Current Events > Why are pitbulls not banned.

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Taharqa_ posted...

Because breed bans are an intellectually lazy band-aid that does nothing to reduce address the real issue, and that is irresponsible dog ownership.

Pit bulls have an "on" and "off" switch. When that switch is "on" that is when they start attacking. Sure, a bad owner might increase the chances of that "on" switch being activated. But good ownership does not make it 0%. You can have a very well-trained Pitbull and it will still have a small probability of going off on someone.

deathpainter posted...

Chunkey Simmons posted...

A lot of people say that about pitbulls too, that you can train them to be good and they will never be bad again - but that simply isn't true. 99% of the time pitbulls are all right, but that 1% can happen where an unprovoked attack occurs. It can happen with even the most well-trained pitbulls. I'm not sure about German shepherds though

Edit: I know someone is going to say "1% is not that bad" but It can be deadly, even if it does only happen in 1% of the time. Pitbulls can literally kill people. If you think you can fight a pitbull, you are absolutely mistaken.

But its not even 1%. In 2018 twenty-five people were killed by pit bulls. At the same time, there were over four million pitbulls in the US. So that year .00000625% of pitbulls killed someone. Pretty far cry from even a full 1%.

Do you have a source for that? With that said I do appreciate the information. Are you on my side? Or are you against what I am stating?

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Because theyre insanely sweet and nice dogs. Dont punish the dog for bad owners.

Common misconception that a perfect pit bull owner means the dog will never go off at all
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Chunkey Simmons posted...

Do you have a source for that? With that said I do appreciate the information. Are you on my side? Or are you against what I am stating?

Fully against.

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deathpainter posted...

Chunkey Simmons posted...

Do you have a source for that? With that said I do appreciate the information. Are you on my side? Or are you against what I am stating?

Fully against.

That's weird, because you confirmed that pitbulls do go off, whether it's 1% or less.
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Wow, CE really does have like a monthly pit bull topic.

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Chunkey Simmons posted...

That's weird, because you confirmed that pitbulls do go off, whether it's 1% or less.

Substantially less. And every single animal in the world can "go off." banning a breed that millions of people have loved and had zero issues with over such an absurdly low chance of death is a massive over reaction.

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Pit Bull will be at the Daytona 500 next week

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im still like 99% sure pitbull topics are esoteric attempts at racism

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PoundGarden posted...

True, but whats the more realistic approach: ban dangerous thing, or hope the kind of irresponsible piece of shit that needs to be told dangerous thing is dangerous and needs training magically wises up?
You can't fix or train stupid people, they are not only comfortable being stupid pieces of shit, they delight in it. The kind of owner that gives pits a bad name give exactly zero fucks about educating themselves or anyone else, their dogs/the breed, or what other people think.
Sucks for the responsible pit owners, but something needs to be done. I'd meet in the middle and be OK with people needing a not at all cheap special license, taxes, and training/demonstrating competence in owning a large powerful breed.

Irresponsible owners and unscrupulous breeders just move on to the next breed, and the next. Banning is a waste of money and does not solve the issue of human responsibility.

Effective legislation and tactics for any dog ownership includes

1. The most basic of care (proper diet, veterinary care, training and socialization)
2. Following leash laws and not allowing dogs to just be resident animals (i.e stuck in the back yard with little exercise and socialization). Family dogs that are kept in and around the family unit learn appropriate behavior by interacting with family and other members of the "pack" in positive ways. This is different from having a resident dog that is isolated all the time, and then people wonder why it reacts with fear aggression all the time.
3. Keep track of owners of dogs that have one or more injurious bites and fail to keep their animals contained. Owners would be subject to serious penalties if their negligence caused someone to become injured from ignoring leash laws allowing dogs to roam freely and behaving in a menacing manner. Penalties also should be included in cases of animal cruelty and neglect since these are also factors.
4. Focus on dog bite prevention and education. Target high risk human behavior in order to reduce growling, snarling, and biting behavior. There are reasons why dogs do what they do. They may be reacting with fear or defensive aggression, resource guarding, offensive aggression (which isn't as common against humans as it is with other animals). Proper education and supervised interaction with children is a must.
5. Spay and neuter animals that are not part of purebred breeding programs. Not only would it cut down on the dog overpopulation it would also put a pause on backyard breeding. I would take it a step further and say that any breeder that wants to breed should health test their animals and at least have a passing mark on the Canine Good Citizenship (CGC) test.

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Chunkey Simmons posted...

Pit bulls have an "on" and "off" switch. When that switch is "on" that is when they start attacking. Sure, a bad owner might increase the chances of that "on" switch being activated. But good ownership does not make it 0%. You can have a very well-trained Pitbull and it will still have a small probability of going off on someone.

Pit Bulls(real American Pit Bull Terriers) should not show any human aggression. Man biters were often culled (killed) from breeding programs because it was dangerous to have a dog that would turn and bite someone in the middle of a dog fight. Dog and animal aggression is to be expected since they are of bulldog and terrier ancestry.

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

im still like 99% sure pitbull topics are esoteric attempts at racism

Absolutely. 99% is generous
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