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UnfairRepresent 03/30/21 2:21:16 AM #1:	He fatally shot an NYPD cop execution-style decades ago in a Queens bar and now Richard Rivera is helping reform police in upstate New York as part of a state-mandated plan launched by Gov. Andrew Cuomo. The cop-killer who murdered off-duty officer and dad-of-four Robert Walsh in 1981 sits on a panel for Ithaca and Tompkins County as part of its "Reimagining Public Safety Collaborative. The advisory group was formed after Cuomo ordered municipalities to submit police-reform plans to the state by April 1 following George Floyds death. "I know people are going to be critical, killer-turned-homeless advocate Rivera, 56, told The Post on Monday when asked about the possible reaction to him sitting on the committee. "I dont know if [Walshs] family would find this acceptable, he said. "I cant control that. What I can control is the way Ive been living my life. "Im holding the memory of Officer Walsh to the highest standard of policing in terms of a protector to the community, somebody who cares for the community." But one of the slain officers sons said Rivera doesnt have to wonder any longer what the family thinks it is disgusted by the ex-cons position on the advisory panel. "Were completely shocked that the man who murdered my father is being trusted to create police reforms," Robert Walsh Jr., 47, told The Post through a rep. "My father dedicated his life to serving and protecting New Yorkers. He should be the one serving on a panel to help reimagine policing, but hell never get that chance." Rivera was 16 years old when he and four other gun-toting teens donned masks and strolled into the BVD Bar and Grill in Maspeth just after midnight Jan. 12, 1981, looking to rob the joint. Officer Walsh, a 36-year-old highly decorated cop with 12 years on the force, was inside wearing a cowboy hat hanging out after his shift. What unfolded next was nothing short of a coldblooded "execution, a police official said in a front-page Post article at the time. As the hero off-duty officer identified himself as a cop and reached for his gun to try to stop the robbery, Rivera shot him in the shoulder. Rivera then walked over to the officer as he lay helplessly wounded on the floor, pressed his gun to the cops head and blasted him again, authorities said. "I guess it was just something he felt like doing, the police official said of Rivera. The teenage killer spent 39 years behind bars for the cold-blooded killing, before being released in 2019. Rivera told The Post that he has since been working with a nonprofit helping to provide the homeless with shelter and food. He said his work with the upstate prison-reform committee mainly consists of surveying homeless people about how they may be criminalized just because they are on the streets or over their mental issues. "I feel that Im living my life in a way that I feel is for the betterment of the people around me, said Rivera who opined to Ithaca Week last month about his post-prison outreach work. "I live my life in a way that honors and respects [Officer Walshs] memory," the ex-con told The Post. "That is advocating for people who cant advocate for themselves." But Pat Lynch, president of the Police Benevolent Association, said it doesnt matter what kind of feel-good work Rivera does now he is the last person who should be doling out advice on police reform. "Its outrageous and despicable, the union chief raged to The Post. "Not only did this cop-killer get paroled, but now he gets a seat at the table to help dismantle a police department. Did anybody expect him to be fair and open-minded in his review? "The entire process has trampled on the ideals that police officers like Robert Walsh upheld. Its the ultimate disrespect to his service and sacrifice." Cuomo last summer ordered every municipality in the state with a police department to devise a plan reflecting "systemic reform" in the wake of Floyds death at the hands of cops in Minneapolis in May. Opening statements in the trial of Derek Chauvin, the white former cop who knelt on the unarmed black mans neck for nearly 9 minutes, kicked off Monday. Cuomo said when announcing the police-reform measure that any local government failing to provide a plan would lose "a significant amount" of state money. Full Article: https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-cop-killer-is-now-helping-reform-the-police-in-new-york I dunno man... On one hand it sounds like he really has reformed and as a society that should be encouraged, not shit on. But on the other... This seems.... I dunno, like how can the guy be objective and viewed fairly by others with his background? What do you think CE? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:952268027] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>He fatally shot an NYPD cop execution-style decades ago in a Queens bar and now Richard Rivera is helping reform police in upstate New York as part of a state-mandated plan launched by Gov. Andrew Cuomo. The cop-killer who murdered off-duty officer and dad-of-four Robert Walsh in 1981 sits on a panel for Ithaca and Tompkins County as part of its "Reimagining Public Safety Collaborative. The advisory group was formed after Cuomo ordered municipalities to submit police-reform plans to the state by April 1 following George Floyds death. "I know people are going to be critical, killer-turned-homeless advocate Rivera, 56, told The Post on Monday when asked about the possible reaction to him sitting on the committee. "I dont know if [Walshs] family would find this acceptable, he said. "I cant control that. What I can control is the way Ive been living my life. "Im holding the memory of Officer Walsh to the highest standard of policing in terms of a protector to the community, somebody who cares for the