Current Events > Study shows the Delta variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated

(+) Yeah! (+)

and unvaccinated people

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/breakthrough-infection-masks-cdc-provincetown-study/index.html

A new study shows the Delta Covid-19 variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated and unvaccinated people -- illustrating a key motivation behind the federal guidance that now recommends most fully vaccinated Americans wear masks indoors.

Experts say that vaccination makes it less likely that you'll catch Covid-19 in the first place -- but for those who do, this data suggests they could have a similar tendency to spread it as unvaccinated folks.

"High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus,"

The study, published by CDC Friday, describes 469 Massachusetts residents who were infected in a July outbreak in Barnstable County, which includes the summer vacation destination Provincetown.

About 74% -- or 346 cases -- had been fully vaccinated. Of those cases, 79% reported symptoms. Genetically sequenced cases revealed the Delta variant as the main culprit.
The researchers found evidence that viral loads were similar among 127 fully vaccinated people and 84 others who were unvaccinated, partially vaccinated or whose vaccination status was unknown. Viral load is a proxy for how likely someone might be to transmit the virus to others.

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It doesn't though. The delta varient has 3 specific base changes that cause it to reproduce more quickly, causing a higher number of viron particles to emerge. This doesn't cause more sever illness, however, it makes it easier to spread.

Interestingly, the delta varient is less fit than the original strain and cannot compete. It mostly succeeds in an environment where people are actually vaccinated, because the higher viral load allows for easier transmission.

the un-vaccinated are in trouble. not too late to get jabbed.
we're all in trouble too. can still suffer brain fog if get the virus.
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shouldnt we get a new vaccine for the delta variant then?

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kingdrake2 posted...

the un-vaccinated are in trouble. not too late to get jabbed.
we're all in trouble too. can still suffer brain fog if get the virus.

It makes sense though. If you make a population more resistant to covid, then a new strain will develop that can spread to vulnerable individuals. It doesn't mean this strain is more deadly, though

David1988 posted...

shouldnt we get a new vaccine for the delta variant then?

Booster shots are currently in development
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David1988 posted...

shouldnt we get a new vaccine for the delta variant then?

The new delta strain is beaten by the current Vaccines. The new delta variant is able to more quickly cause a contagious viral load though (but not enough to cause illness) , so vaccinated people are more likely to spread it to un-vaccinated (and un-vaccinated to un-vaccinated)

David1988 posted...

shouldnt we get a new vaccine for the delta variant then?

By the time that happens there will probably be a new variant that could be worse than the delta variant.

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solosnake posted...

and unvaccinated people

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/breakthrough-infection-masks-cdc-provincetown-study/index.html

Its still much much rarer for the vaccinated to get infected. But if Covid does breakthrough, then yeah, the viral load appears to be similar.

Covid a bitch
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Notti posted...

Its still much much rarer for the vaccinated to get infected. But if Covid does breakthrough, then yeah, the viral load appears to be similar.

Covid a bitch

Im not sure, it says 74% of the people infected in the study were vaccinated, and 79% of those experienced symptoms. Really doesnt sound good

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solosnake posted...

Im not sure, it says 74% of the people infected in the study were vaccinated, and 79% of those experienced symptoms. Really doesnt sound good

You're missing the important stat of being vaccinated and not getting covid.

The vax protects against covid. But no vax is perfect.
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The more info that comes out the more stupid it looks when CDC said vaccinated dont have to wear masks two months ago.

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BlueTigerLion posted...

The more info that comes out the more stupid it looks when CDC said vaccinated dont have to wear masks two months ago.

they said it because the economy was tanking especially the hotel/restaurant business.
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BlueTigerLion posted...

The more info that comes out the more stupid it looks when CDC said vaccinated dont have to wear masks two months ago.

It was always from political pressure


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What that study fails to mention is what % of that whole population was vaccinated. Yes, it tells us how many vaccinated people got covid, but what % of that was of the entire vaccinated population of that town? Also:

The findings in this report are subject to at least four limitations. First, data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak. As population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of COVID-19 cases. Second, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias. Third, demographics of cases likely reflect those of attendees at the public gatherings, as events were marketed to adult male participants; further study is underway to identify other population characteristics among cases, such as additional demographic characteristics and underlying health conditions including immunocompromising conditions.*** MA DPH, CDC, and affected jurisdictions are collaborating in this response; MA DPH is conducting additional case investigations, obtaining samples for genomic sequencing, and linking case information with laboratory data and vaccination history. Finally, Ct values obtained with SARS-CoV-2 qualitative RT-PCR diagnostic tests might provide a crude correlation to the amount of virus present in a sample and can also be affected by factors other than viral load. Although the assay used in this investigation was not validated to provide quantitative results, there was no significant difference between the Ct values of samples collected from breakthrough cases and the other cases. This might mean that the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 is also similar. However, microbiological studies are required to confirm these findings.

