Current Events > Jesse ruined everything. *spoilers for Breaking Bad*

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In the final few episodes, if he didn't run to the police like a little bitch, everyone would be alive and safe.

That episode where he ruins the perfect ending made me hate him. Not defending the other characters, but fuck. Jesse is a dumbass.
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Slayer_22 posted...

In the final few episodes, if he didn't run to the police like a little bitch, everyone would be alive and safe.

Except for Drew and Mike

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Actually Walt ruined everything himself by getting greedy and addicted to power.

It blows my mind how much of the fan base hate Jessie and rooted for Walt the entire series. My Dad is like this and he gets totally legit confused whenever I try to explain to him.

Even the author of the series expressed he was discouraged how many people didn't catch that power was changing Walt.

Stewman_Magoo posted...

Except for Drew and Mike

Well, I mean, yeah. I'm talking about preventable deaths.
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EnglishBullDoug posted...

Actually Walt ruined everything himself by getting greedy and addicted to power.

It blows my mind how much of the fan base hate Jessie and rooted for Walt the entire series. My Dad is like this and he gets totally legit confused whenever I try to explain to him.

Even the author of the series expressed he was discouraged how many people didn't catch that power was changing Walt.

I am not saying Walt was right or something, you're misunderstanding my post. I'm just saying Jesse ruined EVERYONE'S chance at the happiest ending possible.
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Everyone being alive and safe, the true staple of dramatic television.


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Jesse also kept trying to kill Gus men which made Walt try to save him.

Then in season 4 Jesse turns against Walt to side with Gus.

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Slayer_22 posted...

I am not saying Walt was right or something, you're misunderstanding my post. I'm just saying Jesse ruined EVERYONE'S chance at the happiest ending possible.

Am I misunderstanding your post, or are you misunderstanding the theme of the story that when you screw everyone around you over and manipulate everyone in your life you've ruined your chances at a happy ending?

Jesse did nothing wrong.

Didn't he team up with Hank solely because Walt tried to poison a kid? At that point Jesse was fueled by just wanting to destroy Walt's life because Walt is an evil mother fucker.
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EnglishBullDoug posted...

Am I misunderstanding your post, or are you misunderstanding the theme of the story that when you screw everyone around you over and manipulate everyone in your life you've ruined your chances at a happy ending?

Jesse did nothing wrong.

...I mean, theme has little to do with what I'm arguing dude lol.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Didn't he team up with Hank solely because Walt tried to poison a kid? At that point Jesse was fueled by just wanting to destroy Walt's life because Walt is an evil mother fucker.

Yeah, but in doing so it ended up killing everyone anyway.

Edit: Walt is Evil af tho, agreed there.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Didn't he team up with Hank solely because Walt tried to poison a kid? At that point Jesse was fueled by just wanting to destroy Walt's life because Walt is an evil mother fucker.

He didn't try, he did poison a kid.

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IDK what kind of discussion you're trying to prompt WITH your argument then.

"If things didn't happen the way they did, they would have happened differently!!!!"

OK TC, well you're right about that. But the whole point of the story the author was telling was that Walt had painted himself into a corner by that point.

You're free to write your own boring and contrived fan fiction that has Walt getting away with it if you like. Can you do Death Note next?

Slayer_22 posted...

Yeah, but in doing so it ended up killing everyone anyway.

How would Jesse know that would be the outcome though? If anything what he did was smart and should have minimized casualties but it backfired because Walt is Walt.
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EnglishBullDoug posted...

IDK what kind of discussion you're trying to prompt WITH your argument then.

"If things didn't happen the way they did, they would have happened differently!!!!"

OK TC, well you're right about that. But the whole point of the story the author was telling was that Walt had painted himself into a corner by that point.

You're free to write your own boring and contrived fan fiction that has Walt getting away with it if you like. Can you do Death Note next?

It sounds like you're getting offended I have an opinion? I feel like Jesse ruined everything. This is true...so I'm right. My point was made.

Smashingpmkns posted...

How would Jesse know that would be the outcome though? If anything what he did was smart and should have minimized casualties but it backfired because Walt is Walt.

He couldn't. But it doesn't mean Jesse wasn't dumb for going to the police lol.
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Slayer_22 posted...

I am not saying Walt was right or something, you're misunderstanding my post. I'm just saying Jesse ruined EVERYONE'S chance at the happiest ending possible.

So the prisoners dilemma from game theory.
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Slayer_22 posted...

It sounds like you're getting offended I have an opinion? I feel like Jesse ruined everything. This is true...so I'm right. My point was made.