community." But one of the slain officers sons said Rivera doesnt have to wonder any longer what the family thinks it is disgusted by the ex-cons position on the advisory panel. "Were completely shocked that the man who murdered my father is being trusted to create police reforms," Robert Walsh Jr., 47, told The Post through a rep. "My father dedicated his life to serving and protecting New Yorkers. He should be the one serving on a panel to help reimagine policing, but hell never get that chance." Rivera was 16 years old when he and four other gun-toting teens donned masks and strolled into the BVD Bar and Grill in Maspeth just after midnight Jan. 12, 1981, looking to rob the joint. Officer Walsh, a 36-year-old highly decorated cop with 12 years on the force, was inside wearing a cowboy hat hanging out after his shift. What unfolded next was nothing short of a coldblooded "execution, a police official said in a front-page Post article at the time. As the hero off-duty officer identified himself as a cop and reached for his gun to try to stop the robbery, Rivera shot him in the shoulder. Rivera then walked over to the officer as he lay helplessly wounded on the floor, pressed his gun to the cops head and blasted him again, authorities said. "I guess it was just something he felt like doing, the police official said of Rivera. The teenage killer spent 39 years behind bars for the cold-blooded killing, before being released in 2019. Rivera told The Post that he has since been working with a nonprofit helping to provide the homeless with shelter and food. He said his work with the upstate prison-reform committee mainly consists of surveying homeless people about how they may be criminalized just because they are on the streets or over their mental issues. "I feel that Im living my life in a way that I feel is for the betterment of the people around me, said Rivera who opined to Ithaca Week last month about his post-prison outreach work. "I live my life in a way that honors and respects [Officer Walshs] memory," the ex-con told The Post. "That is advocating for people who cant advocate for themselves." But Pat Lynch, president of the Police Benevolent Association, said it doesnt matter what kind of feel-good work Rivera does now he is the last person who should be doling out advice on police reform. "Its outrageous and despicable, the union chief raged to The Post. "Not only did this cop-killer get paroled, but now he gets a seat at the table to help dismantle a police department. Did anybody expect him to be fair and open-minded in his review? "The entire process has trampled on the ideals that police officers like Robert Walsh upheld. Its the ultimate disrespect to his service and sacrifice." Cuomo last summer ordered every municipality in the state with a police department to devise a plan reflecting "systemic reform" in the wake of Floyds death at the hands of cops in Minneapolis in May. Opening statements in the trial of Derek Chauvin, the white former cop who knelt on the unarmed black mans neck for nearly 9 minutes, kicked off Monday. Cuomo said when announcing the police-reform measure that any local government failing to provide a plan would lose "a significant amount" of state money. Full Article: https://www.foxnews.com/us/nypd-cop-killer-is-now-helping-reform-the-police-in-new-york I dunno man... On one hand it sounds like he really has reformed and as a society that should be encouraged, not shit on. But on the other... This seems.... I dunno, like how can the guy be objective and viewed fairly by others with his background? What do you think CE? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 03/30/21 2:22:38 AM #2:	--- Cancelation makes my nipples hard. don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:952268054] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mark_DeRosa 03/30/21 2:23:22 AM #3:	UnfairRepresent posted... As the hero off-duty officer identified himself as a cop and reached for his gun to try to stop the robbery, Rivera shot him in the shoulder. Rivera then walked over to the officer as he lay helplessly wounded on the floor, pressed his gun to the cops head and blasted him again, authorities said. no one that executes any person like an animal should be allowed to be out in society. Disgusting. I dont even care if the victim was a cop --- Steve Nash \| 13\| Phoenix Suns \| PPG: 16.9 \| RPG: 3.60 \| APG 11.3 \| EFF: +22.96 http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/2283379/dance-o.gif <cite>Mark_DeRosa posted [p:952268070] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>As the hero off-duty officer identified himself as a cop and reached for his gun to try to stop the robbery, Rivera shot him in the shoulder. Rivera then walked over to the officer as he lay helplessly wounded on the floor, pressed his gun to the cops head and blasted him again, authorities said.</quote> no one that executes any person like an animal should be allowed to be out in society. Disgusting. I dont even care if the victim was a cop </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 03/30/21 2:27:16 AM #4:	UnfairRepresent posted... As the hero off-duty officer identified himself as a cop and reached for his gun to try to stop the robbery, Rivera shot him in the shoulder. Rivera then walked over to the officer as he lay helplessly wounded on the floor, pressed his gun to the cops head and blasted him again, authorities said. Why the fuck was this not a life sentence? This wasn't someone who didn't expect to need to use the gun freaking out, this is cold blooded murder. Fuck this asshole, fuck the idiot that put him on this panel, and FUCK Gov Coumo. