Poll of the Day > Why does every show nowadays have to have a gay character?

(+) Yeah! (+)

1) It's easy to write a stereotypical gay and you can get away with it.
2) If you write a shitty gay character it's immune to criticism because representation.

Win freakin' win baby.

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Veedrock- posted...

1) It's easy to write a stereotypical gay and you can get away with it.
2) If you write a shitty gay character it's immune to criticism because representation.

Win freakin' win baby.

I've read a few gay reviewers criticize scripts over badly written gay characters and roll their eyes over stereotyping.

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see, this is what I think is bullshit. I got suspended for six months for telling somebody to eat something, clearly jokingly, in a topic where the topic creator would have completely understood this was a joke.

this guy has a sixty post topic about being a bigot. If this topic said why are there so many black people on tv?! Would have been deleted immediately. What is the difference?

MICHALECOLE posted...

see, this is what I think is bullshit. I got suspended for six months for telling somebody to eat something, clearly jokingly, in a topic where the topic creator would have completely understood this was a joke.

this guy has a sixty post topic about being a bigot. If this topic said why are there so many black people on tv?! Would have been deleted immediately. What is the difference?

this website isnt exactly run by smart people

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Firewerx posted...

I've read a few gay reviewers criticize scripts over badly written gay characters and roll their eyes over stereotyping.

Yeah. Stereotyping is a problem. They just need to write them like every other character. Theyre normally people who just like characters who are the same sex. They have some other problems like sometimes keeping their secret if theyre still in the closet or whatever. But they are still normal people. Like hanging out with friends, and normal people hobbies. People act like they are a totally different species sometimes...
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One of the things that also scratch my head is the hot chick banging the weird looking fat nerdy kid

DirtBasedSoap posted...

this website isnt exactly run by smart people

Banned

LinkPizza posted...

Yeah. Stereotyping is a problem. They just need to write them like every other character. Theyre normally people who just like characters who are the same sex. They have some other problems like sometimes keeping their secret if theyre still in the closet or whatever. But they are still normal people. Like hanging out with friends, and normal people hobbies. People act like they are a totally different species sometimes...

What do you think of Holt in Brooklyn Nine-Nine?

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MICHALECOLE posted...

see, this is what I think is bullshit. I got suspended for six months for telling somebody to eat something, clearly jokingly, in a topic where the topic creator would have completely understood this was a joke.

this guy has a sixty post topic about being a bigot. If this topic said why are there so many black people on tv?! Would have been deleted immediately. What is the difference?

I have not explicitly said anything that is anti gay.

I am just complaining about the insane amount of homosexuals in shows and movies where they have themes that arent homosexual or romantic at all, and also the fact that TV and movie producers of shoving their SJW agenda onto their content, and it can sometime ruin said content as well.

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thedeerzord posted...

I have not explicitly said anything that is anti gay.

I am just complaining about the insane amount of homosexuals in shows and movies where they have themes that arent homosexual or romantic at all, and also the fact that TV and movie producers of shoving their SJW agenda onto their content, and it can sometime ruin said content as well.

that's anti gay

bye bye!

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Firewerx posted...

What do you think of Holt in Brooklyn Nine-Nine?

I actually love Holt as a character!

thedeerzord posted...

I have not explicitly said anything that is anti gay.

I am just complaining about the insane amount of homosexuals in shows and movies where they have themes that arent homosexual or romantic at all, and also the fact that TV and movie producers of shoving their SJW agenda onto their content, and it can sometime ruin said content as well.

Like ReturnOfFa said, that's anti-gay in itself...
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Veedrock- posted...

1) It's easy to write a stereotypical gay and you can get away with it.
2) If you write a shitty gay character it's immune to criticism because representation.

Win freakin' win baby.

Ill criticize the hell out of a poorly written gay character (example, Kate Kane in the Batwoman TV show). But the problem isnt that shes openly gay, or that the storyline has to do with her being gay, thats not a reason in and of itself to criticize something. My issue with her is that the writers of the show kept having her do dumb shit that made no sense. Doesnt have anything to do with the fact that shes gay.

When your issue is simply with the subject matter of someone being gay you should probably ask yourself why that bothers you so much.

I should make it clear that my previous sentence wasnt specifically directed at you, but rather people who are bothered by gays in media in general.


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thedeerzord posted...

I am just complaining about the insane amount of homosexuals in shows and movies where they have themes that arent homosexual or romantic at all, and also the fact that TV and movie producers of shoving their SJW agenda onto their content, and it can sometime ruin said content as well.

If "gay people exist" is shoving an SJW agenda into fiction, then I've got some bad news for you about reality.

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thedeerzord posted...

Put these things in the content that it fits in, not in everything.