He couldn't. But it doesn't mean Jesse wasn't dumb for going to the police lol.

I mean, I'm not mad at you, it's just jarring when other fans of the show outright miss the whole point.

"It's all Jesse's fault that Walt had to suffer the consequences of his own actions!!!" Is your point and "argument".

I like talking about this show because I have the misconception that it seems to attract like minds and people who catch underlying themes, but then there's a surprising number of people like you that just miss the point of everything entirely and think the show was about living vicariously through Walt.

It's even worse when guys like you complain the ending was "bad" because what you wanted to happen didn't happen.

Should have killed Walt to keep working with Gus IMO

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Cuticrusader09 posted...

So the prisoners dilemma from game theory.

Huh?

EnglishBullDoug posted...

I mean, I'm not mad at you, it's just jarring when other fans of the show outright miss the whole point.

"It's all Jesse's fault that Walt had to suffer the consequences of his own actions!!!" Is your point and "argument".

I like talking about this show because I have the misconception that it seems to attract like minds and people who catch underlying themes, but then there's a surprising number of people like you that just miss the point of everything entirely and think the show was about living vicariously through Walt.

It's even worse when guys like you complain the ending was "bad" because what you wanted to happen didn't happen.

I hate arguing with people like you. You can't have an opinion that goes against the themes of the show.

It doesn't matter. It's a TV show. We can argue that Jess should have used his magical brainwashing powers he got from smoking some super meth and made Walt into Malcolm's dad.

I understand the show, I understand the themes and the various nuanced moments. But that particular bit always bugged me. It's the 'everything is going perfect, then one person fucks it all up and screws over everyone' moment. It has nothing to do with whatever weird assumption you made about what I'm saying. It's Jesse just ruining the one shot everyone had to get away and actually live. Including Andrea, Hank, etc.

That's why I said Jesse ruined everything. And you said I'm right.

I4NRulez posted...

Should have killed Walt to keep working with Gus IMO

That would have been interesting, ngl.
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SerperiorThanU posted...

Nah, Walt fucked most of it up. Even besides being evil, he had a massive ego problem that both ruined relations with Gus and encouraged Hank to keep looking for him even after Hank thought Gus was Heisenburg and Walt was about to quit the business.

I'm not disagreeing there. I'm just saying that one moment ruined everything from Jesse. Killed off a ton of characters, ruined any chance of a 'happy' ending for everyone, etc.
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Walt ruined everything by getting into the business of cooking meth.

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Slayer_22 posted...

Huh?

I hate arguing with people like you. You can't have an opinion that goes against the themes of the show.

It doesn't matter. It's a TV show. We can argue that Jess should have used his magical brainwashing powers he got from smoking some super meth and made Walt into Malcolm's dad.

I understand the show, I understand the themes and the various nuanced moments. But that particular bit always bugged me. It's the 'everything is going perfect, then one person fucks it all up and screws over everyone' moment. It has nothing to do with whatever weird assumption you made about what I'm saying. It's Jesse just ruining the one shot everyone had to get away and actually live. Including Andrea, Hank, etc.

That's why I said Jesse ruined everything. And you said I'm right.

That would have been interesting, ngl.

What? We aren't arguing. This is me, a much more intelligent person who understood what the show was going for explaining to you, someone who thinks the point of the show was "How's Walt gonna get out of THIS one?!" things that you misunderstood. A debate or argument implies some sort of peer to peer dynamic, which there isn't one here.

And I said that you were right that if things didn't happen one way they would have happened the other.

But you're free to stop replying and close your topic since you hate being told what the show was actually going for. It's not like I'm getting anything out of explaining this stuff to you.

I'm almost done my rewatch of the series (just finished season 5, episode 8). Walt is the bad guy without question. Walt fucked Jesse up for his own selfish reasons. I remember people always hating on Skyler, for the most part, she was in the right the whole time.

Walt could have had his clean out but he got to power hungry.

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I personally like to take it even further and say that it was Saul that ruined everything.

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What? What happened to Walt was his own fault. His actions led to Jesse turning on him.


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Conflict posted...

This topic is symbolic of how short the attention spans are of Walt fanboys lol. Walt literally poisoned Brock and you're mad about Jesse doing something about it

I like all the characters.

And Jesse did a dumb move that got everyone fucked over. Simple as that. Walt also did dumb stuff, and is quite an evil character, but this is the one situation where, if he succeeded, everything would have turned out perfectly.

EnglishBullDoug posted...