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:952268134] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>As the hero off-duty officer identified himself as a cop and reached for his gun to try to stop the robbery, Rivera shot him in the shoulder. Rivera then walked over to the officer as he lay helplessly wounded on the floor, pressed his gun to the cops head and blasted him again, authorities said.</quote>Why the fuck was this not a life sentence? This wasn't someone who didn't expect to need to use the gun freaking out, this is cold blooded murder. Fuck this asshole, fuck the idiot that put him on this panel, and FUCK Gov Coumo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AtelierRyza3462 03/30/21 2:28:57 AM #5:	Should be locked up still wtf --- Now Playing: Atelier Ryza 2 / Outer Worlds /// https://imgur.com/tNNXYaz https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeArmMVf/ / https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMeDNHwmu/ <cite>AtelierRyza3462 posted [p:952268166] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>Should be locked up still wtf </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 03/30/21 2:35:59 AM #6:	dude deserves the same fate as the cop that got killed <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:952268283] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>dude deserves the same fate as the cop that got killed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 03/30/21 2:38:37 AM #7:	Everyday I lose more and more faith in society. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:952268330] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>Everyday I lose more and more faith in society. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 03/30/21 4:37:54 AM #9:	Like, whats even the reasoning. What possible experience does he have for an advisory position. maybe if it was like a prison reform board or something but ignoring everything about this dumb ass decision it still doesnt make a lick of sense. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:952269867] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>Like, whats even the reasoning. What possible experience does he have for an advisory position. maybe if it was like a prison reform board or something but ignoring everything about this dumb ass decision it still doesnt make a lick of sense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/30/21 4:41:49 AM #10:	Zeeak4444 posted... Like, whats even the reasoning. What possible experience does he have for an advisory position. has since been working with a nonprofit helping to provide the homeless with shelter and food. He said his work with the upstate prison-reform committee mainly consists of surveying homeless people about how they may be criminalized just because they are on the streets or over their mental issues. "I feel that Im living my life in a way that I feel is for the betterment of the people around me, said Rivera who opined to Ithaca Week last month about his post-prison outreach work. "I live my life in a way that honors and respects [Officer Walshs] memory," the ex-con told The Post. "That is advocating for people who cant advocate for themselves --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:952269918] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted... </cite> <quote>Like, whats even the reasoning. What possible experience does he have for an advisory position.</quote> has since been working with a nonprofit helping to provide the homeless with shelter and food. He said his work with the upstate prison-reform committee mainly consists of surveying homeless people about how they may be criminalized just because they are on the streets or over their mental issues. "I feel that Im living my life in a way that I feel is for the betterment of the people around me, said Rivera who opined to Ithaca Week last month about his post-prison outreach work. "I live my life in a way that honors and respects [Officer Walshs] memory," the ex-con told The Post. "That is advocating for people who cant advocate for themselves </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 03/30/21 4:41:52 AM #11:	lol, cops should get a real job --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:952269923] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>lol, cops should get a real job </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 03/30/21 4:42:04 AM #12:	it's great that he seems to be reformed, but i'm not about to forgive anyone who executes somebody point blank, especially to get away with petty robbery. where's the justice in this guy moving on with his life, being on some committee, after murdering someone else and destroying their family? sometimes you have to ask, did the killer deserve this second chance at life after he decided the person he killed didn't even need one? --- It might be too soon to say this, but I think that we may just see the lights come on <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:952269927] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>it's great that he seems to be reformed, but i'm not about to forgive anyone who executes somebody point blank, especially to get away with petty robbery. where's the justice in this guy moving on with his life, being on some committee, after murdering someone else and destroying their family? sometimes you have to ask, did the killer deserve this second chance at life after he decided the person he killed didn't even need one? