging this on longer than the Spanish Flu.

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Frostshock posted...

it's time to throw in the towel and let it infect everyone naturally.

we're all fucked if it's tried.
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Realistically, one is almost guaranteed to arise, either way. But when it does, you're gonna want those masks to help reduce the spread of it.

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metallica846 posted...

Honest question. Wouldnt the virus continue to mutate in countries without good access to the vaccine like us? I know we can do better but isnt the evolution of Covid inevitable at this point?

I have already been fully vaccinated.

The vaccine is actually what causes it to mutate to be vaccine resistant.

It might mutate in a place where they are not vaccinated, but it would not be vaccine resistant from that.

@metallica846

Basically, antibiotic resistant bacteria need exposure to antibiotics to gain said resitance.

Fully vaccinated people foregoing mask protection will hasten this form of mutation as breakthrough cases rise.

Human kind has gone though this before, multiple times. We survived with less knowledge and resources than we have now. We'll survive this and we'll survive the next ones to follow.

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BakonBitz posted...

I'm just gonna be pessimistic here and say that this virus will absolutely fuck us because of anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers. This'll probably be like, black death levels or something.

dude calm down we need positivity not negativity. Negative emotions in and of themselves weaken the immune system....

We were most worried about the vulnerable 65+. over 90% of them got the vaccine now. over 50% of the population has the vaccine. The percentage will easily go up 10-15% with full vaccine approval. We should be in pretty damned good shape all in all. A new strain is not going to kill or even infect someone that has immunity unless their immune system is in horrible shape.

We are not going to see insane amounts of deaths I assure you. Just live life, take what precautions you deem necessary and you'll be fine.

Demon1050 posted...

Just live life, take what precautions you deem necessary and you'll be fine.

No, we need to take what precautions the collective require as necessary.

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