What? We aren't arguing. This is me, a much more intelligent person who understood what the show was going for explaining to you, someone who thinks the point of the show was "How's Walt gonna get out of THIS one?!" things that you misunderstood. A debate or argument implies some sort of peer to peer dynamic, which there isn't one here.

And I said that you were right that if things didn't happen one way they would have happened the other.

But you're free to stop replying and close your topic since you hate being told what the show was actually going for. It's not like I'm getting anything out of explaining this stuff to you.

Jesus Christ. Talk about a fucking high horse. This is ridiculous. You made a boogeyman of an argument that doesn't exist, just to light it on fire and act like you're correct, when you're making no sense at all and just using it as an excuse to brag so you can get an ego boost.

Anime_Killer17 posted...

I personally like to take it even further and say that it was Saul that ruined everything.

Fair. Maybe it's better to NOT call Saul?

NoxObscuras posted...

What? What happened to Walt was his own fault. His actions led to Jesse turning on him.

Yes, but that very pivotal moment of Jesse turning on him lead to the deaths of Hank and Andrea(both of whom I was fans of, ngl). That's all I'm saying.
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Jesse didn't even go to the cops. Hank stopped him from burning down the White house. If he hadn't Jesse might have died in the fire, Walt could have bought a new house fit for a king(pin).

The ending is Hanks fault, clearly.

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Jesse is a moron meth head. Of course he's unlikable. Never met a meth head I liked tbh.
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Maybe instead of squealing to the cops Jesse should have just shot Walt in the face like a man.

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Dude, Walt LITERALLY called Neo Nazis to come and murder Jesse.

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Conflict posted...

Your reasoning is equally as stupid as the people who blame Hank for his own death. Just adding "Walt is also evil" at the end doesn't change that

At some point you should probably blame the guy who poisoned a child and hired neo-Nazis for the events that followed

Not saying it isn't Walt's fault. It is everyone's fault. But this specific plan, the happiest ending for everyone, would have ended all their problems and led to the happiest ending.

lilORANG posted...

Jesse is a moron meth head. Of course he's unlikable. Never met a meth head I liked tbh.

I love Jesse, especially the actor that portrays him. He's funny af.

jumi posted...

Maybe instead of squealing to the cops Jesse should have just shot Walt in the face like a man.

That would have been VERY interesting, ngl. I think that would have been a better ending than what we got.

wiiking96 posted...

Dude, Walt LITERALLY called Neo Nazis to come and murder Jesse.

I'm not saying otherwise lol
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"Say the words! Say you want this! Nothing happens until you say it!"

"I want this."

"Then do it yourself."

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*Walt's actions led to Jesse's actions*

"It's Jesse's fault!"

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Actually the guy who told Walt and Jesse dont forget who youre working for ruined everything.

working for Tuco was risky but business was booming. They come back heavy and Tuco even pays them more. They would have worked an empire together.

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DD Divine posted...

Actually the guy who told Walt and Jesse dont forget who youre working for ruined everything.

working for Tuco was risky but business was booming. They come back heavy and Tuco even pays them more. They would have worked an empire together.

Or Jesse shouldn't have mentioned chili powder.

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He ****ed Ted!

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Strider102 posted...

Or Jesse shouldn't have mentioned chili powder.

tuco didnt even care the meth was blue. Hell after that shipment sold Tuco would have been set. Walt works out the rest of his days. Jesse tells tuco Walt died of cancer and that its all good and he knows how to cook.

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Sega_System posted...

*Walt's actions led to Jesse's actions*

"It's Jesse's fault!"

Walt's actions at that particular moment led to them having a possibility of getting away with it all. Jesse's led to Hank's death. Never even got to see Hank's mineral collection. :(

DD Divine posted...

tuco didnt even care the meth was blue. Hell after that shipment sold Tuco would have been set. Walt works out the rest of his days. Jesse tells tuco Walt died of cancer and that its all good and he knows how to cook.

That would have been probably the easiest out lol.
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Conflict posted...

This is patently false.

I disagree lol.
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Actually, the dude that ruined everything was that bald dude who was picking up his daughter and spooked Jesse into thinking Walt had sent an assassin after him

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pegusus123456 posted...

Actually, the dude that ruined everything was that bald dude who was picking up his daughter and spooked Jesse into thinking Walt had sent an assassin after him

This is also true.
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Walt and Jessie are awful

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Iloveyou5 posted...

Walt and Jessie are awful

Good takes in this topic.

We can all agree on these.

Can we also agree that they're not rocks and Walt is kinda a sussy baka?

https://youtu.be/6cmzCU5Z3Os
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