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/30/21 4:46:38 AM #13:	viewmaster_pi posted... it's great that he seems to be reformed, but i'm not about to forgive anyone who executes somebody point blank, especially to get away with petty robbery. where's the justice in this guy moving on with his life, being on some commitee, after murdering someone else and destroying their family. sometimes you have to ask, did the killer deserve this second chance at life after he decided the person he killed didn't even need one? You're confusing justice with vengeance The Justice is he served his time and is now working as as a productive member of society , helping others and preventing future crime Saying "Nah lets just kill him because that emotionally makes me feel happy." is not justice, its primitive emotion, hurts society and makes other criminals/potential criminals feel "Well why change or turn myself into the cops? People like viewmaster pi just want to murder me anyway " and then you get hardened violent criminals with nothing to lose. There is nothing anyone can do to bring the father back But working to help the homeless and become a good person is objectively pragmatically superior to ending more life because you're angry --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:952269986] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>it's great that he seems to be reformed, but i'm not about to forgive anyone who executes somebody point blank, especially to get away with petty robbery. where's the justice in this guy moving on with his life, being on some commitee, after murdering someone else and destroying their family. sometimes you have to ask, did the killer deserve this second chance at life after he decided the person he killed didn't even need one?</quote>You're confusing justice with vengeance The Justice is he served his time and is now working as as a productive member of society , helping others and preventing future crime Saying "Nah lets just kill him because that emotionally makes me feel happy." is not justice, its primitive emotion, hurts society and makes other criminals/potential criminals feel "Well why change or turn myself into the cops? People like viewmaster pi just want to murder me anyway " and then you get hardened violent criminals with nothing to lose. There is nothing anyone can do to bring the father back But working to help the homeless and become a good person is objectively pragmatically superior to ending more life because you're angry </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 03/30/21 4:54:18 AM #14:	i don't want anyone who had the capacity to straight up gears of war execute someone on the streets among civilized society, and i bet the family agrees. miss me with the bleeding heart shit, because your tune would change if it was your dad who died --- It might be too soon to say this, but I think that we may just see the lights come on <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:952270067] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>i don't want anyone who had the capacity to straight up gears of war execute someone on the streets among civilized society, and i bet the family agrees. miss me with the bleeding heart shit, because your tune would change if it was your dad who died </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 03/30/21 4:59:37 AM #15:	Seems like a pretty stupid idea for the optics alone. Especially considering how contentious this already is. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:952270128] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>Seems like a pretty stupid idea for the optics alone. Especially considering how contentious this already is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/30/21 5:00:01 AM #16:	viewmaster_pi posted... i don't want anyone who had the capacity to straight up gears of war execute someone on the streets among civilized society, Why not? and i bet the family agrees. It's almost like they might have a reason to not be pragmatic and act in unreasonable emotional ways or something Which is why we have a justice system in the first place. miss me with the bleeding heart shit, I didn't say a single world about sympathy or love or caring. Just pure logic and pragmatism. You were so quick to go to your generic copy paste justifications for being anti justice and anti Society that you ignored this fact because your tune would change if it was your dad who died "You might agree with being irrational and making awful decisions if you were severely emotionally compromised and had incredible bias in this case on a personal level!" really isnt the argument that you think it is I'm sure George Floyd's family think he did nothing wrong It says a lot that you ignored every point I made and every valid argument made just to peddle this fallacies There is no God, this life is all we have. Extinguishing life for no reason beyond how it makes you feel good is both wrong and a bad idea Solid Snake07 posted... Seems like a pretty stupid idea for the optics alone. Especially considering how contentious this already is. Yeah I agree This is going to upset people --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:952270134] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>i don't want anyone who had the capacity to straight up gears of war execute someone on the streets among civilized society,</quote> Why not? <quote>and i bet the family agrees.</quote> It's almost like they might have a reason to not be pragmatic and act in unreasonable emotional ways or something Which is why we have a justice system in the first place. <quote>miss me with the bleeding heart shit,</quote> I didn't say a single world about sympathy or love or caring. Just pure logic and pragmatism. You were so quick to go to your generic copy paste justifications for being anti justice and anti Society that you ignored this fact <quote>because your tune would change if it was your dad who died</quote> "You might agree with being irrational and making awful decisions if you were severely emotionally compromised and had incredible bias in this case on a personal level!" really isnt the argument that you think it is I'm sure George Floyd's family think he did nothing wrong It says a lot that you ignored every point I made and every valid argument made just to peddle this fallacies There is no God, this life is all we have. Extinguishing life for no reason beyond how it makes you feel good is both wrong and a bad idea Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Seems like a pretty stupid idea for the optics alone. Especially considering how contentious this already is.