I agree. Same thing can be said about any romances, sex scenes and whatever. Putting them in just for shock value and/or to be inclusive where it's not needed seems obnoxious.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd2CBoZMO7U

AUNTIE GAY

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Actually, if tokenism were real there'd be more Furry Sheldons...

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

ted danson is carrying that show hard.

and he barely looks older than when he was on csi

I only know him from that other show, The Good Place

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Soup_or_Science posted...

I only know him from that other show, The Good Place

also cheers and becker
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I know him from Becker and The Good Place. I use to watch Becker when I was a kid. And I watched The Good Place more recently...
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I watched becker as a kid, and watched cheers last year. great show
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

also cheers and becker

Just looked up a pic

https://imgur.com/nM7OGLB

Wow, I didn't know he used to be young

But you're right, he doesn't really look all that different, just got grayer

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thedeerzord posted...

shove their liberal sjw agenda

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wwinterj25 posted...

I agree. Same thing can be said about any romances, sex scenes and whatever. Putting them in just for shock value and/or to be inclusive where it's not needed seems obnoxious.

Thank you!

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lol

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IronBornCorps posted...

Well he did say SJW.
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Homophobia is not cool, sir.

Mike Myers getting cancelled by proxy in real time

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MICHALECOLE posted...

I thought the scene in Endgame with the post vanishing support group was a pretty good example of normalizing gay relationships.

He talks about his date with another man and makes no efforts to hide that it was with another man. It just was. And the scene doesnt focus on it, it focuses on the vanishing.


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Muscles posted...

Tokenism sells

And before anyone calls me a bigot, I don't have an issue with minority characters in general, just the token characters that are only gay, or only black or only a woman etc. If you can't be a fully fleshed out character you shouldn't exist (outside parody and satire)

And yet these types of people never seem to have an issue when a half-baked character is white, and just say theyre a waste of time, instead of bringing their race into it

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PK_Spam posted...

And yet these types of people never seem to have an issue when a half-baked character is white, and just say theyre a waste of time, instead of bringing their race into it

The issue is 1 dimensional characters that usually just end up being stereotypes, dumb blondes that are just there to be hot and say stupid things are just as bad as other 1 dimensional stereotype characters

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Muscles posted...

The issue is 1 dimensional characters that usually just end up being stereotypes, dumb blondes that are just there to be hot and say stupid things are just as bad as other 1 dimensional stereotype characters

straight people deciding the most acceptable way to be gay hasnt worked out well for gay people historically i hope you realize

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ReturnOfFa posted...

that's anti gay

bye bye!

no it isn't

just because someone has no desire, or even an unfavorable reaction, to witness, see, or experience something that may come across to them as off putting, doesn't mean they look down upon those people in a "homophobic", "hateful", or "anti-gay" way

I mean just because i'm not into dudebutt or seeing guys make out and whatnot doesn't mean I'm anti-gay

o-O some queer people are actually a lot friendlier than your average straight so I mean, whatever

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It's baffling but not surprising that if you dare to even question the hive mind words like "bigot", "homophobic" and "racist" all get thrown around in the topic when that's not what's happening at all. If I saw a gay characters films and you had a token heterosexual guy thrown in the mix I'd be saying the same thing as I am now. Context is everything and not every walk of life must be included in everything.

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wwinterj25 posted...

It's baffling but not surprising that if you dare to even question the hive mind words like "bigot", "homophobic" and "racist" all get thrown around in the topic when that's not what's happening at all. If I saw a gay characters films and you had a token heterosexual guy thrown in the mix I'd be saying the same thing as I am now. Context is everything and not every walk of life must be included in everything.

That still doesnt really make much sense. Even in a gay story with mostly gay characters, if its set in the real world, a straight person being there shouldnt in and of itself bother someone, any more than someone with green eyes should. Gay people exist. Straight people exist. Theres no logical reason that they dont fit the context of anything.

Now if the character is poorly written then the complaint should be to write the character better, not to remove the character altogether. And the focus of criticism certainly shouldnt be on the fact that the character is gay or straight.

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The context thing is kind of weird also because not every character in a show or movie has to play a big part. If only important characters were in shows and movies, they would be pretty empty...
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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

That still doesnt really make much sense. Even in a gay story with mostly gay characters, if its set in the real world, a straight person being there shouldnt in and of itself bother someone, any more than someone with green eyes should. Gay people exist. Straight people exist. Theres no logical reason that they dont fit the context of anything.

I find it makes less sense to add token characters depending the story you're trying to tell. Just because something exists that doesn't mean it's required in everything. Again it's all about the context.

LinkPizza posted...

The context thing is kind of weird also because not every character in a show or movie has to play a big part. If only important characters were in shows and movies, they would be pretty empty...