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solosnake posted...

Im not sure, it says 74% of the people infected in the study were vaccinated, and 79% of those experienced symptoms. Really doesnt sound good

Notti posted...

You're missing the important stat of being vaccinated and not getting covid.

The vax protects against covid. But no vax is perfect.

So can this be clarified? solosnake has said that 74% of those infected were vaccinated.
But Notti is saying there is a stat of being vaccinated and not getting it...can you elaborate on this important stat?

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kingdrake2 posted...

they said it because the economy was tanking especially the hotel/restaurant business.

How would a resurgence of covid help? That's pretty dumb.

Oneform posted...

So can this be clarified? solosnake has said that 74% of those infected were vaccinated.
But Notti is saying there is a stat of being vaccinated and not getting it...can you elaborate on this important stat?

Sure.

https://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated

"It could sound worrying that the majority of people dying in England with the now-dominant Delta (B.1.617.2) variant have been vaccinated. Does this mean the vaccines are ineffective? Far from it, its what we would expect from an effective but imperfect vaccine, a risk profile that varies hugely by age and the way the vaccines have been rolled out.

Consider the hypothetical world where absolutely everyone had received a less than perfect vaccine. Although the death rate would be low, everyone who died would have been fully vaccinated.

The vaccines are not perfect. PHE estimates two-dose effectiveness against hospital admission with the Delta infections at around 94%. We can perhaps assume there is at least 95% protection against Covid-19 death, which means the lethal risk is reduced to less than a twentieth of its usual value.

But the risk of dying from Covid-19 is extraordinarily dependent on age: it halves for each six to seven year age gap. This means that someone aged 80 who is fully vaccinated essentially takes on the risk of an unvaccinated person of around 50 much lower, but still not nothing, and so we can expect some deaths."

Also As the article notes, when comparing death rates, its also important to adjust for age.

Vaccinated 70 year olds will have more issues than unvaxed 12 year olds, if one would try to dishonestly compare those 2 population groups.
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They are leaving out the critical data from the study in that news article:

346 people who were fully vaccinated tested positive for COVID

5 of them went to the hospital.

0 died.

As long as you get the jab, you have nothing to worry about.


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I'm hoping my kids won't have to take the vaccine honestly, the risk/reward suck dick for them

ROOTFayth posted...

I'm hoping my kids won't have to take the vaccine honestly, the risk/reward suck dick for them

And just what do you base this on?

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i would prefer kids to get vaccinated as soon as it's safe.

they can spread it to everyone.
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ROOTFayth posted...

I'm hoping my kids won't have to take the vaccine honestly, the risk/reward suck dick for them

I'm hoping you don't actually have kids

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it's 1/10000 myocarditis among other things, their odds of being hospitalized/seriously sick from the actual disease is lower than that, I know some of you really suck with numbers and will just blindly parrot "TAKE THE VACCINE" but essentially it's a risk/reward thing, I want what's best for my children of course

kingdrake2 posted...

the un-vaccinated are in trouble. not too late to get jabbed.
we're all in trouble too. can still suffer brain fog if get the virus.

This is the extremely scary part of covid to me (besides dying...), neural damage is a pretty serious side effect...

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metallica846 posted...

Much higher than 1-10,000

Thats taking into account all people, not just children

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the virus can destroy your organs this thing is nasty

ROOTFayth posted...

it's 1/10000 myocarditis among other things, their odds of being hospitalized/seriously sick from the actual disease is lower than that, I know some of you really suck with numbers and will just blindly parrot "TAKE THE VACCINE" but essentially it's a risk/reward thing, I want what's best for my children of course

And no one said that myocarditis applies to children.

Has anyone ever shown vaccine % of side effects to be worse than the % of side effects of getting covid itself? I dont think they have.
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BlueTigerLion posted...

By the time that happens there will probably be a new variant that could be worse than the delta variant.

somewhere covid-OMEGA is cooking

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