</quote>Yeah I agree This is going to upset people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Number090684 03/30/21 5:00:48 AM #17:	viewmaster_pi posted... i don't want anyone who had the capacity to straight up gears of war execute someone on the streets among civilized society, and i bet the family agrees. miss me with the bleeding heart shit, because your tune would change if it was your dad who died I agree to a extent, even though I believe in reform and second chances to a extent. If Rivera paid his debt to society, fine he's earned his freedom back, but at the same time he should not be in the position that he is in, and should resign or be fired immediately. <cite>Number090684 posted [p:952270139] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>i don't want anyone who had the capacity to straight up gears of war execute someone on the streets among civilized society, and i bet the family agrees. miss me with the bleeding heart shit, because your tune would change if it was your dad who died</quote> I agree to a extent, even though I believe in reform and second chances to a extent. If Rivera paid his debt to society, fine he's earned his freedom back, but at the same time he should not be in the position that he is in, and should resign or be fired immediately. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlmightyCheeks 03/30/21 5:02:21 AM #18:	East coast California at it again --- Gamertag: ALMIGHTY CHEEKS <cite>AlmightyCheeks posted [p:952270153] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>East coast California at it again </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 03/30/21 5:29:21 AM #19:	UnfairRepresent posted... Why not? lol ok just go back to posting your what-if scenarios --- It might be too soon to say this, but I think that we may just see the lights come on <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:952270516] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Why not?</quote>lol ok just go back to posting your what-if scenarios </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/30/21 5:34:21 AM #20:	Yeah I didn't think you had an answer either --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:952270577] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I didn't think you had an answer either </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiKuToTheMiGhtY 03/30/21 5:47:01 AM #21:	Whats next hiring a ........... No I am not giving them ideas that they will implement, I will not be part of the problem. This is a terrible choice and the family of the murdered officer was right to speak out against this. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:952270725] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>Whats next hiring a ........... No I am not giving them ideas that they will implement, I will not be part of the problem. This is a terrible choice and the family of the murdered officer was right to speak out against this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 03/30/21 6:01:56 AM #22:	UnfairRepresent posted... Yeah I didn't think you had an answer either i don't need to justify the stupid contrarian devil's advocate shit you pull with any serious answer regarding this subject. if you can't figure out why people wouldn't want a murderer back out on the streets, then good luck figuring it out --- It might be too soon to say this, but I think that we may just see the lights come on <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:952270887] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah I didn't think you had an answer either</quote>i don't need to justify the stupid contrarian devil's advocate shit you pull with any serious answer regarding this subject. if you can't figure out why people wouldn't want a murderer back out on the streets, then good luck figuring it out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadlyNinjaBees 03/30/21 6:04:02 AM #23:	Nothing about this seems like a good idea. The dude, despite his changes and whatnot, cannot say he's now a good person whilst putting himself forward in a capacity that hurts others and detracts from an important issue. That is NOT being a good human, that's being selfish all over again. --- Soi Disantra. <cite>DeadlyNinjaBees posted [p:952270913] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>Nothing about this seems like a good idea. The dude, despite his changes and whatnot, cannot say he's now a good person whilst putting himself forward in a capacity that hurts others and detracts from an important issue. That is NOT being a good human, that's being selfish all over again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/30/21 6:11:04 AM #24:	viewmaster_pi posted... i don't need to justify the stupid contrarian devil's advocate shit lol The "devils adovative shit" being that the unbiased (at least by intent) justice system used by every civilised society on Earth is superior to "Kill people out of vengeance because it makes me happy" You're not just wrong but a hypocrite, your indefensible, illogical , emotional, violent stance is the minority devils advocate one. viewmaster_pi posted... you can't figure out why people wouldn't want a murderer back out on the streets, No I can figure it out plenty Because they are irrational and emotional with no logic, as I said . The fact you can't explain yourself or counter any point raised beyond lying and getting angry just cements it DeadlyNinjaBees posted... Nothing about this seems like a good idea. The dude, despite his changes