Not really. If I'm telling a true to life story about a all girl school in the 1800's and wanted to highlight woman empowerment I don't want to be adding a token man just because they exist and while I'm at it adding a brand new, current time car in it because those exist now. The later even more so wouldn't make sense given the context of the film. This is a example I haven't given much thought however it makes the point that context is important to me. Otherwise it's out of place, awkward and eye rolling. Not everything needs to be all inclusive.

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IronBornCorps posted...

The new huniepop game let's you choose if a character has a dick, but doesn't show you their dick at all

That is a bigger outrage than inclusion if you ask me

wwinterj25 posted...

I find it makes less sense to add token characters depending the story you're trying to tell. Just because something exists that doesn't mean it's required in everything. Again it's all about the context.

Not really. If I'm telling a true to life story about a all girl school in the 1800's and wanted to highlight woman empowerment I don't want to be adding a token man just because they exist and while I'm at it adding a brand new, current time car in it because those exist now. The later even more so wouldn't make sense given the context of the film. This is a example I haven't given much thought however it makes the point that context is important to me. Otherwise it's out of place, awkward and eye rolling. Not everything needs to be all inclusive.

Very few of the things people are complaining about are actually attempting to be all inclusive. What Im referring to is a modern setting or future setting where there happens to be a gay person, or a black person or even a same sex romantic subplot. That in and of itself shouldnt bother someone. If thats the issue it seems a lot more like wanting to exclude things simply because someone is personally tired of them or uncomfortable with them, not because they dont fit some sort of thematic context.

I mean even in your examples, no one would do the car thing in a period piece. But we all know gay people were around in previous eras even if they were hiding it depending on the time period. And an all girls school with no guys in it at all would make sense if the film never ventured off of school grounds. Otherwise its not out of context at all for a random straight guy to be in it, even if only for a minute. And in that context people dont even bat an eye. People are sensitive to the gay thing for other reasons that many choose not to admit.

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ReggieTheReckless posted...

The new huniepop game let's you choose if a character has a dick, but doesn't show you their dick at all

That is a bigger outrage than inclusion if you ask me

now that's just wrong

it's a hentai game right? what's the point then?

All I'm saying is SOMEBODY has to have a dick

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Because they can't put them in movies, because China won't watch them.

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ChaoticKnuckles posted...

Very few of the things people are complaining about are actually attempting to be all inclusive. What Im referring to is a modern setting or future setting where there happens to be a gay person, or a black person or even a same sex romantic subplot. That in and of itself shouldnt bother someone. If thats the issue it seems a lot more like wanting to exclude things simply because someone is personally tired of them or uncomfortable with them, not because they dont fit some sort of thematic context.

Sure. Some folk tend to let own feelings drive a narrative that isn't the case. As I said if it fits the context I'm fine with whatever. If it's shoved in for the sake of it it's not for me. I watch soaps so have no problem with real life walks of life been represented on TV in the right context. With that said they too are guilty of just putting in characters just because they feel they need it rather than actually covering the walk of life in a serious way. Thankfully they do handle sensitive issues well too at times.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Not really. If I'm telling a true to life story about a all girl school in the 1800's and wanted to highlight woman empowerment I don't want to be adding a token man just because they exist and while I'm at it adding a brand new, current time car in it because those exist now. The later even more so wouldn't make sense given the context of the film. This is a example I haven't given much thought however it makes the point that context is important to me. Otherwise it's out of place, awkward and eye rolling. Not everything needs to be all inclusive.

Well, the brand new car wouldn't exist is the past. But gay people have always existed. So, bringing something that didn't exist into a different time period is a whole different thing. But in this all girls school, you probably have teachers. Some may not be important to the story, but it would still make sense if one was in the classroom with the students. That's what I'm talking about. They aren't important to the story, but it would be kind of weird if they were always in an empty classroom because the non-important teacher were never there since they didn't add anything to the story. I don't see the problem with side characters who add nothing, because that's just how life is... I'd rather have things inclusive and trying to make a difference then trying to shove it in the corner because it makes people feel uncomfortable... Not only that, but there can always be subplots. Lots of show have them. romantic ones, too. Why not have a gay romantic subplot?

ReggieTheReckless posted...

The new huniepop game let's you choose if a character has a dick, but doesn't show you their dick at all

That is a bigger outrage than inclusion if you ask me

Like cyberpunk. I can only seem to see my dick during the pause menu when I take my pant off...
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LinkPizza posted...

They aren't important to the story

Bingo. The same can be said for any forced romance. Token characters irk me.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Bingo. The same can be said for any forced romance. Token characters irk me.

Not me. I'm usually fine with whoever... Mainly since it's not my show...
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LinkPizza posted...

Not me. I'm usually fine with whoever... Mainly since it's not my show...

I'd watch your show. It would be interesting.

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the gay guy in the mayor seems to just be a stereotype so far
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I cant believe how hard this board is biting on this D tier troll bait lol

oh wait I definitely can believe it

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