and whatnot, cannot say he's now a good person whilst putting himself forward in a capacity that hurts others and detracts from an important issue. That is NOT being a good human, that's being selfish all over again. I don't think its selfish or "not a good human" for him to accept a job He's got bills to pay and a family to feed I just think it's a mistake to offer this job to him You really can't be mad at Rivera for accepting the role. Be mad at the government --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:952271006] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>i don't need to justify the stupid contrarian devil's advocate shit</quote>lol The "devils adovative shit" being that the unbiased (at least by intent) justice system used by every civilised society on Earth is superior to "Kill people out of vengeance because it makes me happy" You're not just wrong but a hypocrite, your indefensible, illogical , emotional, violent stance is the minority devils advocate one. viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>you can't figure out why people wouldn't want a murderer back out on the streets,</quote>No I can figure it out plenty Because they are irrational and emotional with no logic, as I said . The fact you can't explain yourself or counter any point raised beyond lying and getting angry just cements it DeadlyNinjaBees posted... </cite> <quote>Nothing about this seems like a good idea. The dude, despite his changes and whatnot, cannot say he's now a good person whilst putting himself forward in a capacity that hurts others and detracts from an important issue. That is NOT being a good human, that's being selfish all over again.</quote>I don't think its selfish or "not a good human" for him to accept a job He's got bills to pay and a family to feed I just think it's a mistake to offer this job to him You really can't be mad at Rivera for accepting the role. Be mad at the government </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 03/30/21 6:12:50 AM #25:	UnfairRepresent posted... The Justice is he served his time and is now working as as a productive member of society , helping others and preventing future crime There is no fucking justice in executing a fucking cop gangland style, and then being allowed to tell cops they aren't doing their job right. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:952271027] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>The Justice is he served his time and is now working as as a productive member of society , helping others and preventing future crime</quote>There is no fucking justice in executing a fucking cop gangland style, and then being allowed to tell cops they aren't doing their job right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/30/21 6:19:02 AM #26:	Crazyman93 posted... There is no fucking justice in executing a fucking cop gangland style, and then being allowed to tell cops they aren't doing their job right. Pi wasn't commenting on the job,he was saying Rivera is not allowed to live. And if he Is alive he's not allowed to be in society Also I'd argue what job Rivera gets once he's a free man with the same opportunities as you, has nothing to do with justice. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:952271092] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>Crazyman93 posted... </cite> <quote>There is no fucking justice in executing a fucking cop gangland style, and then being allowed to tell cops they aren't doing their job right.</quote> Pi wasn't commenting on the job,he was saying Rivera is not allowed to live. And if he Is alive he's not allowed to be in society Also I'd argue what job Rivera gets once he's a free man with the same opportunities as you, has nothing to do with justice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 03/30/21 6:22:03 AM #27:	UnfairRepresent posted... Pi wasn't commenting on the job,he was saying Rivera is not allowed to live. And if he Is alive he's not allowed to be in society Also I'd argue what job Rivera gets once he's a free man with the same opportunities as you, has nothing to do with justice. Do we live in a society? --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:952271124] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> Pi wasn't commenting on the job,he was saying Rivera is not allowed to live. And if he Is alive he's not allowed to be in society Also I'd argue what job Rivera gets once he's a free man with the same opportunities as you, has nothing to do with justice. </quote> Do we live in a society?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 03/30/21 6:22:14 AM #28:	UnfairRepresent posted... Also I'd argue what job Rivera gets once he's a free man with the same opportunities as you, has nothing to do with justice. I'd argue that letting a man who can coldly execute a wounded man on the ground out of prison is a miscarriage of justice. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:952271125] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Also I'd argue what job Rivera gets once he's a free man with the same opportunities as you, has nothing to do with justice.</quote>I'd argue that letting a man who can coldly execute a wounded man on the ground out of prison is a miscarriage of justice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadlyNinjaBees 03/30/21 6:24:50 AM #29:	UnfairRepresent posted... I don't think its selfish or "not a good human" for him to accept a job He's got bills to pay and a family to feed I just think it's a mistake to offer this job to him You really can't be mad at Rivera for accepting the role. Be mad at the government Sometimes, there are opportunities you shouldn't take if you don't want to challenge people who don't deserved to be challenged. In this situation, his working in the background, supporting another person would be much less confronting for a LOT of people who don't need/deserve the challenge. Also, isn't a volunteer position? --- Soi Disantra. <cite>DeadlyNinjaBees posted [p:952271154] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think its selfish or "not a good human" for him to accept a job He's got bills to pay and a family to feed I just think it's a mistake to offer this job to him You really can't be mad at Rivera for accepting the role. Be mad at the government</quote>Sometimes, there are opportunities you shouldn't take if you don't want to challenge people who don't deserved to be challenged. In this situation, his working in the background, supporting another person would be much less confronting for a LOT of people who don't need/deserve the challenge. Also, isn't a volunteer position? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 03/30/21 6:31:16 AM #30:	There's a glass ceiling for murderers. Dude should step aside and make space for someone who won't detract from the cause. Im very much for rehabilitation, but if he truly cares about this cause he'll realize that he's better able to help it in other ways. The bulk of society isn't going to accept this. Right now he's just getting in the way. --- PSN: Jiek <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:952271250] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>There's a glass ceiling for murderers. Dude should step aside and make space for someone who won't detract from the cause. Im very much for rehabilitation, but if he truly cares about this cause he'll realize that he's better able to help it in other ways. The bulk of society isn't going to accept this. Right now he's just getting in the way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadlyNinjaBees 03/30/21 6:33:12 AM #31:	I have to say: I find it much easier letting murderers move on in life than I do sex offenders. I live across the road from a former murderer (nice dude! Digs a LOT of holes!) but if there was a pedo or a rapist in the neighbourhood, I'd lose my shit. --- Soi Disantra. <cite>DeadlyNinjaBees posted [p:952271284] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>I have to say: I find it much easier letting murderers move on in life than I do sex offenders. I live across the road from a former murderer (nice dude! Digs a LOT of holes!) but if there was a pedo or a rapist in the neighbourhood, I'd lose my shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/30/21 6:36:31 AM #32:	Crazyman93 posted... I'd argue that letting a man who can coldly execute a wounded man on the ground out of prison is a miscarriage of justice. Even if he has reformed ? I can see the argument but I'm not sure agree with it. There's no pragmatic benefit to keeping people who actively benefit society and have served a sentence locked up even through they are rehabilitated It's not what Jesus would do DeadlyNinjaBees posted... Sometimes, there are opportunities you shouldn't take if you don't want to challenge people who don't deserved to be challenged. In this situation, his working in the background, supporting another person would be much less confronting for a LOT of people who don't need/deserve the challenge. maybe But why is this the guy's fault? Jiek_Fafn posted... There's a glass ceiling for murderers. Dude should step aside and make space for someone who won't detract from the cause. Im very much for rehabilitation, but if he truly cares about this cause he'll realize that he's better able to help it in other ways. The bulk of society isn't going to accept this. Right now he's just getting in the way. Yeah right or wrong I'm pretty sure he's going to have to be forced to quit Otherwise people are just going to be furious --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:952271328] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>Crazyman93 posted... </cite> <quote>I'd argue that letting a man who can coldly execute a wounded man on the ground out of prison is a miscarriage of justice.</quote>Even if he has reformed ? I can see the argument but I'm not sure agree with it. There's no pragmatic benefit to keeping people who actively benefit society and have served a sentence locked up even through they are rehabilitated It's not what Jesus would do DeadlyNinjaBees posted... </cite> <quote>Sometimes, there are opportunities you shouldn't take if you don't want to challenge people who don't deserved to be challenged. In this situation, his working in the background, supporting another person would be much less confronting for a LOT of people who don't need/deserve the challenge.</quote>maybe But why is this the guy's fault? Jiek_Fafn posted... </cite> <quote>There's a glass ceiling for murderers. Dude should step aside and make space for someone who won't detract from the cause. Im very much for rehabilitation, but if he truly cares about this cause he'll realize that he's better able to help it in other ways. The bulk of society isn't going to accept this. Right now he's just getting in the way.</quote>Yeah right or wrong I'm pretty sure he's going to have to be forced to quit Otherwise people are just going to be furious </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 03/30/21 6:36:43 AM #33:	i'm not saying he shouldn't live, or saying he should be re-arrested or something, just questioning the initial sentence to begin with. i get that he's not the same person he was, but i think the least we can all agree on is that the cop killer being put on a board regarding police reformation of all things is grossly inappropriate --- It might be too soon to say this, but I think that we may just see the lights come on <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:952271333] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>i'm not saying he shouldn't live, or saying he should be re-arrested or something, just questioning the initial sentence to begin with. i get that he's not the same person he was, but i think the least we can all agree on is that the cop killer being put on a board regarding police reformation of all things is grossly inappropriate </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadlyNinjaBees 03/30/21 6:39:34 AM #34:	UnfairRepresent posted... But why is this the guy's fault? Because he made a decision that was a lifelong impact on others and also removed a life from existence. Therefore, he has a burden he palced upon himself that goes beyond reforming and enter into the territory of integrity and morality. He's married to that decision and there's no divorce option. And he owns that at his own expense. Which is a really small price to pay for having your life back after committing something like that. --- Soi Disantra. <cite>DeadlyNinjaBees posted [p:952271377] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>But why is this the guy's fault?</quote>Because he made a decision that was a lifelong impact on others and also removed a life from existence. Therefore, he has a burden he palced upon himself that goes beyond reforming and enter into the territory of integrity and morality. He's married to that decision and there's no divorce option. And he owns that at his own expense. Which is a really small price to pay for having your life back after committing something like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/30/21 6:41:21 AM #35:	viewmaster_pi posted... i'm not saying he shouldn't live, or saying he should be re-arrested or something, i don't want anyone who had the capacity to straight up gears of war execute someone on the streets among civilized society, where's the justice in this guy moving on with his life sometimes you have to ask, did the killer deserve this second chance at life Glad to see I changed your mind i think the least we can all agree on is that the cop killer being put on a board regarding police reformation of all things is grossly inappropriate Yeah, the optics alone is terrible --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:952271406] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>i'm not saying he shouldn't live, or saying he should be re-arrested or something, </quote> <quote>i don't want anyone who had the capacity to straight up gears of war execute someone on the streets among civilized society, where's the justice in this guy moving on with his life sometimes you have to ask, did the killer deserve this second chance at life </quote> Glad to see I changed your mind <quote>i think the least we can all agree on is that the cop killer being put on a board regarding police reformation of all things is grossly inappropriate</quote> Yeah, the optics alone is terrible </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/30/21 6:43:36 AM #36:	DeadlyNinjaBees posted... Because he made a decision that was a lifelong impact on others and also removed a life from existence. Therefore, he has a burden he palced upon himself that goes beyond reforming and enter into the territory of integrity and morality. He's married to that decision and there's no divorce option. And he owns that at his own expense. Which is a really small price to pay for having your life back after committing something like that. ok but If he is offered a job, surely that's on the offerer rather than him? If someone offered Cenk $1,000,000 for the job of distributing Armenian Genocide reparations, I wouldn't blame him for taking it I'd blame the guys who paid him --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:952271435] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>DeadlyNinjaBees posted... </cite> <quote>Because he made a decision that was a lifelong impact on others and also removed a life from existence. Therefore, he has a burden he palced upon himself that goes beyond reforming and enter into the territory of integrity and morality. He's married to that decision and there's no divorce option. And he owns that at his own expense. Which is a really small price to pay for having your life back after committing something like that.</quote>ok but If he is offered a job, surely that's on the offerer rather than him? If someone offered Cenk $1,000,000 for the job of distributing Armenian Genocide reparations, I wouldn't blame him for taking it I'd blame the guys who paid him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadlyNinjaBees 03/30/21 7:01:48 AM #37:	I can only answer from where I feel his morals should sit, but I also can't logically expect everyone to have the same values as me. That's where I'm ultimately at. --- Soi Disantra. <cite>DeadlyNinjaBees posted [p:952271700] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote>I can only answer from where I feel his morals should sit, but I also can't logically expect everyone to have the same values as me. That's where I'm ultimately at. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snip-N-Snails 04/01/21 3:00:39 AM #38:	"I live my life in a way that honors and respects [Officer Walshs] memory," the ex-con told The Post. "That is advocating for people who cant advocate for themselves." If he truly means this and isn't just saying this for the publicity then I can live with that. Although he should always still bear that guilt. --- #BLM <cite>Snip-N-Snails posted [p:952343034] in Cop killer... [t:79376773]...</cite> <quote><quote>"I live my life in a way that honors and respects [Officer Walshs] memory," the ex-con told The Post. "That is advocating for people who cant advocate for themselves."</quote> If he truly means this and isn't just saying this for the publicity then I can live with that. Although he should always still bear that guilt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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